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Update on NA Game Servers

Riot Noc New PortraitOn August 25, the NA game servers are moving to Chicago, IL. We anticipate zero downtime. However, ranked will be disabled from approximately 5:00am PDT to 12:00pm PDT (noon). The migration will take several hours and, until it’s complete some games will still be played on the old servers, so you may not immediately see a change in your ping. You may also bounce between Chicago and the old servers from game to game until the migration is complete. Read more about the server move here: http://riot.com/1E3AYXO

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[ Taylor Meabon ] What’s your position on have 5 bans, maybe even 1 for each player? Its kind of frustrating to have none of your own input when 1 of 5 random people gets to ban 3. Also I think the champion pool is big enough to justify more bans?‎  

Ghostcrawler New PortraitTimely question. We have had a few meetings on this topic lately. Would be interested in community feedback right now on what problems you think the existing system has and your opinions about the right way to fix.

(Also specify if you’re talking about pro play or non-pro ranked play. We don’t strictly have to use the same system for both.)

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THORNMAIL CHANGES IN 516 AND RUBY SIGHSTONE IDEAS

Here are the changes to Thornmail that will hit live with Patch 5.16:

 

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  • UNIQUE Passive now reflects 15% of damage + 25% of the user’s bonus Armor, changed from 30% of damage

 

 

Can Thornmails passive trigger off all sources of physical damage

Repertoir New PortraitIf Thornmail comes out next patch and is too weak, it seems like the better approach to take would be to make it better at what it’s supposed to be good at rather than just making it good against all physical damage. It doesn’t really seem right that we should just make it really good against all physical damage. If we need an item that allows tanks and other frontliners to properly deal with Riven, we should make that item, rather than trying to balance an item with a largely different ideal case around also being able to do that.

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What if Thornmail applied Grievous Wounds to enemies hitting the player

Repertoir New PortraitWe had something very close to this on Thornmail for awhile internally, but I believe it resulted in a question of what options auto attackers even have then if Thornmail not only damages them significantly, but also halves their Lifesteal.

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What if Ruby Sighstone granted 20 CDR on item actives

Repertoir New PortraitWhat’s the intended outcome of this change? That Ruby Sightstone becomes generally more desirable to upgrade to? Or is it more that Ruby Sightstone feels better to upgrade to for a support when they manage to go full build?

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It doesnt feel good to upgrade Sighstone lategame even if its gold efficient

Repertoir New PortraitCool. Thanks for the interesting thread, Saixos. Sounds like people are maybe wanting more of an interesting transformative element when upgrading Sightstone. From what I’ve read, players seem okay with upgrading it late in the game, but even then, it’s mostly just because you can, and not that it feels good to do so.

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IMMOBILE MAGES STATE OF LEBLANC VAYNE ZYRA SION

 

Immobile mages should be updated in the same style as Juggernauts

Scruffy Final PortraitImmobile mages definitely need the same treatment as what we’re doing for the juggernauts. Not because “buffs” (those can happen at any time), but because they really need true uniqueness from champ to champ.

If you asked the question “I’m a champ that brings a bunch of aoe spell damage and some CC, who am I?” you could answer Velkoz, Zyra, Syndra, Brand, Cass, Malzahar, and ziggs. Ideally we could find what makes these champs unique and sharpen it enough so that the reason you would bring those champs to your team isn’t just whoever has the highest numbers.

As for the buffs that you’re asking for, I’ll have to run it by the live balance team and they can better speak to if any of them are in an underpowered state.

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Will Swain also be part of this update

Scruffy Final PortraitHe might need a bit more than some uniqueness sharpening.

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Why is the balance team not considering nerfs for Vayne

[ Note ] There’s been some recent community feedback on Vayne’s early game being too strong. The posts from Repertoir are a continuation of those threads.

Repertoir New PortraitWhere did we say this? Just talking around the office, that’s really not the impression I get. If you had said, “The fact that Vayne isn’t getting nerfed in 5.16 is sad really,” then that’s more reasonable. I can assure that in the last few days I’ve had several conversations about Vayne that weren’t just on the boards.

Is she getting changes in 5.16? No. However, that doesn’t necessarily mean we aren’t aware of the community sentiment on the subject.

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Meddler stated a month ago that Vayne is in a fine spot balance wise

[ Note ] You can find Meddler’s comment HERE.

Repertoir New PortraitOr at least she was about a month ago, but a lot can change in a month. I suppose I should just ask him in person!

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Do you think Ryze is in a good state currently

Scruffy Final PortraitOne of the big issues that Ryze has currently that makes him feel weak is that for the “100 games played, master tier ryze player” he is actually very very strong, but for the average/majority of players that isn’t the case.

We’re slowly working on some changes that will hopefully shorten the gap in success between an insanely top tier ryze player and everyone else. Probably still a few patches out though.

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Whatre your thoughts on LeBlancs current state

Repertoir New PortraitShe may have been overnerfed, and I believe there are W speed adjustments in on 5.16 PBE at the moment.

That said, she historically falls into that Azir, Ryze, Kassadin, etc. category of champions that is balanced for higher levels of play when their solo queue win rate is in the ~45% range. This isn’t to say that any of these champions must be weak; it’s more that their performance dramatically increases with skill level and/or player experience, to the point that if they were balanced around a 50% win rate for all players, they would be 56/57%+ for experienced/skilled players. Most recently, we saw this on Ryze, whose experienced win rate jumped up above 60% by some measure despite being ~50% in solo queue at average elos.

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Are you planning on reworking LeBlanc

Repertoir New PortraitThere’s currently no rework planned that I know of.

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Zyra is a poke support who needs gold to function and sees zero pro play

Repertoir New PortraitWe actually generally agree with this assessment, and I believe we’re currently looking into what we may be able to do to help Zyra out. I’m not sure if it’s going to come right away, and it’s not likely to be a large scale change, but she should get some attention nonetheless.

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How do you feel about Sions current state

Scruffy Final PortraitPersonal opinions INC but here’s my 2c:

  • Numerically he seems balanced, reasonable win rates on our data and all of the external sites like OP.GG etc
  • As most sion players (myself included) prefer top sion over jungle, there may be room for a slight power shift towards top sion rather than jungle
  • The W 2->3s delay nerf was warranted in terms of power, but the feels hit was probably not ideal. Maybe there’s a power neutral change that we can do to shorten that delay some without buffing him

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Does this mean Sion players will be forced to lane top instead of jungling

Scruffy Final PortraitNot at all what I mean. Sion jungle is stronger than Sion top statistically, so I was just saying there may be room for top love. I DEFINITELY wouldn’t want that at the cost of his jungle viability.

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Why was Lee Sins rework scrapped due to player feedback but Mordes isnt

Scruffy Final PortraitI wasn’t personally involved with the lee sin changes back then (not a ‘rework’ really just some live design tweaking), but I can give you my opinion for what it’s worth.

I actually think the community outcry then was totally legitimate and called us out on what would have been changes that would have pushed out some of the core late game functions that lee sin players actually liked and aren’t unhealthy for the game. For context the changes would have made lee sin more of an attack speed dmg carry late game rather than a pick focused tank like he his now. This is the type of feedback/response that I am glad that we are doing.

There have been a few other threads with some more in depth Morde discussion, but I can repeat/bring the discussion here. We have heard the feedback on morde and are both reacting to some of it before release and planning for possible future changes if things don’t turn out exactly as we hope when he goes live. The big asks I’ve been seeing for morde are about his solo lane viability, and we are aiming to not hurt his play there while also adding a very new and interesting option for him to play bot lane. Once morde goes live, we will be listening to the feedback from top, mid, and bot lane morde players and reacting with whatever changes are appropriate.

Some of the other comments you have about us “picking sides” or “changing the whole game around lee sin” must be a deeper level of conspiracy than what we even know ourselves. The strategy the balance/systems team has been taking on creating/improving jungle diversity isn’t centered around lee sin but rather the champion pool as a whole. Things like Cinderhulk and Devourer are general changes to support other jungle characters that don’t really have anything to do with lee sin’s balance.

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Why werent the changes to Cassiopeia Veigar Zilean reverted then

Scruffy Final PortraitI saw a good comment earlier in this thread about how the important thing isn’t about being right 100% of the time. Instead it’s about having a consistent mindset/approach.

So admittedly some reworks and balance changes don’t turn out as good as others. That doesn’t mean that we are or should be taking a different approach or use different values for each individual champion. The changes made to the three champions you listed were consistent with the same design values that we apply to all champs in league.

That said, I know we’re not satisfied if cass, veigar, zil players aren’t so I’m sure that we will continue to iterate on those champs and keep improving them in the future.

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Riot have released an official tech blog where they’ll share more under-the-hood aspects of updating League:


Hello, world! What a long, strange trip it’s been. Some things have held constant since the beginning of Riot engineering: we still hold the player experience above all else, we still focus on constantly improving ourselves and our technology, and we still love to play games. But other things have dramatically changed for our team: we no longer fit in 500 square-feet, we now serve players all over the world, and supporting 1,000 concurrent players is no longer our biggest challenge. At the beginning of this journey, we couldn’t have imagined the challenges that’d arise from the scale we face today, and that influence everything from the technology we create to how we shape a player-focused engineering team.

I’m excited to introduce Riot’s new tech blog where we’ll discuss engineering topics along the breadth of these challenges. League of Legends players have given us the awesome opportunity to tackle these problems, and we’ve learned a ton that we’d like to discuss. Our goal is to share with you, the engineering community, our journey developing technology while we learn from your questions and comments.

What you won’t find here is a discussion of technology for technology’s sake. Rather, what’s important is how and why we wield technology to ship value to players. In fact, Riot isn’t a technology company, which might sound odd in the context of announcing a tech blog: Riot’s a product company. We believe the only path to success is a focus on players, which means a focus on products.

A focus on products is why we’re not only building League of Legends, but also new games, esports experiences, a merchandise store, creative ventures, big data pipelines, and more. Our engineers create the technology for those products to succeed in delighting players. As players ourselves, we know the joy of truly great game experiences, and we’re dedicated to creating new ones.

We plan to discuss facets of our engineering challenges that we hope will resonate with the community. To release content at will, our teams must move quickly and own their work end-to-end; to support that need we’re developing private cloud infrastructure and working to evolve our continuous delivery platform. With our desire to make data-informed decisions, we’ve invested in our Insights Tech team and their work building out our global data pipeline to analyze petabytes of game data. In our quest to continually improve the LoL player experience, we’ve implemented machine-learning algorithms to better understand how players interact with our game, both positively and negatively. To maintain the highest level of availability of Riot’s game and web properties, we’ve placed them atop tech stacks comprised of both our own work and invaluable open-source technologies we couldn’t live without. And, in the constant battle to stay ahead of malicious attacks, we’re supporting our security team and their efforts running a bug bounty program, developing security tools, reviewing Riot code, and educating Riot engineers on cutting-edge trends and best practices.

Riot engineers from teams around the world look forward to sharing stories related to the topics mentioned here, among many others. This blog is our chance to engage with you and we want to focus on quality content and the dialogue that follows.

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Why are you buffing Zed again

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Repertoir New PortraitI didn’t do these change, but if Juggernauts release on the strong side, Zed’s going to need the buffs. Those guys just wreck him.

Honestly, I don’t know if there’s anything sadder for Zed than being the Villain.

Edit: this was a bad joke on my part. Zed getting buffs has nothing to do with Juggernauts. He should be weak against Juggernauts. He should be strong against squishies. And I should re-read posts before pressing Save so that I don’t give people the wrong impression as to why he (or any other character) might be getting changes.

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If you buff Zed hell be even stronger against immobile mages

Repertoir New PortraitAren’t the proposed buffs to Zed to reduce the blink-back time on R with rank? This seems like a pretty sound approach to me, tbh. .75 and .5 seconds are long enough in the early and mid-game for a single defender to hit some cc on him when he comes in, and though .25 seconds is pretty short, there should be teammates around to help then.

At the end of the day, Zed is probably supposed to be pretty strong against immobile skillshot mages, similar to how juggernauts are supposed to be strong against him.

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Repertoir New PortraitThe juggernaut reworks aren’t at all being released to help counter Zed. My apologies if that’s the impression I gave.

As an assassin, Zed should be strong against squishy targets. They should have a fair chance to defend themselves (especially early in the game), but the upper hand should probably be his.

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Light buffs to mobile assassins in 5 16

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re putting a bit of power back into Zed and Le Blanc in 5.16, in both cases partial reversions of the previous nerfs, they got hit harder than intended.

5.16 also includes an overall nerf to Ahri’s passive (same healing at level 1 and level 16, less healing at the levels in between though).

Fizz we’re still talking about. He’s a possible candidate for work in 5.17, depends in part on how 5.16 goes though and how the state of the game does or doesn’t change.

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Riot there are 126 Champions and 6 bans We need 5 bans per side

Repertoir New PortraitThough I personally don’t know why the ban count is three instead of 4 or 5 or even 2, what has actually changed recently that would make it so that you now need 2 additional bans per team? I could see the size of the roster growing being a reason, but it’s really not THAT much larger than it was at the beginning of the year.


I actually think that having another ban or two could be cool, but mostly for reasons that are due to my own personal preference, and not necessarily because I think it makes the ranked play system any better. Even in the example you provided above, assuming those champions are ban worthy, the two captains could still only ban 10 of those 13 champions, and there would still be 3 left over. And of course, there would be all the champions that every other player in the game thinks are ban worthy that did not get banned, so it’s hard to tell in that case if we’d really be any better off. One thing that would be especially painful about having 4 more total bans during the ban phase is how much longer each Draft Queue game would take. It may not sound like a big deal, but champion select already seems to drag on an eternity sometimes. I guess at the end of the day, I’m not really sure if we’d better or worse off with more bans.

Maybe a different ban system entirely would be cool, like one where everyone in the game gets to ban 1 champion in the first thirty seconds or something. That would be faster, though it would come at the cost of ban overlap or team miscommunication getting a team off to an unfriendly start. Maybe ranked 5s and competitive play should be using a different system than solo queue; not sure entirely.

We were talking internally about some adjustments to the draft phase of champ select about a year ago, but I’m not sure any particular idea stuck out as the right solution. It’s probably something worth exploring some more, since it is a part of every draft queue game we play.

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This is not a new problem its just more relevant with the growing Champ pool

Repertoir New PortraitYeah, I didn’t mean to suggest necessarily that this is a new problem this year. With that comment, I more meant to suggest to ask OP why the need was so dire now as opposed to before.

I definitely agree that it would be great if the draft system was better suited for building out team comps better as a team and banning out stuff that threatened it rather than just banning the fotms.

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Skarners passive is lackluster and is a bunch of extra work for sub par rewards

Repertoir New PortraitAbout it being lackluster, that’s certainly not the intention. If the reward just isn’t there, that is something that can be easily addressed. If it’s that they’re tedious, maybe the channel time is too long or some of them are just too far out of the way to be useful.

 

As per your suggestion, one of the things I actually think is really important to them is their static positions. It gives Skarner players, teammates, and opponents an expectation as to how they’re going to play about them in any given game. This is important to me because, even following these changes, we aren’t aiming to have Skarner be extremely popular and in every game. We’re okay with his niche appeal, and we just wanted to give a little more uniqueness to the games he’s in, as well as another point of mastery for Skarner players. Whether good or bad, his ultimate really isn’t that unique anymore, and it can’t really be made much more powerful, so we looked elsewhere.

I think another thing that seems tedious about them is that players feel like they should be trying to control them all whenever possible, and that’s really not the intention. Played optimally, Skarner should try to control the ones he thinks he’ll need in the next minute or two, or maybe stop to cap one over when he’s nearby. There’s no bonus for holding all of them, so I don’t really want Skarner players making the choice to go activate a crystal in the enemy jungle when there’s a lane that needs ganking or something, unless maybe taking that crystal helps them steal a buff or do some counterjungling.

I hope this helps to explain some of the reasoning behind the goals for his passive, even if it’s not exactly what you wanted to hear.

As a follow-up, if you want to continue to help me understand what makes them ‘lackluster and a bunch of extra work for a sub-par reward,’ I’m happy to talk about it. Though some things are probably set in stone for the upcoming patch, that doesn’t mean everything is, and it doesn’t mean that I won’t be doing follow-up work on Skarner if he falls short in unintended areas.

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Will you be pulled to another project like Stashu was with Cassiopeias rework

Repertoir New PortraitI am not my own manager, but I also do think I am capable of making positive change with the right effort and focus. You guys probably remember that Ashe got an update earlier this year? That was just an extra thing that I picked up on the side and then put together with the Champion Update team’s help, and I think it went really well.

For me, I don’t usually find that one project is enough to keep me occupied, so I like having follow-up or other stuff to work on on the side.

If a few months down the road, you think there’s follow-up that I’ve ignored or forgotten, please do hold me accountable to at least letting you know what’s up. Worst case, I’ll hopefully just be able to let you guys know what’s up, even if the decision isn’t what you want to hear. Leaving you hanging wouldn’t be cool, though.

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Arent the crystals on the enemy side just 30 free gold for the enemy jungler

Repertoir New PortraitThe crystals on the enemy side of the map start on their team, and they can’t get any gold from them unless they capture them. Technically, if you never went into the enemy jungle and left those crystals alone the whole game, they would never swap over to your team, and thus never present the chance for opponents to ever capture them for the small gold reward.

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Its tedious having to run back and recapture crystals that an enemy has capped

Repertoir New PortraitI think that feeling of being compelled to reclaim it in all cases will go away after a few plays, and you’ll just focus on the ones that are going to help you in the foreseeable future. Additionally, even in the case that someone takes a crystal from you, you do get information as to there whereabouts if you’re paying attention, so it’s not all a loss.

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Why is Skarner labeled a Juggernaut when his gameplay doesnt reflect that

Repertoir New PortraitWe actually agree that Skarner is probably the odd one out amongst the four releases coming up, but we’re actually okay with that. He’s more about CC than the others, and probably less about damage overall, but we don’t think it’s absolutely necessary that there be a single damage profile that these guys all adhere to.

Skarner will probably function full time as some kind of off tank guy, while being a full on Juggernaut damage threat while under the effects of his passive.

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How would Skarner compete for objective control with Nunu

Repertoir New PortraitGood question. I’m on my phone more so I won’t be too wordy.

First, we don’t actually consider Nunu to be in the same class as Skarner, in that Skarner is intended to be more of a damage presence than Nunu.

If you wanted objective control, but needed damage still, I’d expect skarner to be a better choice. Also, Nunu controls objectives primarily through his secure combo, whereas Skarner through fight presence and power around the objectives.

Less relevant, but still interesting, Skarner’s Impale will prevent Nunu from Smiling or Consuming, so he can actually shut that down if played well.

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DISCUSSION ON GARENS REWORK

 

The community was promised that Garens silence would remain the same

Repertoir New PortraitFrom what I understand, any messaging about Garen’s update said his Silence would still be there, not necessarily that it would go untouched in any way, shape, or form. Can you show me where we said that? Because that seems like a big goof up on our end if that’s the case. So, on that topic, yeah, no one should have promised that :(

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If Garens silence is a problem why does ChoGath have 3 forms of CC

Repertoir New PortraitThough historically we haven’t made many efforts to differentiate between tanks like Cho’Gath and tanky guys like Garen, we’re trying to establish that differentiation to some extent. Though we haven’t really investigated Cho’Gath directly yet, he falls much more toward the general idea of what a tank is. Durable, heavy crowd control, and low sustained damage (though his sustained damage may be too high for this to be true).

Garen, on the other hand, is being pushed toward a much higher sustained damage pattern than he’s ever had in the past, to the point that we’re classifying him as a carry. I think we can probably agree that carries shouldn’t have a high level of crowd control, though it doesn’t necessarily follow that a 2.5 second silence is a ‘high level of crowd control.’ Maybe Cho does too much damage for a tank or is unfair in some other way (like his silence duration), but it’s probably not the best idea to reduce Cho’s silence duration because we’re reducing Garen’s, and it’s also probably not the best idea to think we have to leave Garen’s silence alone because there are other characters whose silences are longer.

I will say this about the duration reduction on Garen’s silence. I lowered it to a duration that felt fair given the higher damage the character will now do. Is 1.5 seconds too low? Possibly, but it definitely wasn’t reduced because Riot doesn’t like silence. With his upcoming changes, we’re trying to put him in a spot where he can be seen as a real threat, and less of a guy whose usefulness falls off dramatically as the game goes on. If we’re not hitting that mark after his release, I’ll try to calibrate upward.

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Why did you revert Courage W back to a stacking resist buff

Repertoir New PortraitThis update aims to increase Garen’s affinity for Health items, and flat resistances are a good way to do that. Maybe this just reads as a nerf or something, but in almost all cases, it’s just not. I sure don’t think ‘scaling/stacking benefits are toxic,’ and if that was formerly our stance, we have changed a lot in the past few years, and the game has too. Overall, he should not be squishier, except in the case of full tank builds.


As to ‘complete and utter gutting,’ that seems to imply the character is going to fall to a sub 45% win rate or something. With the changes going in, I’d be truly surprised if it was closer to 45% than 55%. I could be wrong here, but we’re definitely not aiming for a gutting, or even a nerf at all. If he comes out and proves to be weak, I’ll be happy to admit we missed the mark on him, and buff him up a bit, probably in places where we took some stuff away.

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Repertoir New PortraitI really do want to make his W active more interesting in the future, if I get a chance to come back to it and power permits.

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Isnt the point of Juggernauts that theyre rewarded for closing the gap

Repertoir New PortraitThey should indeed be rewarded for getting on top of a target, and in most cases following the update, I’d expect a late game Garen to easily kill a late game Vayne in a 1.5 second silence if he manages to close the gap and get a silence off on her.

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Is the silence nerf aimed at reducing Garens lane presence

Repertoir New PortraitLane silence isn’t actually really an issue at all. It’s still the same at rank 1, after all.

This discussion does seem to keep coming back to some players saying “trust us, his silence duration needs to be what it’s always been” and me saying “trust me, I don’t think it does anymore when he does more damage.”


I understand that that’s an uncomfortable situation for you guys to be in, and I don’t mind talking having the discussion really. Since Garen went on PBE about a week ago, there were some changes that, following discussion with you guys, didn’t seem like the right changes, and I tweaked some and reverted others. That said, there are some changes that I think are important for hitting the goals of his changes, like being more about damage in the late game, and less about his silence.

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You want Garen to be a Juggernaut but it seems hell be played as an assassin

Repertoir New PortraitThough he will now do a lot of damage to a target, Garen lacks the mobility profile and target selection of a real assassin. Assassins get to blink or dash to where they want to be, try to kill a guy, and then get out, and they often have the tools to do all that. Garen has to run at a guy, stick to them for 3 seconds, and then run away. As such, I don’t really see him as an assassin.

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Whats Garens highlight supposed to look like after the rework

Repertoir New PortraitGaren does the baseline stuff of a Juggernaut (tanky, high damage, low mobility profile) with some additional assassin-like tendencies against a single, semi-random target.

When I think about what these Juggernauts are, they should all be really tanky, they should all deal high damage to the enemy team, and they should all be relatively immobile, PLUS one or two additional differentiating aspects (Villainy, in Garen’s case).

Maybe the “increased damage when hitting a single target” doesn’t send a perfect message, but Garen’s damage in teamfights should still be on par or higher than these other guys. I expect his aoe damage to still be really high despite that addition.

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Would you nerf Judgements E damage if it proves too high

Repertoir New PortraitIf it turns out Garen is too strong following his update, I’d prefer to nerf his Q speed or base MS slightly over hurting his damage.

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Why should I pick Garen over other Juggernaut top laners

Repertoir New PortraitThere are a couple potential reasons that I could see to pick Garen (outside just liking him). First, he’ll still be a lane bully for several matchups I imagine, and picking to win your lane can often be a good idea. Second, relative to other tanky top laners, Garen will have possibly the best combined package of sustained speed, durability, and damage. Basically, he’s a good pick when you need a tanky damage dealing presence and you can anticipate fights that will move a lot.

Strategically, he may be the perfect pick when you have a team that can support him (especially with speed buffs, like Lulu or Sivir) and the opposing team has only one or two damage threats (bonus points if at least one of them is a melee threat). This is the ideal pick scenario for him because the opposing team needs their limited damage dealers to get fed in order to win the game, and if they get fed, they become the Villain. Having that extra effectiveness against that Villain when the opposing team is heavily reliant on them can actually be a big deal.

Another fun interpretation of where I think Garen is a good pick, though it isn’t strategicwithin the game is when you know the opposing team relies on a certain player to get fed in order to win. This could potentially translate to competitive play, though I think it’s more applicable and fun to pre-mades with friends. When you’ve got that one Diamond guy in your premade that you know is going to stomp a bunch of Silvers, pick Garen against him and show him who’s boss in the late game.

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What problems does this rework solve for Garen

Repertoir New PortraitBefore making any changes to him, Garen was in the unfortunate situation of:

  1. Having to work super hard to get to people in fights (this used to be the standard in LoL)
  2. Not being all that impactful if he actually managed to get to people


This update doesn’t change the former. In fact, he statistically becomes slightly worse at getting to people. However, it is intended that he’ll have a huge impact if he actually manages to get to people now. Whether or not the exact numbers we have on PBE right now will perfectly accomplish that goal, that is indeed the goal, and I’ll work to get him there if he falls short of it on release. At the end of the day, Garen is never going to be able to compete with champions like Irelia, Hecarim, or Riven (this isn’t to say that any of these three characters are necessarily balanced either) when it comes to getting to specific targets, so he should be meaningfully more impactful than them in some way if he pulls it off. In his case, he’s just going to deal a ton of damage to things he sticks to.

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What role are Juggernauts supposed to fill on a team

Meddler Final PortraitWe see juggernauts as a sub class of fighters/brawlers/bruisers/whatever else you want to call them. That’s a really large group of champions that ranges from the really mobile characters that build damage only, like Tryndamere, to the immobile champs that build tanky like Nasus. We’ve been looking at a series of sub groups with that larger fighter group as a result as follows:


  • Juggernauts – Immobile, tough, build one to two offensive items on average (e.g. Nasus or Garen)
  • Divers – Pretty mobile, and really good at getting onto specific targets they want to kill, builds a little bit more offensively than juggernauts (e.g. Irelia or Xin Zhao)
  • Light fighters (need a better name for this group – Highly mobile, builds almost entirely offense, often good at killing multiple targets, usually squishy with windowed defense of evasieness (e.g. Trynd or Fiora).

Biggest contrast between tanks and juggernauts is in what each group is trying do. Tanks are generally trying to initiate or peel more, kill by themselves less. They build almost mainly (sometimes exclusively) defense/utility and have a greater amount of mobility, generally tied to initiation or peeling actions.

As far as other juggernauts go, Olaf, Shyvana are the next two we’re planning on looking at. Yorick’s arguably a juggernaut, he’ll get a full relaunch though. Volibear could be described as a juggernaut, though he’s also got some diver and tank bits to him. Mundo also shares some juggernaut characteristics, but doesn’t really match overall (which is fine, we’re looking to use these descriptions as ways to map similarities and differences between champions, not because every champion has to be forced into a specific category).

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Meddler Final Portrait‘Juggernaut’ is a term we’re using to talk about a type of champion that’s pretty much always been in the game. We haven’t previously put enough time into identifying their strengths, weaknesses, item needs, role in lane, role in a teamfight however, so we’re doing some of that work now.

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Will you be working on other subclasses like Divers or Light Fighters

Meddler Final PortraitWe chose juggernauts as a group to focus on because we felt they needed the work the most. Next step’s going to be follow up work post 5.16 release (balancing if we’re off on power, adjusting mechanics if some of our theories get proven wrong etc). We’ll then assess how successful this work was or wasn’t and use that to help inform how we tackle other characters.

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Would you classify Shyvana as a Juggernaut

Meddler Final Portrait We think juggernaut’s probably the closest description for Shyvana because damage output, and ability to kill enemy champions herself, is a really core part of her identity. She’s happy soaking some damage certainly, but she’s not there primarily to set up/enable her team. Gragas and Cho we’ve been looking at as tank/mage combinations, Trundle as tank (though he’s definitely got some juggenaut characteristics and doesn’t fit the tank mold that cleanly), J4 as diver or tank (definitely not a juggernaut given the amount of mobility on his kit).

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Why not turn Shen into a Juggernaut

Meddler Final PortraitAs in remove his dash and make him more about auto attacking/damage output? Not seeing the Shen+Juggernaut fit sorry, and that’s before looking at thematics too.

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Is Poppy being pushed more towards a Tank or Juggernaut role

Meddler Final PortraitMore tank (stronger CC focus, so more like Sion than like Garen).

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Why hasnt Riot toned down Vaynes HP true damage

Repertoir New PortraitSeems like something we’d prefer not to touch since it’s such a core part of the character’s identity. If I had to nerf Vayne, it certainly wouldn’t be the first place I’d look to hit. I’d prefer to just nerf her early game or reduce the flat damage component of Silver Bolts, but the percent part of it seems pretty core to the identity of the character.

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How would YOU nerf Vaynes early game

Repertoir New PortraitIf I had to nerf Vayne’s, I’d probably try to first think about why she’s too strong in the first place. How did she go from someone seen as having a bad early game to someone seen as pretty average in the early game?

Though these first few suggestions aren’t directly nerfs to Vayne and have other implications, I’d probably ask why Caitlyn, Lucian, and other historical lane bullies aren’t doing their job to keep her in check. So first, I’d ask why other lane bullies that used to give her trouble aren’t being played anymore, and maybe look into that (though that’s a multi-champion change).

Also, I’d probably try to determine what exactly is the issue with her early game. Is her early game actually too strong? Or does the state of the game just more or less guarantee that she gets her late game? This second part can be especially relevant, because it makes less sense to have champions that are so disproportionately strong in the late game if games are tending to go five minutes longer than they used to (not sure on the exact numbers on game length at the moment, to be honest).

I’ll admit I’m absolutely not an expert on marksman balance, so don’t take my suggestions here as gospel. However, there are lots of ways to nerf a champion’s early game. Off the top of my head:

  • Base AD nerf and increase AD/lvl. Just a couple Base AD makes a huge difference in early game power. I reduced Nidalee’s base AD when she was a terror in top lane late last season, and she basically disappeared from the lane.
  • Scale her spell damages or cooldowns non-linearly, with the later ranks giving more value than the first. This is unconventional, but there’s no reason we really can’t do it. For instance, if Tumble’s cooldown was only reduced by .5 seconds at early ranks, and 1.5 in the last few (or something like that.
  • Probably a bad idea, but maybe Vayne could have 325 or lower MS and have her passive MS increased. I think one of the things about Vayne is that she’s supposed to be a statement pick, like “I know this champion isn’t good early game, but I’m better than you and can win regardless.” Something like this may play that up, though at the expense of snowballiness.

Anyway, just some thoughts off the top of my head.

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Do you think Vaynes kit synergizes with Blade of the Ruined King too well

Repertoir New PortraitImo, BotRK rush is generally probably just too strong, especially on champions it synergizes with.

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Why is Lee Sin being buffed on the PBE

Meddler Final PortraitThese are buffs intended to give power particularly to players who aren’t amazing at Lee Sin. We like that Lee Sin’s got a pretty steep mastery curve that really rewards practice, but it’s a bit too extreme, making it really hard to put him in a good spot balance wise (if he’s balanced in top tier play he’s very weak for the average player, if he’s at least tolerable for the average player he’s probably too dominant in top tier play). They will add a bit of power to competitive Lee Sin play too, we’re looking to avoid too much of a buff there though.

As far as the specific changes go:

  • Ult now deals damage to people hit by the champion knocked back based off the bonus HP of the champ kicked. If you can Insec well, this isn’t going to be a very appealing play generally. If you can’t however, and are regularly using the ult just to get enemy divers out of the fight for your team this will offer a bit of extra power to try and optimize. Will be some niche cases where it helps out in high level play as well, we expect those situations to be pretty niche though.

  • Energy restore from passive now frontloaded onto the first auto attack (20 first auto then 10 second auto, instead of 15/15). This buff will help out both new and experienced Lee Sin players, expectation is it’ll be significantly more useful to newer players though as they learn energy management and when to weave auto attacks in between spell casts. A frequent source of failure we see from new players is constantly trying to weave in 2 autos per cast, even when that’s a really poor idea or, at the other extreme, running out of energy frequently. Giving people room to learn and grow’s great of course, we’d like to get some signalling in there to encourage people to consider 1 auto per cast more often when they’re first learning though.

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Why not balance him instead

Meddler Final Portrait‘Balanced for who?’ is one of the questions behind this work. We choose to balance for high level play, with some reigning in of massive outliers at lower skill levels. If the difference in performance between experienced and inexperienced player gets too far out of line however that means we’re forced to make a champion really hard to succeed with and unsatisfying for the average player if they’re to be balanced at high level play. Making a champions skill floor a bit more accessible, without lowering their skill ceiling, is an approach we feel’s valuable as a result, and this work is, in part, an example of that.

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Meddler Final Portrait5.16’s also got changes to a number of other champs we believe also need some help. Currently in testing stuff includes:

  • Kassadin (ult AP ratio)
    Le Blanc (partial reversion of the W speed reduction)
    Lissandra (self cast ult heals Lissandra)
    Lucian (W MS bonus can now be triggered by allies)
    Nami (buffed passive, ult applies double strength passive)
    Twitch (lower Q mana cost and very slight ult damage increase late game)
    Vel’koz (secondary missiles on Q have more range)
    Zed (shorter delay until ult can be reactivated)

That’s all potential stuff in testing, so not guaranteed to go live of course, but Lee’s definitely not the only champ we’re looking at in that regard.

Yorick’s a champ we believe needs a full kit overhaul, in the same way old Sion did/Poppy does. He’s not in a terrible spot power wise so, given we don’t believe he’s good for the game, we don’t want to add any power to him at this point.

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Will Warwick receive an update soon

Repertoir New PortraitWarwick is one of the champions that pretty regularly shows up on the list of ‘champions to work on’, but I don’t think there are currently any plans for him. That said, there weren’t any plans for Garen, Morde, Darius, and Skarner until May, so who knows…

If you don’t mind me asking, what is it about him that makes him your favorite character?

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Fiora should receive some minor buffs

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re with you that Fiora seems to be pretty underpowered and are working on a set of buffs for her at the moment. One of those will increase her mobility, overall though at least for a first set of changes we’re looking more to add baseline effectiveness to her. From the look of it we ended up being significantly too cautious about her balance overall.

Current changelist (note, work in progress, so not set in stone) looks like this:

HP / level 80 >>> 92
AD / Level 2.5 >>> 3.3
Q CD 18/16/14/12/10 >>> 16/14/12/10/8
W CD 21/19.5/18/16.5/15 >>> 19/18/17/16/15

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If you have any questions, feel free to ask me at @NoL_Chefo or e-mail me at nolchefo@gmail.com.

 

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You can find earlier steps in the roadmap by visiting the links below:

 

TL;DR: Soon™, the NA game servers will be transferring to a more centralized location in Chicago, Illinois. This move, along with other components of the NA Server Roadmap, should improve connection quality for the vast majority of NA players. West Coast players will see an uptick in raw ping numbers, but should also see that uptick mitigated by connection improvements in the form of better overall stability and reduced packet loss. We’ll keep everyone updated on the specifics (including exact timing) as we get closer to the move. For more details, check out the full story below.

 

Ahab Final PortraitHey, everyone! Riot Ahab here with another update on the NA Server Roadmap. In our last post we updated you on our completion of Phase 2 – building a dedicated network for League traffic. ISP partnering and routing optimization will be an ongoing project as routes and ISPs change, but the hardware is now up and fully functional.

Now it’s time to talk about Phase 3, in which we’ll move the game servers to a central location that, in conjunction with Phase 2, will even out the currently vast ping differences across NA. We don’t have the when to share just yet, but we can share the where: Chicago, Illinois.

 

 

Why Chicago

Our selection of Chicago as the home for the new NA game servers likely comes as no big surprise to those of you who’ve followed previous Roadmap updates, and saw the Windy City figure prominently in many player theories. For those of you with a bit less background on the need for a new location, it largely comes down to geography, and more importantly, connectivity to the rest of North America.

The most obvious issue with our current Portland game servers is their coastal location. While keeping the original servers near Riot’s west-coast offices made sense back when we were just starting out, both the exponential growth of the NA server and North America’s changing internet landscape mean that west-coast servers are now directly contributing to markedly inferior service for a huge number of east-coast players.

But geography isn’t the only reason for this switch, else we might have ended up in Wichita or Denver. The truth is that in the complicated world of internet architecture, Portland is less directly connected to the rest of North America than we’d like. Chicago, on the other hand, happens to be one of the best connected cities in the entire world, let alone in North America. With more bandwidth running through it, more fiber running through it, and more data center space than any other North American city, plus a central location and role as a major exchange between the US and Canada, Chicago is simply the premier place to provide the best overall service for the far-flung NA player base.

Some of you may ask, “Why not just keep the Portland servers online and create separate servers?” Ultimately, our answer is simple – the community. Today’s NA community traces its roots all the way back to the beginning of League’s open beta in April 2009. Starting from a grand total of three hundred players, in less than six years the community has swelled tomillions of us. We’ve all been there together through League’s constant evolution, and continue to welcome new players from across North America every day. For us, the preservation of the NA community is worth any effort, and with that in mind we’ve focused all our energy on creating a stable, long-term, single-server solution.

 

What does this mean for me

At the highest level, this server move will allow us to bring the vast majority of NA players under 80 ms ping. Currently, more than 50% of NA players actually fall above that threshold, so Chicago game servers (along with continued work on peering agreements and direct networking) will allow us to create a far more balanced latency outlook for the NA player base.

While this move will be an overall positive for the NA player base, the specific effects you experience will depend on which part of NA you call home. Compared to our current Portland servers, and speaking very broadly, moving to Chicago will result in:

  • Moderate latency increases (up to ~45 ms) in the Pacific Northwest and outlying regions (Hawaii, other Pacific Islands, Japan, etc)
  • Minor latency increases (up to ~30 ms) across the rest of the west coast of North America.
  • Generally neutral effects across a broad strip of the Mountain States and Saskatchewan
  • Moderate to major latency reductions (up to ~50 ms for much of the East Coast) across the entire eastern half of North America

Keep in mind these are extremely rough generalizations that simply represent physical distance added, and don’t take potentially wonky ISP routing into account. We also want to emphasize again that ping is just a part of the picture and that no player will be left out in the cold with this move. Mitigating the localized downsides of the Chicago move is a major part of our latest Roadmap initiatives, and all NA players can expect positives (lower packet loss rates, improved stability, etc.) as part of the other work we’re doing.

 

WHATS NEXT

While we fine tune the infrastructure and finalize plans, we’ll also need to do some live testing of the new game servers in the next week or two to make sure everything’s working as expected. We’ll need to disable ranked play for a few hours during testing, so we’ll give you guys a heads up the day before via the in-game ticker and the server status page.

Other than that, we’ll be back several times in the coming weeks with more info on everything from server transfers to how exactly the switchover will work. And, of course, a date!

 

Beyond the switch

While the Chicago move will complete our outlined milestones for the NA Server Roadmap, multiple teams here at Riot will remain dedicated to making sure players experience the best possible connection while playing League. For example, the dedicated network for League traffic will require constant tweaking and adjustments as we add new ISP partners and our current partners adjust how they route traffic across the US and Canada. On that note, we’ve got an updated list below of the partners we’ve added since the last update.

Hopefully we’ve preemptively answered a lot of your questions, but we know you probably have many more. Two options for you:

  1. We’ve put together a live support thread where Rioters are on hand to help you diagnose any funky latency issues you may be experiencing. Head on over if you’ve seen any consistent streaks of higher-than-usual ping over the last six months and would like to chat with some experts about it.
  2. If you have general questions about the Chicago move, we’ve got a bunch of Roadmap team members on hand – ask away!

 

Partnered ISPs:

(talks in-progress)

AT&T
Cox Communications
Verizon

(new additions)

Accelerated Connections
Bel Air Internet
Bell Aliant Regional Communications,
Cablevision Systems
Qwest Communications Company
RCN

(already partnered)

3Z Canada
Abovenet Communications
Alaska Communications
Altopia
Atlas Networks Corporation
CenturyLink
Charter Communications
Clear Wireless
CoastCom
Cogeco Cable
Cogent Communications
Comcast Cable Communications
CTS Communications Corp.
Electronic Box
Eltopia
Fibrenoire Internet
Frontier Communications
Google Fiber
Hurricane Electric, Inc.,
Interconnected Associates
Level 3 Communications
Lightspeed Communications
LS Networks
Molalla Communications Systems Inc.
NetRiver
Network for Education and Research in Oregon (NERO)
NTT America
Oricom Internet
Pavlov Media
Pocketinet Communications
Rogers Cable Communications
Saskatchewan Telecommunications (SaskTel)
Shaw Communications
Sonoma Interconnect
Start Communications
Syringa Networks
TDS Telecom
TekSavvy Solutions
TELUS Communications
TeraGo Networks
Threshold Communications
Time Warner Cable
Vanoppen.biz
Videotron Telecom Ltee
Vision Net
WindWave Communications
WiscNet
Worldlink
WOW! Internet

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Patch 516 Juggernaut Reworks and Item Changes Discussions

Meddler Final PortraitHi all,

Wanted to link a bunch of discussions going on on the PBE boards at the moment regarding the various changes in the 5.16 patch, given threads on the PBE boards tend to have lower visibility than stuff here. Lot more change than the average patch going on, with some stuff that looks pretty weird, overpowered or over-nerfed at least at first read. Lot of details in the threads below that hopefully offer some context on what we’re thinking and what we believe the impact of some of these changes will be.

These threads are on the PBE forums specifically to gather feedback from people that are testing/will test the changes in game. Very interested in feedback from other people as well though of course, and currently reading a lot of it both here and on various 3rd party sites. As usual these are PBE changes and therefore subject to change as we polish kits, balance numbers, fix bugs etc. There are also some changes that are much more, or less, impactful in game than they may appear at a glance on paper (e.g. Morde gaining a bit of extra attack range).

Skarner:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/d2bmpMif-skarner-pbe-changelist-and-feedback-thread

Garen:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/Y7ELMJAK-garen-pbe-changelist-and-feedback-thread

Darius:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/Grx91k8I-darius-pbe-changelist-and-feedback

Morde:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/KhcvQBlG-mordekaiser-change-summary-feedback-thread

New Items:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/rFbd7hyy-new-items-steraks-gage-and-titanic-hydra

Defensive Item Changes:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/yMtrbjGs-core-defense-items-pass-516

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Do you want our negative feedback on the changes

Meddler Final PortraitYes, I’d definitely like to hear the grievances people have with these changes, discussions like this one are one of the main reasons I spend time on the forums in the first place.

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Why are you changing so many things in a single patch

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re putting a lot of stuff in 5.16 for a few reasons:

  1. These are changes that have been developed together that tie in with each other. The state of Morde, Garen etc is going to be highly impacted by the items available to them. Releasing champ changes and items separately means having to wait longer to get a true read on how they interact with each other.

  2. After 5.16 we want to start focusing on balance and stability as we prepare for the patch Worlds will be played on (most likely 5.18). Putting all the disruption into one patch, and then taking a couple to balance it, gives us more time to catch issues than spreading it out over 3 patches and then not having any reaction time to issues that emerge in the third patch.

  3. We feel we’ve been a bit too conservative in the past in the run up to Worlds. Worlds should involve a stable patch, that teams can focus on, ideally with any massive balance outliers. That’s not to say it should reflect a game state that’s been unchanged for so long it’s starting to feel stale though. It’s about two months until Worlds right now, which we feel’s a good time to introduce some change before, as above, shifting gears to balance/polish.

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Why are you doing these massive changes right before Worlds

Xypherous Final PortraitWe have roughly 2 1/2 months of lead up to worlds and so at least 2 full patches to respond to any massive directional imbalances.

As for how massive this is – while there are a lot of items on the changelist itself – it’s mostly small tuning steps with one or two exceptions. Similar to how AP itemization goes – while there is a lot of holistic polish across the board – the net overall change should be moderate – at least for these core passes.

While I understand that’s not a super satisfying answer – I believe this is the last major update of the year in which a lot of things are happening and thus these item changes are meant to be a polish and tuning step to support a somewhat better ecosystem for those changes to live in.

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A huge patch right before Worlds means pros wont have time to adapt

Pwyff Final PortraitSorry if I don’t respond immediately. I occasionally comment and then go do work. I get that being deliberately inflammatory on the internet is how you get responses, and I hate rewarding that, but let’s actually talk about this because I don’t think we’re 100% correct, but at least we have good reasons.

First, I think it’s worth discussing what constitutes ‘too much change’ for pro play vs. regular play. There’s definitely a subjective concept (survey pros! survey players!), but I wonder what is objectively considered too much for a pro player to adapt on a patch to patch basis. That’s a super philosophical question.

Regardless, it’s worth noting that 5.14 is the patch that all of the playoffs are being played on (per esports’ commitment), and then a later patch (definitely post-5.16) will be the standardized patch that Worlds will be played on. Pros do get a period of time between playoffs and worlds to practice.

So here’s where we get to the concept of what makes a competitive player. Every game out there values specific things, from Counter-Strike’s commitment to reflexes, snap aim, tactical map movement, or Quake’s movement-based, tracking-aim, power-up placement memorization. League’s always valued player adaptability to a high degree – probably higher than most competitive games. We know there are benefits (from a spectating perspective games are more varied, strategies are being changed up, different playstyles can shine and truly talented teams can demonstrate their mastery by staying ahead of the curve) and drawbacks (players feel they have to ‘re-learn’ the game, optimization of singular strategies isn’t possible, players with narrow champion pools are negatively impacted).

In other words, I’d challenge stability as the ultimate indicator of a competitive player. Faker has long been heralded as the pinnacle of League talent, and we appreciate him because of his tireless commitment to mastering core game mechanics and systems, while also innovating with an evolving game. I’d also mention, I don’t think these changes are so massive that they reinvent all that is League of Legends – they offer new strategic paths, but I have no way of objectively verifying just how much more powerful new, emergent strategies are vs. players believing they are.

All that said, I’m not saying this is a fool-proof argument – if we hear a lot of discussion that this is just too much, that teams just can’t accommodate, then this is definitely a lesson for the future. I just want to make sure we both realize we’re coming from two very different perspectives on what makes a good, competitive game of League.

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Can we expect new mechanics on Nunu Mundo Fizz or Aatrox

Meddler Final PortraitAatrox definitely needs some work, agreed, he does some fun stuff, but it’s too general overall.

Mundo, with his massive regen, poke from a traditionally poke weak class and berserker playstyle (benefits for low health) is someone we feel’s pretty close to distinct enough. Would be good to do some smaller stuff on him at some point, we feel other champs need the work a lot more though.

Nunu we feel’s extremely unique. Long duration MS/AS buff he can keep on multiple targets, extremely strong objective control off a base ability, repeated attack speed slows from a support like champion and an ult that controls space in a pretty distinct way with extreme punishment after a long telegraph.

Current assessment is Fizz is in a reasonable spot, given the uniqueness his Shark and Troll Pole offer, both in terms of playstyle and relative to other assassins. Might need to reward him more for AP builds/less for tanky ones, not sure on that front. As with Mundo though some opportunity to differentiate him a bit more with small changes, but a champ we feel’s got a strong need.

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Can you give us more info on the upcoming changes to Shyvana Olaf

Meddler Final PortraitWe haven’t started work on Shyvana or Olaf yet besides some really rough brainstorming, in part because we want to see how these changes, and the associated item changes, go. Assess what works, what doesn’t, where we should have taken things further or pulled back etc.

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Will Shyvana still be able to carry games

Meddler Final PortraitCan’t offer you any details on what changes to her kit might look like, we haven’t started talking about that ourselves yet. Would definitely expect her to retain a strong damage focus.

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You can find all the changes to Darius HERE.

 

New PBE changelist for Darius

Statikk New PortraitHey all,

Got some time to test him out this morning and talk with the playtest team.

We definitely feel his presence in team fights is way higher than he was previous to these changes.

My current concerns lie within the consistency of his laning phase and if he’s just bit too soft there.

Here’s the changelist you guys will see in the next build:

Q

  • Mana cost reduced to 30 from 40

W

  • Slow is now 90% at all ranks from 40/50/60/70/80%

E

  • Slow adjusted to 90% for 1 second from 99% for 0.75

These changes are aimed at making combo’d Q’s pretty much guaranteed. We want to ensure that there is still ample counter-play to the Q when used alone, but we’re pretty happy with Darius making it much easier for himself if he uses up his other resources successfully.

Overall, we don’t feel Darius is far off balance-wise in either direction, so we would like to take small steps at a time. We’re also really interested in how Darius progresses over time as people get used to the new Q.

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Responding to community feedback on the Darius update

Statikk New PortraitGonna address a couple of points I’ve seen brought up:

E’s Slow

Currently it’s set to be a 90% slow for 0.75 seconds. It is designed to help ensure that E -> Q is a fairly guaranteed combo.

Lack of an Execution Indicator

We purposely left this out of Darius’s update for design reasons. Darius’s design and balance actually revolves around his R’s success and failures more than any other champion in the game.

Because of this when we added an indicator, the Darius gameplay became too much about just reacting to a UI element changing rather than making interesting, risky, and snappy decisions in the heat of battle that might cascade into a pentakill.

In a lot of cases we would prefer consistency across our champions, but in the Darius case we feel like the lack of the indicator allows us to retain power in certain areas and makes him more enjoyable in the long run.

Removal of Passive Movement Speed

This is essential to the direction we are moving the Juggernauts. They are intended to be and feel slow, but hopefully have a ton of other strengths to bring to the table to compensate.

This change became extremely important to make especially after we changed Hemorrhage to deal physical damage due to the insane synergy Darius now has with Black Cleaver.

Q Delay

Along with Bloodrage, this is the most significant change we made to the kit and we feel it’s 100% necessary for the long-term health of the champion. We’ve struggled in the past to make melee vs. melee combat interesting and skill-based, so this is us trying to address that.

I know it can be pretty painful to get used to, but we’ve tested it pretty thoroughly and feel you guys will be able to get the hang of it. Adding the delay allows us to load more power into the Q (the heal and increased late game damage) without just making him unstoppable in lane and other dueling scenarios.

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How about making the delay on his Q scale down with levels

Statikk New PortraitThat’s an interesting thought. We definitely have struggles keeping gameplay fair as the speed and pace increases later in the game.

Haven’t tried that yet, but it sounds super intriguing. If we find that he is not able to hit Q’s later in the game, this might make sense.

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Statikk New PortraitDefinitely seeing the echo of Q being weaker early and also harder to hit. Very much open to making sure his Q feels right in the lane given the more skill-based gameplay it has now.

Gonna get in a few games on him today and talk with the playtest team to see what we can do.

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Did you intentionally make Darius an even slower fighter

Statikk New PortraitYeah Darius is one of the more pure, raw Juggernauts in the game. He truly has no movement bonuses and has fairly limited reach (though his reach is better than some of the other Juggernauts that do exist).

Hopefully Darius feels powerful for being that clean-up monster that none of the other Juggernauts can bring to the table.

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So you arbitrarily designed that a class of immobile fighters should exist

Statikk New PortraitWell, I wouldn’t say “arbitrarily.”

Juggernauts were always a class of champions that we attempted to design (slow, tanky, high damage). We are simply taking a hard look at what we were trying to initially design, finding out where we went wrong in the past, and getting them to work in the modern day of LoL without just turning them all into the same generic champion.

Skarner and Garen are definitely on the fast side of Juggernaut while Darius is on the other side. We think it’s possible to make sure Darius can be stronger than the other 2 in different areas instead.

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Did you fix Apprehends range to be 550 not 540

Statikk New PortraitWe basically re-coded the entire spell to function in the manner we wanted. The E should now be entirely accurate.

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You can find the complete changelist of Garen compared to live HERE.

 

Dont you think nerfing the silence from 25 secs to 15 is a bit much

Repertoir New PortraitMaybe it is, but I think 1.5 seconds still feels pretty substantial. If, for some reason, it’s too short, it could maybe bump upward a bit.

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Repertoir New PortraitIf there’s any part of the changelist that’s too much, I’ll be happy to reel it in. All data we have so far suggests that he’s at least as powerful as Live with these changes, and likely quite a bit stronger.

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Why was Courage W reverted to farming minions for flat bonus resists

Repertoir New PortraitThe flat Armor/MR model actually makes more sense in a world where Garen wants to build a lot of Health items (which he should have readily available to him in this patch). I think you may be right that it takes too long to farm currently, though. I’ll keep an eye out for that. This shouldn’t be too much of a nerf, since the Health items coming this patch (Sterak’s Gage, Ravenous Hydra, Warmog’s update, etc.) should allow him to build an abundance of Health and get more of what he needs in fewer items. I totally understand not liking the Tenacity nerf, but we do feel it’s important that Tanks and CC-heavy supports feel good about their efforts to peel the big tanky dudes running at their teams.

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The late game buff to Judgement means Garen will need ArPen items

Repertoir New PortraitThis skill also has a 5.5 Total AD ratio in the late game, so I don’t think it’s only amped by Penetration. Black Cleaver should be even better on him now, due to the higher AD ratio, as well as the fact that he’ll stack the passive faster due to the increased tick rate of Judgment.

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Why does Judgement slow Garen when hes moving toward enemies

Repertoir New PortraitThis change is intended to improve play during the back half of Judment. Keep in mind, the cooldown of this spell is lower, so you’ll get to cast it more often, and there’s also a cooldown incentive to turning it off early if the enemy has escaped it, meaning it will become available to cast even sooner. He does a significant amount more damage now, and he was probably too sticky to merit it. Garen was allowed to have that level of stickiness before because his damage just wasn’t relevant in the later stages of the game most often, but it should be now.

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His current and new Ws are stale abilities with little gameplay involved

Repertoir New PortraitHis W is pretty darn boring, but individual abilities can be somewhat bland if there is added complexity to the kit elsewhere. In Garen’s case, we wanted to keep him available as a beginner player option, and we took some complexity out of W active, put we put some back in the R passive, E activation, and W passive farming.

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Will the total duration of Judgement change from 3 seconds

Repertoir New PortraitThe total duration is always 3 seconds, so the game starts with it at 5 ticks per spin, and increases to 6/7/8/9/10 ticks per spin at levels 4/7/10/13/16.

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Repertoir New PortraitLate game Judgment damage (all ticks combined) should be 280 + 5.5 TotalAD from 360 + 3.3 TotalAD

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Bot lane Morde will probably need to start Doran Shield or Cloth 5 pots

Meddler Final PortraitWe’ve also seen some Morde’s start Targon’s, particularly if they’re paired with a support that’ll really value the extra healing from that (supports that trade aggressively for example). Not sure if that’s optimal yet, worth a look though.

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If a team takes Mordekaiser bot lane they will probably take an ADC mid

Meddler Final PortraitThat’s what we’ve seen in most internal playtests so far. Some non ADC teams, lot of mid or top (or very occasionally jungle) ADCs.

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What supports have been getting picked to lane with Mordekaiser

Meddler Final PortraitSupports with strong CC have been the most consistently successful so far in testing, since they let Morde get onto targets with his Q and set up well for the W damage field. Double Targon’s has also proven at least moderately effective, again not sure if that’s necessarily optimal or not though.

It’s likely this direction will make it quite a bit harder for Morde to solo lane, given the amount of benefit he gets from duo laing. That’s rough on people that enjoy solo Morde, we did feel this was the right approach to take though to get Morde into a spot where he could be made effective without having to massively change him overall. We believe Morde’s strengths and weaknesses can be preserved, or even amplified, in a way that’s a lot more functional/healthy when he’s got an ally to fill in some of his gaps.

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Are you just looking to fit Mordes kit on some lane in a healthy way

CertainlyT New PortraitYour understanding of the changes is accurate. My goal is not to “use Morde to break the meta” but to find a healthy home for Mordekaiser where he can be successful while still being himself (slow, tough, CC-free overwhelmingly powerful damage dealer). My feeling was that for this sort of profile, the champion could not be both successful and healthy on their own. Morde needs someone to help cover his weaknesses and actualize his strengths. Supports stood out as natural complements. They too are incomplete champions, lacking damage but bringing a lot of CC and ally buffs/hastes.

There is no unherent reason why playing Mordekaiser bottom lane will cause teams to lose. Structurally, he has the ability to forcefully push games to a conclusion by using his dragon to smash down the enemy base. In testing, we have had just as many games where he succeeds as fails.

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Will you be trying to make more melee champions viable on the bot lane

CertainlyT New PortraitNot at the champion design level. I think there are a few possibilities that Mordekaiser could demonstrate:

1) Melee bot lanes generally are… are sufficiently enjoyable for all players and sufficientlystrategically interesting to warrant further proactive steps by us to dislodge players from their habits;
2) The existence of one occasional melee bot lane is interesting and enjoyable but does not warrant further steps by us;
3) Melee bot lanes generally are interesting and enjoyable, but Mordekaiser is a poor execution of one;
4) Melee bot lanes are antithetical to “good” LoL design, and so we should not seek to support them.

Personally, I feel that #4 is unlikely. This means the central question is largely about whether a) there should be more melee bot lanes and b) at what level that “pushing” should come from us. Candidly, Mordekaiser is pretty “forced”.

I would love for players to feel that they can identify situations to run a wider number of existing champions successfully as the duo lane carry. In fact, Yasuo was an effort in this direction. Unfortunately, he is either ineffective in that capacity (though statistically bot lane duo is his highest win rate) or players are uncomfortable playing non-traditional styles. If the latter is true than I see my role as a designer not to “push” more champions into the lane but to create social and strategic space for players to innovate.

This, then, is my hope for Mordekaiser: that his presence in the bottom lane spurs players to think more broadly about how they can build team composition that have a greater diversity of champion archetypes without the need for us to customize kits to that lane.

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How will Mordekaiser deal with being kited by the enemy ADC

CertainlyT New PortraitWell, your task is to find a teammate that can prevent him from being kited. If you can do so, you’ll probably win the game. Good luck!

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Isnt the nerf to his base movement speed overkill

CertainlyT New PortraitIt might be. I certainly didn’t start at 325. In fact, I was very hesitant and moved him down 5 MS at a time as opponents reported being completely unable to escape his onslaught. A major factor for this is that Mordekaiser has the base damage and base survivability to invest into a lot of movement speed items as the game progresses (Our playtesters often build him Targons–>Ninja Tabi->Phage->Trinity Force->Raptor Cloak->Rylai’s).

I think you might also be coming at this from the perspective of someone who has played “traditional” melee bot lanes, that must function as aggressive kill lanes in order to find any success. Mordekaiser has the scaling and defenses to whittle his opponents down and wait for a good opportunity (like a Thresh hook).

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Can you cast Mordes new W on yourself without allies present

CertainlyT New PortraitHarvesters of Sorrow (W) is not castable without an ally champion present. If you are alone as Mordekaiser, you’ll have to do without it unless an ally ganks/roams for you.

As others mentioned, Morde is still able to solo lane/jungle in our testing, but doesn’t shine as brightly as he does in a duo lane. I’m comfortable with that mainly because I do not think that Mordekaiser can ever be a marquee example of a healthy solo lane champion given how stark his strengths and weakness profile is — An excessive number of his lane matchups are determined either at champion select or through jungler intervention, not through the relative skill of Mordekaiser and his lane opponent. As I began to work on his mechanics though, the thing that stood out was how defined Mordekaiser was by those stark strengths and weaknesses. To round out his kit would have been to compromise him as a champion.

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Why the AD scaling on his E

CertainlyT New PortraitE in my mind is most healthy as a “parry” ability that provides a lot of instant shield. As a nuke, it lacks good play against most opponents, who can’t help but get into its range. As such, the damage had to come down a bit in the early game. I didn’t want the player to have to invest all their early skill points in a fundamentally passive skill, but rather in their preferred means of inflicting damage on their opponent.

Total AD scaling allows the ability to ramp up gradually across game time so that it is hopefully always meeting the needs of providing a “twitchy” active defense against enemy poke.

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Why are you changing Skarner again

Repertoir New PortraitWe wanted to give something to Skarner to optimize around other than just run at a guy. Adding potent zones of threat was our take on that for him.

Also, I think there’s a misunderstanding about how much potential gold these things give out as well, but I’ll look into that to make sure they’re not giving out too much.

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Wont the crystals force Skarner to afk farm until a fight happens near them

Repertoir New PortraitWe don’t just want him to afk farm the jungle forever, but we are okay with his jungle presence being higher than his lane presence overall in the early game. Also, his E is a substantially stronger ganking tool now with how easily it applies the old passive stun, so he does make up for some of the loss of entry speed there if he hits it.

Also, the MS nerf may simply not be needed. We’ve tested various versions of this Skarner, and it seems to be quite strong still, but it’s totally undertandable that players would be concerned over such a big base MS nerf. If it looks like he needs it, we can certainly give it it back. This changelist likely isn’t final yet.

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Wont the crystals make it so Skarner clears certain camps faster than others

Repertoir New PortraitHe’ll definitely have some camps that he clears faster than others now. With the crystals’ placement, he clears Red, Blue, Krugs, Wolves, and Crab incredibly well now, and isn’t quite as fast on Gromp and Razorbeaks. Also, the stun only takes 1 basic attack to trigger now following a hit E, so the loss of AS shouldn’t affect that.

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It looks like Skarner will be forced to fight in certain places to be useful

Repertoir New PortraitSkarner should still have a pretty reliable tank/lockdown threat (probably even greater than before in this regard, given how is E now works) outside of his passive zones. What the zones really provide to him is incredibly boosted DPS and stickiness.

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These shrines are free 30 gold and vision for the enemy jungler

Repertoir New PortraitThe vision on these things only lasts 10 seconds at the time they are captured, so they don’t really give much vision outside of the initial cap. And the gold they give out is basically symmetrical. In order for the enemy team to capture it and gain 15g, Skarner’s team has to own it (and they will hold it until the enemy team turns it over). Likewise, Skarner and his teammates will get 15g for recapturing it later. I do need to put in a better solution for level 1 gold provided by them right now, though.

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The 15 base MS nerf is unneeded since the stacking MS on his Q is gone

Repertoir New PortraitDefinitely keeping an eye on this. 15 MS nerf may not be the right number. Could be 5, 20, or 0. I’ll continue to monitor.

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Can you clarify why youve removed so much from Skarners Q

Repertoir New PortraitHis Q definitely still grants him bonus damage. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. The damage it deals is (TotalAD ratio) and an additional (TotalAD ratio + AP ratio) when charged. His clear speed is actually faster now.

You are right about him doing less dps in ganks now, but the ease at which he stuns enemies via E is increased pretty substantially, and the duration of the stun early game is a bit longer.

Feedback from playtesters has been that his E offers a higher total utility package than before, but I’ll keep an eye out for it.

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You can find all the item changes coming to Patch 5.16 HERE.

 

Why are Magic Resist items being buffed

Xypherous Final PortraitMR itemization, especially end-game is not particularly stronger overall than it was before. (AKA – total end-game values of MR are relatively static compared to live. While Banshee’s and Visage have +5 MR – Aura MR is down by 5, for example.)

However, the build path for MR is a lot smoother to access – so reacting to an enemy AP should be easier. This nicely lines up with the changes made in AP to make building into a lot of AP items more streamlined.

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Why is Cinderhulk being nerfed

Xypherous Final PortraitWhenever Cinderhulk was problematic – we generally saw it was the case of late game – super unkillable tank of ‘oh god why.’

Thus the changes are designed to pull back on that case in particular – by shifting power from the multiplier to the base.

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Xypherous Final PortraitCinderhulk should be more powerful mid-game to compensate. It won’t actually be a nerf until you surpass 1k bonus health (AKA 3 complete health items).

The issue with Cinderhulk is that after this point, it became rapidly hard to control the impact of any health item in the game – as the effects of said item were wildly variant – hence the adjustment.

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Xypherous Final PortraitIt’s true that Cinderhulk is nerfed in the late game after your 3rd major Health purchase. However, until you hit 1000 bonus health – you are strong that you were previously.

With the jungle items in their current state – if you wanted someone to be strong in the extreme late game – your first option probably wouldn’t be tanks to begin with given that there are multiple routes for end-game success in the jungle that it’s running directly into.

The other facet of this is that if Cinderhulk has to compete in the end-game against these other two – what it effectively would have to do is create unstoppable characters that cannot be killed – and so even if it does work – it wouldn’t be a state we’d be particularly happy with.

Therefore, by shifting Cinderhulk’s impact to be more impactful mid game and less impactful late game – the item actually has a window to shine – rather than be overshadowed end-game by a devourer or completely dominant when it is good.

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What do the Thornmail changes mean for tanks who want to counter ADCs

Xypherous Final PortraitYou need to hard commit to armor in order to screw ADCs in the new Thornmail model – and ADCs that build crit can ignore Thornmail more than more AS centric ones.

If you’re trying to deal the same damage to a critical carry as before – you’ll need like 200 to 350 bonus armor (depending on the damage of the carry.)

It’s a net nerf overall – until you get into champion specifics. Rammus / Malphite in particular can hit much higher levels of Armor much earlier – and so their own synergies with the item increase, for example.

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Context on Riots statement for not working on a sandbox mode

Pwyff Final PortraitThis is a hard stance to take, but we do agree with what you’re saying. That’s pretty much why we opened with an agreement.

Where it gets fuzzy… on this comment chain someone mentioned (https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3fwiy0/riot_pls_league_of_legends/ctsl875) that if someone wants to improve their freethrows, they go practice freethrows – in League that means players should have an expected mode available where they can practice combos, flashing, etc. I’m not straw manning this thing but that’s always been a core concern when it comes to dictating behavior. I’ll explain:

An answer like “players will see sandbox mode as an expectation rather than a ‘fun tool’ sounds very ‘we know better'” but it’s a pretty significant concern when you look at other games (ie: fighting games) where, if a player wants to get involved, they need to hop into dozens of hours of training mode first.

So in a game that’s oriented around players playing to improve, imagine a world where you miss one flash over a wall and your whole team tells you to quit and hop into sandbox mode? Once again, I don’t think it’s an ironclad stance that will convince the world – I do think it’s got merit. I’d imagine everyone’s had games already where someone’s told them to quit playing ranked and to go play normals. If an additional layer of sandbox got added underneath, that’s what we’re talking about.


I think a different thread died, but I wanted to link out a more cohesive perspective on this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3fwuvo/riotpwyff_sandbox_mode_will_not_be_implemented/ctsqxen

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WHY SANDBOX MODE ISNT COMING TO LEAGUE

Pwyff’s comments are in response to Riot’s recently-posted announcement, which you can read HERE.

 

So youre not adding sandbox mode because of toxic players

Pwyff Final PortraitI’m going to push back on the concept of it being player toxicity, sorry if it got represented like that. I’ll walk through it again…

First, banksy has a comment here I want to hop off of (https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3fwiy0/riot_pls_league_of_legends/ctsq90u) and work from.

I think the concept of sandbox mode has a billion different meanings (free-form practice, custom game modes, etc), so just clear that we’re talking about a lot of things. The one that resonates the most is the concept of a free-form training mode for practicing abilities and techniques in isolation without the pressure of a game. That’s what we’re going to use as a shared definition!

When we say we have a lot of debate, we mean it. Even in discussions today, we have lead designers saying there are aspects of sandbox mode that we could or should explore. I’ve talked a lot about the risks in various threads, but I want to emphasize it’s not so much player toxicity as it is broad expectations. If the skill floor for fundamentals requires extensive time spent in sandbox mode, that’s kind of scary. But for many (including designers), this is an acceptable risk for the potential gains – like pros being able to practice or players who want to get better having that option. It’s choice vs. no choice, as many of you have said. I wanted to accurately represent both sides and acknowledge them.

The stance sounds fluffyish because it was born of necessity to put the conversation to rest. As banksy puts it, there are a lot of good reasons to explore training-sandbox mode and we’re having conversations even from these comments and replies. But in terms of prioritization, it’s still below our current ones. We are talking and we hear you – to do sandbox mode right will probably require a lot of investment.

Probably a lesson for the future then. For a nuanced topic like sandbox mode, that seems more like a discussion than something on a dev blog. It’s clear we sound super authoritative and hard-headed about this, so we’ll adjust. I do think it’s a conversation you can bring up as a “we still want this!” but we also want to be clear it’s not happening soon. In other words, an idea can be good but it also can not be a priority. There is DEFINITELY a better way to reach that conclusion because this one’s pretty, uh, painful.

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Pwyff Final PortraitI wouldn’t actually say it’s toxicity of the community as it is broad behavioral patterns. The thing about massive communities is how prone they are to group-think. I’ve said this before and this sounds super ‘we know better’ but it’s the same thing with community management. What a community ‘picks up’ as cultural norms or expectations sticks with them for a long time. I don’t want to analyze how these things get picked up in the first place, but if you look at something like the boards where there’s a lot of very heated debate over every little change, you can see that’s the ‘expectation’ of the environment. You can only really change that by iterative steps along the way (ie: “Let’s have a constructive conversation”).

Once again, this won’t be an answer that says “you are all convinced” – it’s an answer that shows there are a lot of underlying concerns and why it’s tough to judge which way that coin will fall.

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Pwyff Final PortraitI don’t think these responses are going to make things better or convince people who might have otherwise disagreed. I’m just making the stances clear on both sides, even if they are very, uh, polarizing.

Once again, I just don’t think this is going to be a “let’s convince everyone” because I get where your values are coming from and I’m just hoping people might see where ours come from.

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Players improve via educational mediums not from spamming solo queue

Pwyff Final PortraitI agree with you that educational mediums are huge for learning League – maybe we can get better at showcasing those (I believe in NA we’re highlighting them in the client).

The argument that “it would have happened already” with CS drills is something you do see even if it’s not on a broad scale. Where I’d say it’s ‘already happened’ is if you hop into a ranked game, perform badly, and hear someone tell you “go back to casuals” (or just uninstall). That does occur and that should be the last stop (or vs. AI bots) of where people go to when it comes to improving.

I realize I’m just repeating myself from other parts of the thread and it’s really clear the disconnect comes from a very odd “that is a risk” stance and y’all saying “it won’t happen that way.” I won’t say agree to disagree but…

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A new skin teaser has popped up on Riot’s official site.

 

The first part contains a circled exclamation mark that occasionally fires lightning bolts (note, the file is called chest.png)

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Afterwards, a “Game Over” blob appears and later prompts you to start over (aka repeat the animations).

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Following the recent announcement that Fighter items and several Fighters will be getting reworks, Meddler has shown the first batch of changes to hit the PBE:

 

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Whats the scope of the Fighter item changes Are you only tweaking costs

We’re talking changes a little bit bigger than that, but not by too much. Few examples:

 

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  • Price decreased from 2750 Gold to 2700
  • Magic resist increased from 55 to 60
  • Now builds out of a Crystalline Bracer [600 Gold]  instead of a Ruby Crystal [ 400 Gold ] / Combine cost increased by 150 Gold

 

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  • Price increased from 2450 Gold to 2600
  • Armor decreased from 100 to 90

 

 

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  • Price increased from 2100 Gold to 2300
  • UNIQUE Passive now reflects 15% of damage + 25% of the user’s bonus Armor, changed from 30% of damage

 

Meddler Final PortraitRewards using Thornmail with other armor effects, allows the damage reflect to still be significant against enemies dealing much of their damage through on hit effects instead of raw auto attack damage (e.g. Vayne). Significantly weaker as a sole Armor item however. This is about as big as this set of changes gets by the way, most of the others are just stat adjustments, not functionality changes.

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Meddler Final PortraitOne update since there seems to be a bit of confusion: Thornmail’s not being changed to reflect on hit damage. It’s damage calculation is being changed to be less based off the enemies AD, with damage instead also coming from the target’s Armor, reducing the different in damage reflected for full AD builds versus on hit builds.

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Riot’s current Champion Update schedule features Darius, Garen, Skarner and Mordekaiser. Below is a discussion on what each of these smaller-scale gameplay updates will focus on:

 

 

Did these updates pop up in the rework schedule because theyre smallscale

Meddler Final PortraitYup, Poppy’s a full relaunch (Sion level of changes in terms of gameplay, visuals, audio etc). The four champs added to the update list today by contrast are all smaller projects with a gameplay focus.

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When will the reworks for Darius Garen Skarner be up on the PBE

Meddler Final PortraitOur aim is to release the Garen, Darius, Skarner and Morde reworks in the same patch, along with some changes to fighter and defensive itemization. As usual that’s not 100% guaranteed, it’s certainly what we’re trying for though.

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Meddler Final PortraitOdds are pretty high this stuff will be in 5.16.

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What do you mean by fighter and defensive itemization

Meddler Final PortraitA new item or two, plus some small (mainly) adjustments to defensive items (in general Armor items are getting slight nerfs, MR items slight buffs).

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Why are so many reworks being released at the same time

Meddler Final PortraitDeliberate choice to pair these reworks with the item changes.

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Whats the scope of Mordes rework Will he get a Visual Update too

Meddler Final PortraitMorde’s a moderate sized update (bigger than Garen, Skarner or Darius). His skills are still pretty similar, but all have at least some degree of adjustment, with a push in more of a bruiser direction. We’re not going to be giving him CC or mobility though, we feel lack of those, in exchange for some otherwise pretty inappropriate stuff (that ult especially), is a key part of Morde’s identity.

We’re with you that Morde could do with a visual update. There are other characters we feel need the work more though on the art side, so he’s a way down the priority list (Poppy’s the primary art intensive project on the Champion Update team right now). We’re going for a mainly gameplay update as a result, since we’ve got kit changes ready to go (with some limited visual effects changes to support them as needed).

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Do you still plan on making Mordekaiser more bruiseroriented

Meddler Final PortraitTankier, more sustained damage/close range damage, less burst combo.

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Will Darius rework be up on the PBE next week

Repertoir New PortraitThey should all go to PBE at the same time barring unexpected complications with one of them.

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Will you fix Darius E to not pull enemies who dash out of range

Meddler Final PortraitWe will be changing Darius’s E so that it checks for targets to pull at end of cast, not start (so no more flash away but still get pulled).

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What will be the scope of Skarners rework

Meddler Final PortraitSomewhat bigger than Garen, though not dramatically so. One of the biggest things we want to do in his case is give him a clearer niche when his ult’s on CD.

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What aspects of Skarners kit do you plan on changing

Scruffy Final PortraitThe general way you play him will feel very similar (though with some pretty major QoL improvements in the new passive area). The changes are gonna be more focused on giving him a more unique contribution to his team/playstyle. Effectively expect that most of his current skills will remain in tact.

Next week will answer all of the questions when he’s on PBE for testing.

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Will Skarner become more unique after the update

Scruffy Final PortraitThis is actually the major goal of the upcoming changes. Giving him some totally new things to bring to his team/the game.

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Will Skarner get an updated lore and a new Champion Spotlight

Scruffy Final PortraitFor expanded lore, yes at some point. I don’t know the exact dates though (not on the narrative team sry).

Don’t think there’s a new champ spotlight in the works right now but I know they would like to redo the one’s for reworked champs when they have the time.

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Will Skarner still be able to carry games if hes ahead

Scruffy Final PortraitYea these type of immobile bruisers (morde, skar, darius, garen) should reach pretty carry status with the amount of tankiness and damage they need to make up for their lack of mobility or CC tools.

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Tarics rework should have higher priority than Skarners update

Repertoir New PortraitTaric needs a whole lot of work on the visual side as well as gameplay. Skarner could get a lot of gains on mostly the gameplay side. As a result, Skarner was able to be completed first. This isn’t really a matter of Skarner instead of Taric. They’re drawing from two different resource pools. You certainly won’t be playing Taric in the next months, but he’s actually coming along really well and I’m super excited for him.

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Goals for Garens rework

Meddler Final PortraitWe’ll be talking about Garen in detail soonish, few initial comments in the meantime though:

  • Garen’s probably the lowest scope project on that list, with the addition of a new mechanic to his kit and some noticeable power curve tuning as key elements for him. Somewhat larger gameplay changes than MF, significantly smaller than GP.
  • Changes to Garen are very much being developed with the item changes in mind.
  • Very with you on the value of distinct benefits for bringing a particular champion to a team. We’ve got something else in mind for Garen though that doesn’t overlap with other objective controllers (ult on monsters would give a very Cho/Nunu sort of feel).

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Will Garen be a reliable tank or will players be expected to build for damage

Meddler Final PortraitOur approach with the primary tags on each character is generally to reflect what a champion is trying to do in a fight, rather than how they build. Garen’s there primarily for damage for example. He does bring a little bit of CC, and he’s happy to soak up some damage where he can, but his ideal goal is to spin on someone then ult them for a kill. Tanks by contrast, even if they’ve got similar builds, tend to be much more focused on setting up the enemy team for others to kill and/or protecting their own team. Lot of disruption basically, most often through CC.

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Postrework Garen will still have his silence because it can be avoided

Meddler Final PortraitThat’s pretty accurate as to our thinking on silences (can be a good fit on champs where there are things you can do to avoid the silence, generally not appropriate on characters who have the tools to silence you with really high reliability). Garen’s keeping his silence as a result, for while it’s click to hit it’s also a melee ability and he doesn’t have a dash/jump/blink.

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Will Garen still be new player friendly

Repertoir New PortraitGaren should remain a good option for beginners after his changes (possibly better in some ways). I wouldn’t worry too much about his level of difficulty skyrocketing in his update.

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Offtopic What about Yorick Hes a fighter in need of a rework

Meddler Final PortraitWe believe Yorick needs a full scale relaunch, not just a small to moderate gameplay update. He’s behind Poppy, and likely Taric in the queue for one though. Also possible we might opt for Urgot before him, depends on how the early exploratory work on each of them comes along.

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Why doesnt Poppys rework have priority over the other fighter updates

Meddler Final PortraitThe bulk of the work that needs to be done on Poppy at this point is art/sound/VO. These other reworks by contrast are gameplay updates with the minimal amount of other work needed to support kit changes. Delaying these won’t help Poppy get out any sooner as a result, these are updates that are being done in parallel with full relaunches, not instead of.

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Is Poppys rework still in development

Scruffy Final PortraitThe poppy project is bigger than these 4 and it’s being worked on by a different part of the champ update team. These won’t slow her down.

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Whats next for the lore team

Jaredan Final PortraitWe’ve got a lot left to do, I’ve stated that on numerous occasions, and Burning Tides wasn’t ever meant to be the panacea for all the issues we are striving to tackle. What I hope it does is give an idea of the quality bar we are trying to lay down.

We have a lot of things to do, including rewrites and expansions of old bios and current character introductions, but we feel like we are on the right path, particularly as the response to the kind of template for the new introductions has been received so positively. We still have layout stuff to sort out, but the style of content seems to be resonating and we think it’s a good start.

But that’s all we consider it to be. We want to get many more stories to you, combined with a stronger basis and understanding of our Champions and the world they inhabit. Burning Tides has just made us more determined to do that.

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Do you think disabling Gangplank has been received positively

Jaredan Final PortraitIt’s been controversial, we knew it would be and we knew we were taking a risk (and by we, I mean Events team, the Narrative folks involved, and Riot) but we’ve actually received a lot of praise for doing so. That doesn’t mean I think everyone has been happy, and for players who feel badly treated, hopefully we can make things right, as mentioned by the official response.

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General EU Improvements July 2015

MicroBr3W Final PortraitHey awesome people!

TL;DR: There have been connectivity (including drophack) issues in EU for the last few months. We have recently implemented some improvements, and we have some additional improvements in progress.

More details…

Over the last several months, connectivity to EU game servers has not been stable for some players. This includes disconnects, “drophacks”, unable to reconnect, and ghost games. (see our previous post on drophacks here:http://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/ErvzMk1Y-increase-of-drophacks-may-2015)
Rioters from both EU and NA offices have been working closely together to identify specific issues and design solutions to protect your connections to LoL game servers.

Because much of what we have implemented involves security measures, we won’t go too deep into specifics. The Bad Guys™ read these boards as well, and we don’t want to give them any hints on how to be more annoying.

Here are some of the improvements we’ve rolled out, some globally and some specific to EU:

  • Tighter restrictions on network traffic able to reach Riot infrastructure. This is where, unfortunately, we must be vague. Just know that these restrictions provide more protection against drophacks and the random disconnects you might have experienced previously.
  • Server-side code optimizations have resulted in lower average load of game server processes. Not only is this just a good thing to do for energy conservation efforts, it also provides more capacity headroom to absorb malicious burdens, such as denial-of-service attacks.
  • Improved infrastructure monitoring. A common thread here at Riot is “If you don’t know about it, you can’t fix it”. In this case, we have improved our visibility into server, network, and inter-connectivity metrics. This, in turn, allows us to dig deeper and find issues affecting smaller groups of players.

But we are driving forward with more improvements:

  • Riot Direct. The exercise of building out a network across a multi-country continent is an exciting challenge. The team has been working hard negotiating locations and facilities, configuring equipment, and establishing ISP connectivity. We’re getting close to lighting up those links for LoL players, carrying all of that important network traffic across an infrastructure specifically designed for resiliency and low-latency.
  • Continued investment in security technologies. Riot teams of client, server, security, and infrastructure engineers have been busy writing up roadmaps and testing hardware/software for security improvements. Capital investments are prepared for further distribution of our security protections.

So there is a brief summary of some things Riot has been working on to improve the EU play experience of LoL. We have seen definite improvements in connectivity with the implemented measures, and we are driving to further improve with the upcoming changes. We are very committed to providing an awesome gaming experience. Thank you for playing LoL and sharing our passion for this great community of players!

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Morello has taken a small break from his R&D project to answer community questions regarding champion concepts and where Riot is heading next.

 

Pick 5 Champions that you feel are out of date and in need of changes

Morello Final PortraitI’ll pick 3 :)

  1. Poppy: Poppy’s kit is abusable, has poor gameplay interaction and has low output on anything useful other than “don’t die, kill things.”
  2. Yorick: Similarly, Yorick’s impact on a game is damaging in a bad way, and he fails to accurately meet the Necromancer fantasy in a way I think we could bring to life (heh)
  3. Irelia: Sorry to say, but true. She’s the poster child for “outstat u” and I think League could do better at providing gameplay along with power whenever possible.

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What is the future of Game design and what is Riot Games role in that

Morello Final PortraitGood question.

Game Design wise, we’ve never done an awesome job of laying out a cohesive vision for the game and I think that’s a necessary but big challenge for us. I think that’ll be the next mountain to climb. We’re a culture born out of reactive firefighting, and need to learn to burn the candle at both ends.

Myself, I think the biggest milestone I’m personally happy with is 2012’s champion roster. While we didn’t solve everything, I think we did a lot to make champions feel thematically and gameplay-wise more different when compared to the 2011 roster, where there was a big trend of normalization. I’m also happy from helping grow the team from something small into something bigger, but that’s internal to Riot :)

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Does Riot actually plan on making any other games

Morello Final PortraitI hope so. That’s what I’m supposed to be working on every day right now :)

Apologies for being vague (need to be), but I can provide some color on what we’re interested in:

  • Genres we like to call “gamer’s games” overall – stuff you can really sink your teeth into.
  • For IP, I think doing only one or the other would be short-sighted. We’re working a lot to bolster League’s IP, so there’s opportunities there to make that come to life in different ways. Likewise, if that’s ALL we did, it might be too limiting for some concepts. Whatever it is should fit the game in question.

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Will this RD project affect League of Legends directly

Morello Final PortraitNot the one I’m working on, though it’s possible that we’d use an R&D process to solve some of the meatier or more isolated problems if we really need to reinvent the wheel on something.

Overall, R&D is a space where we want to have a lot of opportunity to go big or go home. “Fail fast” is a term we use to make sure we’re chasing things that are actually resonant and that actually matter, so I suppose that could be applied to a lot of things where a big discovery phase is needed.

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What exactly does RD mean at Riot

Morello Final PortraitR&D, for us, is a way of exploring things that are other products or games we should figure out the fit for.

In these efforts, we get a thesis for something together and try to work to understand if that’s something we should invest to quickly. This can be met with a lot of ambiguity, failure and reboots as we take bold, risky brush strokes at problems to gain information, which is why it’s important to be pretty tight-lipped about it.

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What are your thoughts on Riots interaction with the community

Morello Final PortraitFrankly? Personally? I think we’re too careful.

This is all well-intended (wanting to do the right thing in the right way), but in my mind, overthinking it can lead to unintended results. I’d rather have a quick scrap and hug it out afterwards than avoid the scrap. This is the way I think we avoid “big company entity” and “big playerbase” and gets us into “people and humans”. Without that, it’s hard to build trust or good relationships.

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Morello Final PortraitOne thing I’ll add is that I can say this at all without fear of reprisal is an example of Riot’s beating heart and soul, though. That’s the ever-present optimism for this that I have.

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What do you think an individual player Rioter could do to improve this

Morello Final PortraitGood question.

For players, I think asking for clarity and trying to contain rage is more inviting to the conversation, which makes people feel safer to post overall. The reason I tend to be so cavalier with it is the experience with the community and feeling “safe” to post. It’s earnestly hard to be motivated to get yelled at a lot :)

For Rioters, I think boldness and an understanding that the world won’t end if you say something a bit off-color is important. I’ve send some incredibly stupid shit in my time, and I haven’t been smote by a meteor.

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How much do you think the game will have changed in say three years

Morello Final PortraitIt’s hard to say from afar, but there’s always the line to toe of “evolution” vs “this isn’t League anymore.”

Personally, I think the game does a good job in being really deep on optimization and mastery, but I’ve always wanted to see more variety too. Maybe that’s naive at this point, but more possible ways to play would be one of the things I think would benefit LoL lots.

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Do you think Riot have improved on their champion design

Morello Final PortraitGetting better (Tahm Kench I particularly like), but I think we can go further with abilities that can be very powerful or fail spectacularly, like Bard’s ult.

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Morello Final PortraitI think more of the quality where things are less “clearly optimal” on some abilities and let players do janky or more creative things with those abilities.

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Do you still want the Drain Tank Fantasy to exist in League eg Aatrox

Morello Final PortraitI can’t talk in the detail necessary for this these days of what’s possible (since I’m not working on LoL these days), but I can answer the more philosophical question of Drain Tank.

I still believe Drain Tank can work, but I think it can’t be auto-attack based. AAs are sort of an automatic DPS meter you can fill when in your attack range, and have a lot of their own tuning.

Someone like Fiddlesticks might be a better model, if you made it so more champs could interact with his W and disrupt it. Then you get some back-and-forth between how he uses the skill, if you can disrupt it and costs/benefits to that. An AA-based drain tank will just stat check you and be a spreadsheet problem – something I think neither myself nor the LoL team is particularly find of since it removes a lot of the interesting decisions around it.

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What is your opinion on the new HUD

Morello Final PortraitI generally like the way it gets in the way less, but I’m still having to get used to where the info is. I’d have to see when my eyes settle in to it.

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Have you considered adding a champion that copy enemy ally spells

Morello Final PortraitWe’ve tried this before, but one major challenge that we have is no animations are “shared” other than some basic attacks (and even those have different timings). Imagine if you stole Garen’s Spin to Win and we tried to make LeBlanc do that with no animation, or had to make exponential animations to support that. We’d have to stop making all other content. :)

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Do you think Dominion will get an overhaul at some point

Morello Final PortraitI highly doubt it. This is a complex subject (I’ve talked about it in the past) but while we’ve learned a lot from Dominion, I think it’s hard to validate doing significant work on it.

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On the topic of heavy fighters in the meta, Meddler confirmed that new items to help immobile champions will be released in Patch 5.16 or 5.17.

 

 

Fighters are hard to balance because they share many Ranged ADC items

Meddler Final Portrait We’re on the same page when it comes to fighters and ADC item overlap, which makes it difficult to offer effects that are an appropriate fit for one class, but not the other. Removing ranged crit’s not the solution we’re trying out however, we feel that does add some important value to the ADC role. What we’re looking into instead for fighters are items that:

 

  • Are a combination of offensive/defensive effects and therefore generally of noticeably lower appeal to ADCs who want to go full offense (e.g. the revised Black Cleaver which has a significant part of its budget spent on health, something fighters are fine with, but ADCs often aren’t).
  • Offer additional rewards when combined with other defensive/partially defensive items (Atma’s Impaler back in the day was an example of this sort of effect. It did have some other issues and so we felt we had to remove it, we believe there may be some variants on the concept that work better however).
  • Help melee champions engage in a fight, or stick to targets better once in a fight, in ways that aren’t as consistently useful or accessible on ranged champions (Randuin’s and Phage are good examples of this category) .

We’re currently working on some items using the above approaches, which are intended in part to be good fits on heavy, immobile fighters like Garen, Darius, Udyr etc. More details to follow sometime pretty soon (patch 5.16 or 5.17 at a guess, so potentially hitting PBE 1-3 weeks from now, depending on how the rest of the work goes).

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Will the new items help out AP fighters

Meddler Final PortraitThis is AD focused work, we feel AP itemization’s in a generally good spot for now after the 5.13 changes.

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Will there be any changes to Essence Reaver

Meddler Final PortraitEssence Reaver we’ll look at when we work on ADC itemization.

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Do you characterize immobile fighters as those without blinks dashes

Meddler Final PortraitYeah, that’s the sort of distinction we’ve got in mind here, with heavy fighters being those without dashes/jumps/blinks. Fighters that have to fight, or at least walk past, the enemy front line, rather than diving onto their preferred targets.

Also very much a soft distinction, rather than a black/white mobile/immobile thing, particularly in cases where a champion’s strongest back line access is a longer CD ult (e.g. Shyvana).

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Meddler Final PortraitLack of burst mobility’s what we’re looking at here, as opposed to sustained or strategic mobility.

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Will we see these new items in the Patch 5 15 PBE cycle

Meddler Final PortraitWe’ve got a lot of stuff being worked on for 5.16 or possibly 5.17. As a result 5.15 will be a somewhat smaller patch than usual.

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Zyra might be getting some love in future patches in the form of afterlife:

 

 

What if Zyra could revive like Anivia if her passive killed a champion

Meddler Final PortraitThat’s a really cool suggestion, and a change that would fit well with Zyra’s playstyle and backstory. We’ll do a bit of experimentation with that sort of approach, see if we can get a version that plays well in game without being excessively strong. Can’t guarantee we’ll end up shipping any changes, definitely worth investigating though.

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How often does Zyra get to kill someone with her passive

Meddler Final PortraitI don’t have any stats on average Zyra kills with passive per game, though must admit I’m curious now. Anecdotally I’m guessing somewhere around the one kill a game mark. That’s not going to offer that many respawn opportunities, but that’s not necessarily a bad thing. Occasional high moments can create some really memorable games and a low rate of occurrence means that not too much of a champion’s power budget needs to be spent on such an effect. High variance effects can be tough to balance at times, since a really good or lucky player can sometimes achieve extreme results we need to balance around. In this case though given the setup requires death and the reward would be lack of death that might not be too much of an issue however (again, can’t promise this’ll go anywhere yet of course).

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What purpose do death passives serve on a champions kit

Meddler Final PortraitWe feel death passives can be the right choice in a couple of circumstances.

  1. High risk patterns that result in death frequently/where the best way to play is to expect to die in an even team fight. Post death passives here give you some chance for contribution regardless of how quickly you die and synergize well with the sort of actions you should be taking anyway (middle of enemy team or front of your own team). Sion and Karthus are the best examples here, with both often doing it right if they end up dead near the enemy team. Zyra’s fits this category slightly, as a squishy, immobile mage with moderate cast ranges, whose contribution drops off significantly after she’s used her CDs/seeds.

  2. When we want to offer a champion more power when they’re having a poor game than a successful one. If a character’s too feast or famine, absolutely crushing some games and failing to contribute anything in others, then a post death passive can be a good fit, since it offers more power to the struggling games. Kog’Maw’s the best example of this, with the passive being non existent in games where he’s stomping and a pretty reliable true damage AOE in games where he’s having a lot of trouble. Zyra comes into this category pretty solidly. She’s got a lot of damage between her plants and spells and regularly tops damage charts when having a reasonable game. She’s pretty vulnerable though when her spells are on CD/against enemies with the right tools to avoid them, so if she’s not having a good game she can end up dying a lot.

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How about giving Zyra a temporary revive like what Sion has

Meddler Final PortraitYeah, there are a bunch of approaches that might fit here depending on the power that’s appropriate and the gameplay desired. Main ones that leap to mind that we’ll talk about internally being:

  • True respawn at point of kill, point of Zyra’s death or back at the fountain
  • Temporary respawn at point of kill
  • Substantially reduced death timer per champion killed by the passive

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PURPOSE OF AUTOMATED PUNISHMENT SYSTEM

Lyte has outlined why the Mute feature alone doesn’t solve toxicity and why League needs an automated report system.

 

Why do we need an automated system when we can just mute toxic players

Lyte Final PortraitWe consider the “Mute” feature to be a last resort. When a player has to use the “Mute” feature, the damage has already been done. Your experience is already worse, you are already less likely to play another game, and you already don’t enjoy League as much as before. The “Mute” feature is a last resort to prevent any further harassment or abuse. Just because a feature like this exists doesn’t mean it’s OK for players to spew hate speech or be racist or verbally abusive. The vast majority of players in League hate these types of behaviors, and we should respect these players and not tell toxic players it’s OK to be dicks just because a “Mute” feature exists.

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Are you worried about trolls getting others player in trouble over flaming

Lyte Final PortraitThe good news is, we’re adding some Intentional Feeder Detection features into the Instant Feedback System in the next patch or two… so don’t worry, players won’t be intentionally trolling or using gameplay toxicity to “escape” the system soon.

Although the Tribunal engine is “machine learning” based, it actually has a lot of human checks in place. No system is truly “automated,” and for a player to be permanent banned they actually have to go through checks from multiple systems. Cases are reviewed by human Player Support staff all the time, and we do random checks on accuracy all the time, especially for cases that are “right on the line.”

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How often do punished players use hate speech make racist remarks etc

Lyte Final PortraitGenerally, players that get a penalty show a large pattern of these behaviors. Unless your 3 chat logs are severe hate speech or something awful like that, you will most likely never see a penalty especially if you’ve had 100s of neutral or positive games.

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Is retaliating to a troll or flamer considered toxic behavior

Lyte Final PortraitRetaliation isn’t OK. It just makes it a worse experience for the 8 other players. If there was a player that initiated, they are most likely punished as well.

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Is the Darius rework coming within the next 3 patches

Meddler Final PortraitIt’s very likely it will.

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Will Gangplank be nerfed

Meddler Final PortraitNo changes in 5.15 at the very least. Right now there are a lot of people playing GP who’ve never played him before and even those that have are having to learn some new stuff given the kit changes. That’s making it a bit hard to get a gauge on what his long term power’s like, initial reaction though is that it’s in roughly the right ballpark.

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How to swap between Bilgewater music and updated SRU music

Stephiroth Final PortraitAhoy, Summoners!

We have temporarily added the ability to toggle between Updated Summoner’s Rift music and Bilgewater music on SRU.

This option has temporarily replaced the ability to enable “Classic” music.

Summoner’s Rift Games will currently default to using “Updated” music, however you can switch it to Bilgewater music by navigating to the Sound section in the Options menu, and selecting the Theme Music as “Bilgewater”.

  • You may have some difficulty enabling the Bilgewater Theme to due a current bug with the HUD. To enable it easily, you will need to open the drop down, hover over it with your cursor, and use the Mouse Wheel (middle button/scroll button) to scroll down and select the Bilgewater option.

There are some bugs you may notice with the music currently. Notably:

  • When switching from Bilgewater Music to Updated Music, the Updated Music may play over itself twice. This bug actually existed with the Classic music option too, but we did not uncover it until recently due to the low frequency of players switching between music. We are investigating a fix for that to be deployed in 5.15 :) This won’t occur with the Bilgewater track, only with the Updated track.
  • You may notice the Victory/Defeat music is still Bilgewater music, even though you have set your option to Updated music. This should only occur at the End of Game Victory/Defeat banner.

If you have any questions or feedback, feel free to comment!

EDIT: Just as a note, you will only experience the toggle in Matchmade games on Summoner’s Rift. The Bilgewater music is not activated for Custom SR games, or games on any other Maps (besides Butcher’s Bridge).

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Will Windows 10 and League of Legends be Friends

DARTAGNAN Final Portrait Hey all,

The answer is yes! We have been been extensively testing Windows 10 here at Riot, and we will be fully supporting Windows 10. If you haven’t heard already, you will be able to freely upgrade to Windows 10 as long as you have Windows 7 or 8.1 (8 users need to update to 8.1) already installed. If you do decide to upgrade, here is what you need to know:

  • Make sure to check whether your computer meets the requirements for Windows 10
  • If you do update, Windows 10 should download all the necessary updates or latest drivers for your hardware automatically. If you do have problems afterwards, you may need to contact your computer manufacturer (Dell, HP, etc) or your hardware manufacturer (MSI, Gigabyte, Nvidia, AMD, etc) to manually download the latest updates or drivers. Since it was just released, some manufacturers may not have updated drivers/updates ready

NOTE: Older hardware not directly supported by its own manufacturers anymore may not have new drivers for Windows 10.

  • Make sure to play a Custom Game first after updating to make sure everything works normally! You don’t want to be in a Ranked Game if suddenly your mouse stops working

  • If you encounter any problems with League of Legends immediately after upgrading to Windows 10, make sure to run a repair first, to see if it resolves any problems. If not, try completing a full and clean re-installation as well.

  • If all else fails, make sure to submit a ticket! This way we can easily track any compatibility issues that may occur with Windows 10. Make sure to include the following in your ticket as well:


Lastly, if you are experiencing any issues, make a post with the following information filled out:

Operating System: Windows 10
Graphics Card:
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Meddler talks about the likelihood of Poppy being a dedicated tank post-rework.

 

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Poppy hasnt been nerfed because shes not a consistent pick ban in pro play

Meddler Final PortraitThat’s it in a nutshell. Poppy getting picked occasionally doesn’t worry us. Poppy as regularly played though, pick/ban especially, would be a problem. Because of that we’ve got a Poppy rework in progress, with one of the aims of that project being to make it so if Poppy’s strong enough to get regular play that’s fine, rather than something we feel compelled to deal with.

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Do you think Poppy should be changed from a burst champion to a tank

Meddler Final PortraitI do feel tank is a good fit for Poppy. She’s a determined, honorable, warrior who wants to be right in the middle of the fight. Her signature gameplay traits are a hammer smash, charging someone into a wall and being extremely hard to kill, all of which can fit well with the tank class (think more Sion as a tank, than Braum as a tank).

Certainly, she’s also got a lot of kill potential at present. Extremely hard to kill or CC, really burst champion with some mobility’s not a good combo though, and it’s only held in check at present since Poppy’s early game is atrocious and she’s kept a bit weak in general. Of the two sides of her we could focus on the tank/fighter side seems like a much better fit to me than the assassin/burst side.

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Will you keep Lolipoppys original splash art after the rework

Meddler Final PortraitI haven’t dared ask what the plans for that are nightmarish creation are yet.

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Isnt it boring for paladins to always be in the middle of fights and not do damage

Meddler Final PortraitI’m with you that honorable and middle of the fight aren’t the same thing. I’d describe both Ashe and Lee Sin as honorable in terms of personality for example, yet neither wants to be right in the midst of everything (Ashe wants to keep her distance, Lee Sin usually wants to be killing or ulting a prime target so spends more time around the edges waiting for his moment). In Poppy’s case though I feel both honorable and middle of the fight do apply.

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Meddler iterates on  the recently-mentioned Shen rework and mentions his Q and W spells will likely be completely changed.

 

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Why are TF and Pantheons ults not canceled by damage like Tahm and Reksais

Meddler Final Portrait Consistency’s something we explicitly wanted to avoid in these cases. The goal with Rek’Sai and Tahm Kench’s ults was to offer teleports that were used in different ways to avoid overlapping too much on what makes TF and Panth distinctive. Rek’Sai has no range limit on her teleport, but can’t use it to disenage easily, while TF’s much more slippery, but has a significantly shorter range and a noticeably higher CD.


Consistency’s something we do value in cases where it makes things easier to understand at a glance (e.g. the commonly used ‘you’ve stunned’ purple VFX above stunned champions’ heads). It’s not something we want to pursue whenever possible though. We want different champions to bring different tools to the game, testing different skills and creating different decisions. Additionally, sometimes a solution in one case isn’t appropriate for another (e.g. Lucian’s a spell cast heavy ADC whose mana costs become much less significant over the course of the game. Kog’Maw’s another spell cast heavy ADC, his mana costs need to remain really meaningful however).

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I find Shens Q having the same range as Yasuos Q to be very unthematic

Meddler Final PortraitMatching thematics with gameplay is something we put a lot of effort into, there are times though where we need to prioritize balance over lighter thematic expectations. Having a thrown weapon have the same range as a long spear stab or sword thrust is that sort of case (by contrast if Caitlyn, as a sniper, had a really low attack range that’d be a pretty significant disconnect).

As far as Shen goes we think he’s in a pretty effective spot right now and don’t currently have any plans to add more power to him. It’s also very likely his Q will be replaced or very heavily modified in his gameplay update (we’d like to give him a more interesting combat pattern for laning/1v1s and changing the Q will be a significant part of that).

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Do you think Swain is in a good spot right now

Meddler Final PortraitOverall yes. We’ve always been a bit suspicious that Swain might actually be too strong and potentially pretty oppressive if the right meta came along. So far though that remains just a theory. Swain doesn’t see regular professional play, but his balance is in a good spot otherwise. No current plans for him as a result.

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Will there be any changes to Shens lack of splitpushing or his Feint W

Meddler Final PortraitIt’s very likely we’ll keep Shen as a low waveclear champion, his inability to push quickly’s a really important safety valve on his ultimate.

Feint we’ll almost certainly replace outright. Odds are fairly high some form of other defensive ability will replace it, Shen needs some inherent survivability.

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Changes to the new HUD will be hitting the PBE next week.

 

HUD changes for next PBE build

Chager Final PortraitWe’ve received a lot of good feedback and have made some adjustments to the HUD to test out before the next release:

  • Cooldown timers now take the entire skill square (no longer circular)
  • We’ve made the CD timers go from full to empty to better show cooldown time (vs. fill up)
  • Off cooldown flash has been changed in color (gold) and reduced in animation length
  • Multiple sounds have been removed or softened (skill up, scoreboard open close, player stat window open close)
  • Some fonts have changed
    — Please note we’ve just implemented a new font system and are going through and tuning all the places fonts are displayed. There’s still a lot of polish left to do but we wanted to get it out and tested on PBE as we iterate
  • Changed crit and attack range in the character stats page (crit now displays in bottom left of base window and attack range in bottom left of extended stat window)

Things we’re looking to get out early next week:

  • Adjusting color of OOM and CD to have differentiated colors
  • Ongoing font work (both color/shadow and size/typography)
  • More space between ally portraits and minimap (and making portraits bigger)
  • Level up animation color differentiation and animation shortening

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-Chager

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Colorblind Mode is in a terrible state

Rayven New PortraitHi, we hear you! We are working on a TON of readability improvements for the next patch including:

  • Clearer, larger fonts
  • Text colors and styling (as well as darker bgs for contrast)
  • Full square ability cooldowns with a more readable color
  • Pulled way back on animation length and noise
  • A lot less blue
  • More negative space between elements
  • Larger team frames and meters
  • More readable stats
  • More readable spell pips

All that said, our internal colorblind testers (red/green) found the new minimap to be more readable than the old one due to the toned down bg. Are you having trouble tracking info on it?

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Can you not make pots fully gray when they cant be used

Rayven New PortraitWe might pull back on the fully grey pots. They’re grey in the old HUD as well, but not completely.

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Will we be able to move around item slots in the shop menu

Rayven New PortraitWe want this as well. Weren’t able to do it as part of this feature though :(

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The new minimap is weird and attracts my eyes when I dont want to look at it

Rayven New PortraitIt was jarring for us at first too, but in the end we felt things read better with the dim bg. Your feedback is noted though. LMK if you get used to it over time.

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The scoreboard is currently hard to navigate

Rayven New PortraitYeah we want to improve the scoreboard this patch. What else are you having trouble seeing other than MIA?

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The Champion stat icons for Attack Range and Crit Chance should be swapped

Rayven New PortraitThanks Throstus, we are swapping AR for crit and I’ll move that icon over :)

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The cooldown and outofmana animations look to similar to each other

Rayven New PortraitWe are doing a big differentiation pass on cd and oom. The funny thing is, they were both blue in the old HUD as well. Need to find the right balance though.

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Why was the scoreboard global kills towers moved to the bottom right

Rayven New PortraitThe concept was to get frequently checked strategic info in one glance rather than darting your eyes around the screen. I think we could have chunked info better for sure to cut down on the “clutter.”

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The shop menu takes too much space Can we be given the option to resize it

Rayven New PortraitYou can scale the Shop down by grabbing and dragging the bottom right corner – I agree it’s too big. I scale mine all the way down.

We are working on most of the contrast issues you mentioned.

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Fiora’s new ultimate has caused some balance concerns among the community regarding the lack of counterplay in spells that deal %HP true damage.

 

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I hope HP true damage doesnt become an overused mechanic in new kits

Meddler Final PortraitIt’s a mechanic we only intend to only use very occasionally (hence the 4 year gap between Vayne’s release with it and Fiora’s rework gaining it). It’s something we’ve explored on a few different prototypes post Vayne release, this is the first time though where we’ve concluded it was an appropriate fit. % max hp physical/magic damage or flat true damage are almost always the more appropriate tool for abilities that need to be limited against squishy targets/strengthened against tankier targets.

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Whatre your thoughts on Vaynes current state

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re pretty happy with Vayne’s current state. She’s a reasonable pick, especially if you build a team that supports her well. She’s got clear weaknesses though, and doesn’t offer things almost all other ADCs do. When you pick Vayne you’re choosing to give up various tools in exchange for her strengths.

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Ranked decay coming back on July 27th

Riot Mirross Final PortraitHey folks,

Last week, we temporarily disabled ranked queues and ranked decay so players wouldn’t lose LP while ranked was down. Ranked decay will be re-enabled return on July 27 at 12:00PM PDT in all regions.

The time that’s passed will still count against your inactivity period when decay is re-enabled, so if you’ve taken a break, make sure to play a game before July 27 if you want to avoid the LP penalty. If you’ve been playing consistently, this won’t affect you at all.

Ranked decay refresher:

Bronze, Silver & Gold:

There’s no decay in solo or team queues for these tiers.

Platinum & Diamond:

Solo and team queues:

After 28 days of inactivity in a particular ranked queue, you’ll be hidden from the standings in your league. You’ll also lose LP depending on your current tier. Every seven days thereafter, you’ll lose LP until you play a match in that queue particular.

Master & Challenger:

Solo queue:

Decay sets in after 10 days of inactivity to ensure competition continues at the highest echelons of League.

Team queue:

Decay occurs after 28 days to account for the difficulties of managing five (or more) player schedules.

Find out more about ranked decay.

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Riot’s LAN site has posted all sorts of digital Bilgewater-themed goodies:

 

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You can find a Bilgewater tournament to participate in and compete for rewards HERE.

 

TLDR: Bilgewater-themed live events are happening all around the world. Join the party and experience Bilgewater in a whole new way–and yes, there may be loot to plunder.

Special Bilgewater Boarding Parties are being planned and we need you on board. Be a part of history as you meet with other players and bring Bilgewater to life. Crew members who are victorious in combat (we mean tournaments) will be rewarded with Bilgewater prizing. If you’re part of one of the in-person Bilgewater Boarding Parties, there may be exclusive swag you can’t get anywhere else.

Be part of League of Legends history and bring Bilgewater to real life!


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These are special Bilgewater Boarding Parties organized and run by members of your local community. These events will take place between July 30th and August 9th at in-person locations around the world and online.

To register for a community-run Boarding Party head to the Community Events page, find an event near you (or online) and click the “Register” button. Be sure to read the event details for info on how to join in the fun. New events will be added as they are approved. Be sure to check back often to get the most updated list.

 

INPERSON TOURNAMENTS

In-person tournamentsMeet other League of Legends fans for a face-to-face tournament held in a real-world location near you. Competition takes place on the Butcher’s Bridge ARAM map or the Black Market Brawlers game-mode.




ONLINE TOURNAMENTS

Online tournamentsCan’t make it to an in-person Boarding Party? Then make your adventure virtual by joining an online tournament. These events take place on the Butcher’s Bridge ARAM map or the Black Market Brawlers game-mode.




INPERSON PLAY SESSIONS

In-person play sessionsIf competition isn’t your thing, look for a Bilgewater Play Session, a non-competitive opportunity to play on the new on the Butcher’s Bridge ARAM map and Black Market Brawlers game-mode.




Approved community-run tournaments are eligible for special Bilgewater digital prizing based on event type and size. Prizing will be awarded to the top teams in the tournament. Check out each event’s “Prizing” section for more information. Players must be registered for the event on the Community Events page to be eligible for prizing.


BILGEWATER SWAG

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DISCUSSION ON FIORAS REWORK

Game designers Scruffy, Stashu and Meddler explain the reasons for giving Fiora a % HP true damage passive and a teamwide heal for winning duels.

 

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Why does Fiora’s ult deal of Max HP true damage

Scruffy Final PortraitThis is actually something that we found was necessary for her to be able to compete with the tanky fighters in the top lane or team fights.

Being a squishy melee carry that cant just blow up the enemy adc like Zed or other assassins is tough. Letting her skirt around the edges of the fight and deal hit and run damage to the enemy fighters/tanks is an essential part of her viability.

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Stashu Final PortraitWe believe that though %HP true damage can cause frustration, there is a time and place for that mechanic, and there are two primary reasons why we decided to go with it in this case:

First, we want Fiora to win and loses fights by skill, not stats. Accordingly, no one can mitigate her passive damage, but anyone can avoid it entirely through skillful play. When Fiora loses, it’s because her opponent outplayed her through clever footwork and proper use of their CC’s or re-positioning abilities.

Second, the Grand Duelist takes on all opponents, and %HP true damage allows her to threaten bulkier ones without having an unfair advantage against the more fragile. If it dealt %HP physical damage instead, the number would have to be much larger to scratch through a tank’s armor, and that same number would mean instant death to unarmored opponents.

Though it may seem like the opposite, the mechanic actually protects many targets from the more dangerous alternatives — and though there are no macro countermeasures (like building armor), there is theoretically rich micro counterplay (don’t let her hit it). So while this still may cause some frustration, I hope this at least explains why it’s on the kit!

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What if youre playing a Champion without mobility like Garen

Scruffy Final PortraitYeah, it’s not equally rich across all champions. Fortunately, champions without high mobility spells or immobilizing cc’s often have the damage to beat Fiora if she tries to straight up fight them, Garen included. If Fiora is spending time moving between Vitals while fighting Garen in melee range, I expect that his basic combo should be sufficiently punishing to her.

This is not a catch-all answer, but most champions have some action they can take against Fiora, whether through dodging, stunning, or dumping damage when she exposes herself to risk. She will have particularly favorable matchups against certain champions, but that’s a part of champion-to-champion interaction in League. Of course, it becomes a problem when Fiora has VERY binary matchups, and to your point, this is something we’ll be on the lookout for.

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Stashu Final PortraitBasically: When Garen recognizes that Fiora is going to come in for an open Vital, he can ready his Q/E to punish her.

Fiora’s Q range and passive haste might be strong enough such that they invalidate this play, but that’s not the intention, and we can tune these things down to compensate.

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Do the weak spots rotate with the Champion or do they remain static

Scruffy Final PortraitThe passive stays locked in the direction no matter what. If the enemy turns or changes facing, it won’t affect the passive.

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The heal on Fioras ultimate makes no sense thematically

Stashu Final PortraitHey there! I just entered a similar discussion in another thread, so I’m going to paste it here.

Original [Durzaka’s] comment:

 

“Someone on Reddit actually explained it in a way that made some sense to me.

It is the idea of applause/victory reward at the end of a duel that you have won.”

And my thoughts on the matter:

“Yeah, this is the thematic tie-in that we were going for. Fiora’s duel, or ‘Grand Challenge,’ is a game defining moment for everyone, not just the combatants. Fiora’s team should care about whether or not she’s successful and be able to join in the celebration if she is.

Gameplay wise, adding reasons for Fiora’s team to care about her in important. Selfish champions can lead to degenerate teamplay experiences, whether they are winning or losing. Accordingly, by adding some team utility to her personal challenges, we can make Fiora a strong 1-on-1 duelist while keeping her team invested in her success. Heal might feel weird here, and I totally get that, but it was the most fitting tool in our box.”

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Its the idea of applause victory reward at the end of a duel youve won

Stashu Final PortraitYeah, this is the thematic tie-in that we were going for. Fiora’s duel, or ‘Grand Challenge,’ is a game defining moment for everyone, not just the combatants. Fiora’s team should care about whether or not she’s successful and be able to join in the celebration if she is.

Gameplay wise, adding reasons for Fiora’s team to care about her in important. Selfish champions can lead to degenerate teamplay experiences, whether they are winning or losing. Accordingly, by adding some team utility to her personal challenges, we can make Fiora a strong 1-on-1 duelist while keeping her team invested in her success. Heal might feel weird here, and I totally get that, but it was the most fitting tool in our box.

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Wont players just use the ult for the quick execute and teamwide heal

Scruffy Final PortraitThis is something that we worried about at first too, but there is a tradeoff. If you use R only for the heal you are missing out on a ton of damage from the 4 free procs. Burning an ult cooldown for an easier heal and no damage seems like it won’t become the primary use case.

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Why does Fiora get an AoE heal for hitting all the enemys Vitals

Scruffy Final PortraitIt actually fits quite well with the rest of the ult, I’ll explain. In testing we tried a BUNCH of different reward types (damage buffs, speed, cooldowns etc) for her winning the duel, and we found that there were a few reasons why this one stuck as the most useful and fitting.

-By the time she gets to that hard earned 4th proc, she is usually desperately in need of some heals (being a squishy melee carry)
-The “fight reset” elements of it give her this great “one down, who’s next?” feeling
-Too much immediate reward makes her into a snowball champ like katarina, so the reward is given over time instead of burst
-The team benefits from it so that when fiora calls out her challenge, everyone cares about her success. They might help by CCing the target or keeping her alive so she can win

I hope that helps explain some of the reasoning for how we ended up with this current victory reward. Play it and see if it feels right to you too.

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Do the 4 weak spots from Fioras ultimate rotate with her target

Meddler Final PortraitThey’re not based off the facing of the target (e.g. if a Vital point spawns and it’s pointing towards the top of the screen then it’ll continue to point towards the top of the screen regardless of where/how the champion it’s attached to moves).

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I feel the short reaction time on Fioras new W will make playing her a chore

Stashu Final PortraitI definitely share this worry, to some degree. [I believe] we tuned the block duration to be long enough so that Fiora doesn’t always need to twitch-block, but can often use the ability in advance, predicting her opponent’s move. We really wanted to create some cerebral play as well as some mechanical play.

In fact, in many cases cerebral play is required. For example, when Warwick is coming to gank Fiora, Fiora can’t re-actively block his R, but she can try to mind game him by casting the block right before she expects him to ult. It gets even deeper in other scenarios, such as when Jax is using his E — the Jax needs to guess when Fiora’s going to block, and Fiora needs to predict when Jax is going to stun.

Lastly, many champion’s key CCs have telegraphs, which should curb this ‘super-twitch-reactive’ element. Blocking Cho Gath’s Q for example, is much less stressful than blocking Irelia’s E. The hope is that these various uses will allow most Fiora players to succeed with ‘Riposte’ even without incredible reflexes. We’ll see how that pans out!

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Following the recent AP item revamp in Patch 5.14, the balance team might apply the formula to AD items.

 

Why did you overhaul AP items and not AD items

Meddler Final PortraitAP items being in a better spot already was actually one of the key reasons we chose to work on them first. One of the things we wanted to do with the first set of items we overhauled like this was to try and prove some theories we could then apply to future item work. Starting with a set of items that were in a better spot and where we had a better understanding of what did and didn’t work was valuable as a result. If these AP changes pan out as hoped (we’re still mid assessment at the moment) we’ll then look at what we can do with the other categories of itemization.

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Are there any changes planned for Essence Reaver

Meddler Final PortraitWhen we get to AD items we’ll definitely do some work on Essence Reaver (adjust it to make it a better choice or replace it with something more useful, not sure which yet).

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DETAILS ON SHENS REWORK

Shen’s update will likely be on the scope of Gangplank’s rework.

 

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Whats the scope of Shens rework

Meddler Final PortraitIn terms of gameplay changes, probably around Gangplank level (substantial modifications to about half his kit, some skills very similar however).

In terms of visual changes, still figuring that out. Some visual effects changes to support spells certainly, and potentially a model update, won’t be a full overhaul on the level of Gangplank or Tristana though.

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Will you be making changes to his splash art or ultimate

Meddler Final PortraitOdds are very high Stand United will remain his ult (might make some minor adjustments, but no fundamental changes).

As far as the splash goes I’m no splash artist, but I’d expect the biggest thing driving whether or not we opt for a new splash will be what sort of changes we do or don’t make to his model. We’ve been talking recently about whether we should make Shen look a bit tankier, so his gameplay and theme/appearance line up a bit better. If we decided to do that and made noticeable model changes we might then go for new splash art to match. Discussion’s still really early on what those possible changes might look like, could be small (bit of extra armor in the form of forearm guards or something similar) to much larger (more substantial amounts of armor while still matching his theme, significant adjustments to his physical build etc).

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Cassiopeia’s rework failed to capture the poison mage theme the team was going with and has been temporarily delayed.

 

Why is Stashu working on Fiora before finishing his Cassiopeia rework

Meddler Final PortraitStashu’s not working on Cassiopeia at present. If we do make adjustments to Cass in the short to medium term they’re much more likely to be done by the Live Balance team than the Champion Update team (so would mainly involve power shifts, rather than significant changes to how her skills function).

That’s the case because a number of months ago we took a look at the current state of Cass and concluded that it was more important to have the Champion Update team focus on other characters. That’s not to say we think she’s in a perfect spot. In particular, we realize there’s some very valid frustration that she doesn’t deliver as well as she could on the thematic expectations a number of her players have (poison mage). We do think there are other champions that need work done on them more however, so are focused on those at present, with Fiora being the most recent example. I realize that’s likely pretty frustrating to hear if you’re a Cass player that doesn’t like her new kit, and my apologies for that.

In terms of making that priority call that was a decision Stashu contributed some thoughts to, but didn’t make himself. Riot does have a culture that supports individual developers pitching work they think’s valuable/arguing for what they believe in, but it’s not a ‘work on whatever you want regardless of team priorities’ culture. Stashu’s stance was that he was eager to do Cass followup work or take on Fiora, whichever we thought was more valuable. The conclusion Champion Update and Game Design leadership came to was that Fiora was the better call in this case, since she was a character with a lot of room for improvement/cool stuff and had some notable issues. We also believed Fiora had the potential to be a pretty successful gameplay rework, based off some early exploratory designs Guinsoo had been doing before he’d had to shift focus onto other stuff.

That decision to shift focus from Cass to other champs is something those of us making the call on what work to prioritize should have mentioned months ago, apologies for that lack of communication. If anyone’s got any queries about how we make those sort of priority calls I’m more than happy to have a go at answering them here. I probably won’t be able to answer specifics about Cass’ current state of balance or what guided detailed decisions on her rework however (will give it a shot if I can offer an at least somewhat informed answer, there’s a bunch of details there I wasn’t involved with/aren’t up to date on).

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Will Taric get a new skin soon

KateyKhaos Final PortraitHiya!

It’s definitely been awhile since Taric’s last skin.

He currently has a VU in progress, which means he won’t be seeing a new skin until the VU is complete. The reasoning behind this is, we would rather hold off and give him an awesome skin once he’s shiny and updated, rather than giving him a skin with his current look and then changing it drastically. It’d be a really crappy feeling if you purchased the skin that would be on old Taric, and then you hated the updated skin because it lost the piece you really enjoyed about it.

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What about the Death Recap did you fix in Patch 5 14

Meddler Final PortraitPatch 5.12 and before: Death Recap’s not very functional. We identify that the biggest issue is that the right data isn’t getting passed to Death Recap to display.

Patch 5.13: We fix some stuff so death Recap now generally gets the correct data. That then reveals that Death Recap’s not sorting that data properly. That issue was there previously, but it wasn’t possible to distinguish that from data simply being absent, so we’d missed it.

Patch 5.14: We address the bug where death recap’s prioritizing small amounts of damage instead of large. Hopefully that puts it in a much better spot, if not it will assumedly reveal other problems we can fix.

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Darius will be receiving a minor gameplay update and potentially some unique new mechanics.

 

Can we have an update on Darius

Scruffy Final PortraitWe’ve actually come back around to the work that started 2 years ago and will have something to show very soon. Statikk picked up the darius project after he finished working on Gangplank, and it turns out we can make a lot of improvements for him without too many dramatic changes.

When it’s all done, he should have a more healthy + satisfying + some new unique stuff in his kit.

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I hope the ult stays the same

Scruffy Final PortraitAgreed, its pretty damn cool to just chop your enemies in half.

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Will he be getting a shield and a dash

Scruffy Final PortraitNo dash or shield sry.

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Update on Morde Rework Soon Banner

Mordekaiser is still slated for a rework and the team is currently debating on how to solve his mobility issues.

 

Any plans to make Mordekaiser viable

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re testing some really experimental changes for him at the moment that involve making it much more dangerous to be directly next to him. We have talked a lot about whether Morde should have some CC or more mobility. We concluded however that his lack of those tools was pretty definitional to his playstyle and an opportunity to potentially give him some effects we wouldn’t be able to do on a more mobile champion (in the same way that Nasus for example’s only allowed to have his stacking Q because he has trouble getting onto the targets he really wants).

Time wise within a month or two we should either be ready to talk about those changes in detail or be ready to say they didn’t work out and we’ve scrapped them. Worth noting that if we do them they’ll be very gameplay driven, so would only include visual changes as needed to support ability modifications. We would love to give Morde a visual upgrade in general, but have other champs that are before him in line for full overhauls.

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Can you tell us more about what Mordes identity will be post rework

Meddler Final PortraitWhat we’re currently testing is a more bruiser ish version of Morde, that builds somewhat tankier and doesn’t have as much front loaded damage. In playtests so far he’s still been able to put out quite a lot of damage in a short time frame, but he’s had to ramp up to it a bit first.

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Will you be making changes to his ultimate

Meddler Final PortraitMorde’s Ult will likely remain very similar to its current form.

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When you last made changes to Morde you said hed be more of a bruiser

Meddler Final PortraitWe did have a go at a similar approach when we were removing DFG. At that time however we only had a very brief period (one patch’s worth of development) to investigate and test changes. That wasn’t enough time to fix the issues we saw come up, or even investigate a decent range of approaches. We weren’t confident in the results of that work as a result, so ended up pulling almost all of it. This time we’re putting a solid amount of time aside for both experimentation and testing, so feel it’s worth taking another swing at that direction.

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How will the new Morde deal with being kited

Scruffy Final PortraitBeing an immobile melee with no CC does mean that you do get kited by champs like ashe or kallista. There’s two ways that we’ve thought about how Morde will be able to handle those types of champs/situations:

  1. More baseline defense – Morde right now relies almost entirely on dealing damage to stay tanky, which makes him even more dead when he cant get to target. We’re trying to bring up his reliable/baseline tankiness so that he can function better when he’s not winning already.
  2. Ally CC – This may sound like a bit of a cheesy answer but we really want Morde to be that much of a thread that allies and enemies will dread getting caught in CC when he’s nearby. If Nami lands that bubble, it’s go time for Morde.

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Do you mean Morde will have to rely on others to deal with mobility

Scruffy Final PortraitIt’s more like if I was talking about Janna (who has a lot of CC and very little damage) I would say that she is very good with ally damage. On the food chain of League of Legends, Morde will not bring the CC himself, but he does bring the damage. That will naturally pair well with allies that bring CC.

The end result wont be any farther on the “need my team to carry me” scale than amumu, janna, jinx etc.

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Are you thinking of making Morde somewhat more like Darius

Scruffy Final PortraitCloser to that sort of space yeah. We’ve got some ideas on how to reduce the ‘what do I do if I’m melee against this guy’ problem, we’ll see how they work out though.

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Will Morde receive a visual update with his gameplay changes

Scruffy Final PortraitThis time around he wont be getting the full shabang (like sion or GP) but he will be getting some small visual love to represent some of the new gameplay that he’s getting. Overall it’ll be mostly upgraded spell VFX.

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UPCOMING CHANGES TO PROMO MATCHES

 

How about removing promo series for divisions weve already reached

Riot Mirross Final PortraitThese ideas are good. We’re looking at making some changes like this at the end of this season. We’d like to reduce ambiguity around when demotion shortly after you’re promoted, as well as the pain points when you’re climbing back to a division you’ve already reached.

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Have you considered giving us a free win in promo series we’ve failed before

Riot Mirross Final PortraitYes. We decided not to make any mid-season changes, but this is something we’re planning to do.

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Wont these changes make it easier to climb and harder to fall back down

Riot Mirross Final PortraitActually changes like this aren’t going to increase the number of people in any tier overall. It’s a zero-sum game.

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Mastery Emotes will soon be visible to enemies, although they’ll still have an internal cooldown and will be affected by muting.

 

Werent Mastery Emotes supposed to be visible to enemies 3 patches ago

Riot Mirross Final PortraitWe’re are going to change this soon (not next patch, that’s already locked, probably one after) – it was mistakenly in a patch note, which caused the confusion.

We’re going to slightly increase the cooldown and make it respect muting before we make that change though.

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Socrates New PortraitHey dudes. The patch note for this went out early. Our bad.

When we tested this on pbe it could get a little spammy when abused. We decided to increase the cool down before going live with it. It will be appearing in one of the coming patch cycles.

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How about rewarding us with 500 1000 IP for achieving level 5 Mastery

Socrates New PortraitWe agree the rewards are probably too light atm for these achievements. We think we can do better than ip. Can’t share too much on this yet but it is something we are looking at.

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Lyte expands on the upcoming Team Builder Draft mode and answers community questions for why a vote feature to kick/leave Champion Select is still absent.

 

Team Builder is underrated

Lyte Final PortraitWe’ll be the first to admit that Team Builder “Classic” solves a lot of problems, but also has a few major issues that we’ve solved in the new Team Builder Draft experience. For context, Team Builder “Classic,” reduced reports by about 26%, increased honors by about 18%, and reduced negative/toxic chat by about 36% in wins, and 23% in losses. It also reduced leavers/AFKs by about 8-10%, I don’t remember that one off top of my head.

One of our primary goals in Team Builder Draft is to retain some of the benefits above in the design of the system, but invest heavily in solving the queue time issues and improving the matchmaking quality. We’ve also invested in the actual UI work so that it’s much faster to setup your team, play with friends and get into the game.

So far in testing where we bring players into Riot HQ to test Team Builder Draft, we’ve seen the vast majority of players prefer the experience over every other queue experience. So for now, we’re not going to encourage players to funnel into Team Builder “Classic,” and we’re going to see if Team Builder Draft is popular enough that it becomes the dominant Champion Select experience.

Happy to answer questions about Team Builder Draft in this thread.

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Whatre your thoughts on a votekick leave system for Champion Select

Lyte Final PortraitWe played around with a few “Vote Kick” designs before, and the results were surprising. First, let’s assume the design is a simple: players in Champion Select can vote to kick a player, and you need 4 out of 5 votes to proceed.

Immediately, we saw the behaviors change in Champion Select. One, players began using the “Vote Kick” feature when they didn’t like a particular team comp, when they felt like the Captain didn’t ban the appropriate champions, when players played off-meta champions, and sometimes when they felt the opposing team comp was better than theirs. This dramatically increases the amount of time it takes to get through a Champion Select and into the game as many Champion Selects fail out and you have to start over, and then players will complain about it taking 15-20 minutes to actually get through a Champion Select and load into a match. Now to play one game, you need anywhere from 1 hour to 1.5 hours of free time, which was way too high of a time commitment. Secondly, some scenarios with Duo Queues became even more frustrating, because if a Duo Queue group was being negative in Champion Select you still had nothing you could do to resolve it, and the situations felt even worse than before.

Some additional designs would be to give every player only 1 “Vote Kick” per day, but just giving 1 vote to every player increased failed Champion Selects by ~20%, which means that you’re now going through multiple Champion Selects just to get into a game. We also reduced the penalty for queue dodging before, which would make it “less painful” for players to queue dodge if they absolutely had to, but this increased failed Champion Selects by about ~30%, and again players started complaining about failed Champion Selects and taking too long to get into a game.

We think that Team Builder Draft will ultimately solve Champion Select issues better than most other features or systems, so we decided to work on that system first because it also solves a bunch of other problem spaces such as better retention and onboarding for low level players and giving players more control over their Champion Select experience. If Team Builder Draft does not improve Champion Select enough, we have some ideas ready to go such as allowing players to report when someone doesn’t play the position they specified, or allowing players to give us a reason (and specify a player) if they choose to queue dodge.

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Can we have an ETA on Team Builder Draft

Lyte Final PortraitIt’s a major change to the pre-game flow, and a brand new Champion Select, so we want to avoid this big of a disruption in the 2015 Season. We didn’t start too long ago, while we were researching and learning from lessons in Team Builder Classic we were working on a slew of features like Party Rewards (for events like the Pool Party), Suggested Players, LeaverBuster, the machine learning Tribunal and Instant Feedback System and the new Intentional Feeder detection that’s going out in the next patch or two.

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How will Riot encourage players to use the Team Builder

Lyte Final PortraitIf the live beta test goes well (and is similar to our lab tests where we bring players into Riot HQ to try out Team Builder Draft), it might be an option to replace some queues which will funnel players into the new experience. However, in the system itself we’ve introduced the “Fill” position which helps reduce queue times, and we’re requiring players select 2 positions (instead of 1) which also reduces queue times. If we have to, we’re also going to incentivize the high demand positions so you get a small bonus for playing them. We think these 3 things combined should solve the queue time issues nicely.

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Will there be the option to queue for every role in Team Builder

Lyte Final PortraitYou can queue up as “Fill,” which basically covers all positions. It’s a new position we’re introducing with Team Builder Draft.

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Context for Yorick Rework Delay Banner

Yorick’s rework is still a long ways off… you can bury your hopes again.

 

Why isnt Yorick a top priority for the rework

Scruffy Final PortraitI feel you on this, and agree that he is in dire need of an update. That said, we want to take the time to do him right and he is in early stages of gameplay design, concepting, and lore work.

Don’t expect him to come out before Poppy/Taric (both are much farther along), but do know that we are working on him and we are not gonna put it down until we finish. Yorick can be soooo much more than he is and I hope that you will like the results when he’s finally rebuilt from the ground up.

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Scruffy Final PortraitAfter Xelnath stopped working on yorick we didn’t end up picking it back up until very recently (march ish if I remember correctly, ah you linked it too). We definitely used some of his work as a starting point and have continued iterating from there.

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Details on Poppys Visual Update Banner

Poppy’s visual update won’t so much cater to seasoned Poppy players as it will draw in newcomers to the Champion.

 

What can you tell us about Poppys upcoming visual update

IronStylus Final PortraitWell, so good news and bad news:

Good news: Poppy will get a visual update. She’s in the same camp as Sion, Taric, Urgot, etc which will recieve complete overhauls which will not only increase fidelity and introduce a newer and cleaner design, but also will aid in clarify and mechanical expression. We did a lot exploration on Poppy and are happy with what we’ve got. She’s currently in the art production pipeline as her kit has been locked for some time. Now it’s a matter of time and the technical work of getting that new character to live in game.

“Bad” news: Poppy is shipping with a complete kit overhaul which will retain the spirit of Poppy, and utilize some signature abilities, but will probably vary pretty significantly than current Poppy. Think of the same way which we wanted to retain the “feeling” of Sion while keeping virtually nothing of his existing kit. I’e played her, and she’s really, really fun. I think players old and new will find a home with her. I think that’s what’s going to bring her into a place where she’ll be loved by passionate players but also new players alike.

So shipping the visual update probably isn’t going to turn people onto existing, present-day Poppy as much as it will excite people to try what is fundamentally a brand new character which takes what we love about Poppy, amplifies it, and makes her more cohesive. Our goal on ChampUP is to excite enthusiasts, to get at what the real and visceral emotional attachments that bind them to a character and hone them, making that feeling more clear, maybe even stronger. Often that means pretty substantial change, for multiple reasons. Unique identity, clear role and play pattern, character/kit/art cohesion, among other things. A sub-goal is to bring that character up so at the very least new players are aware of the character and can approach it comfortably. To bring that champion back into some rotation even if it’s with a smaller but dedicated slice of players.

The team is very excited about Poppy. I’m happy to have been part of her development and can’t wait for people to get a hold of this take on her. Though things change, the spirit is there I feel.

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Are there any upcoming champion changes that don’t involve VUs

IronStylus Final PortraitThere is a kit change in the works for Shen, with that comes our investigation as to how much visual changes (model, animation, VFX, etc) have to go towards facilitating the gameplay overhaul. We always ask the question about scope. How much scope does this need, and how much do we want it to have? We currently are exploring ideas for a new base design for Shen, but this for the moment remains an exploration. It might be beyond scope lets say to redesign his base. But, if we deem it a substantial opportunity, or something that really needs more art resources to make the new mechanics work, then we’ll scope the project up.

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Even if Riot pick up a fan idea for a skin they wont spoil the surprise

Kindlejack Final PortraitPretty much what I was going to say.

However I can give you more context on how we go about choosing what projects to work on. When we have a meeting to ideate on thematics and champions for skins we always bring up relevant fan concepts and take note of how much player support they have garnered. We never just say ‘This concept got 8k upvotes so let’s make it’ but if an idea is popular it will at least be considered in the spread or used as a starting point for a design. I would say skins team (with people like Whist, Galetta, Nurse Flan and KateyKhaos to name a few) keeps a close eye on fan concepts, not just on the boards but also on the Chinese/Korean/Garena sites. Riot Penguin also takes player requests on the weekends just for fun, but they are often pretty great ideas (Armoured Annie plz).

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Is this your approach for fanmade champion concepts

Kindlejack Final PortraitNo, skins are additive in that we can create one knowing that there will be more in the future. Champions are absolute, once they launch then that’s it. The champion team spend a lot longer crafting a champion and it’s a collaborative effort between art, gameplay and narrative. I’m not on that team though so I can’t give you as much insight.

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Whatre your thoughts on the fan idea for a Firedancer Draven skin

Kindlejack Final PortraitI brought it up when we were working on Pool Party Draven. It was decided that Gladiator Draven already had fire particles and ‘Firedancer’ didn’t fit enough into the ‘Pool Party’ theme. I’ll bring it up again next time there is Draven ideation because I still think it’d be a great fit for him.

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Do limited time skins ever come back

KateyKhaos Final PortraitHiya!

We have both limited and legacy skins.

Legacy skins will periodically come back to the store. Examples of these are Kitty Kat Katarina, or Poro Rider Sejuani. Limited skins are removed once the event is over, and there is no guarantee they’ll return to the store/be made available again. These would include skins such as Rusty Blitzcrank, Championship Riven and Victorious skins (Jarvan, Janna, Elise, Morgana).

You can find the full list of both legacy and limited skins here.

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Hippalus mentioned that Championship Riven may return to the store

KateyKhaos Final PortraitYup! Hippalus did say there’s a possibility. :]

“Yes I think Championship Riven will come back someday. Most limited edition skins took four years to come back after release, and it’s been two years for Riven so far.”

As far as I know, the statement still stands.

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Are World Championship skins classified as Legacy or Limited

KateyKhaos Final PortraitSure! Championship Thresh and Shyvana are legacy, as well as the commemorative Championship team skins, such as SKT, SSW, etc.

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Will we be able to get skins like Silver Kayle or Black Alistar eventually

KateyKhaos Final PortraitHiya!

We deactivated the older skin codes to due 3rd party sites scamming players, claiming they could buy rare skins like PAX TF, when in fact, they were given fake codes, or codes that had already been used.

We informed players in advance that we were doing this, so if they had codes hanging around, they had the opportunity to redeem them before the codes were deactivated. you can check out more information about why we decided to deactivate the codes here.

I agree with Chat97 that there is some uniqueness to having a skin from beta, or even Victorious skins from previous seasons, and selling them now would leave bad sentiments to those who earned them during x event.

I understand the frustration that arises, especially if you’ve joined the game, and don’t have the opportunity to buy/use these skins, however, at this time, we do not have plans to make these rare skins (Silver Kayle, PAX skins, etc.) available for distribution/purchase.

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Fan Art Tristana by Meltedjujubees

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Fan Art - Riven by Songoanda

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