- 25/11: Rek’Sai, Eternum Rek’Sai, Champion Changes, Poro Ward Skins
- 25/11: “Legend of the Poro King” Game Mode, Champion and Item Changes
- 21/11: Winter Orianna, Champion Changes, Texture Rebalances
- 19/11: Five Skins, Poro Summoner Icons, Balance Changes
A few changes I missed between the recent PBE updates.
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The recently-introduced game mode, “Legend of the Poro King”, has received a HUD update:
The stacking Dragon buffs have received a few changes:
- The bonus AD and AP from the Tier 1 buff has been decreased from 8% to 6%;
- Tier 2 and Tier 4 buffs have swapped places.
I’ll say it straight. You guys were right on some of this stuff and helped us understand our limitations we’d created. It’s a hard ship to turn, but I’m glad we are doing it.
A big +1 to this from me. We’ve been pushing on some particular things for new champions as you’ve mentioned and player feedback calling out where we should improve/where our past releases have sometimes fallen short of the mark’s been enormously valuable.
Also wanted to say thanks for the thread. Discussion can get pretty focused on what’s problematic at times, and while that’s really useful to hear it’s also very helpful to cover the what’s going well side of things sometimes too.
For these champions, even being more unique, they have a purpose and goal around HOW they evolve the game. If we get to the point on that for an Invoker-style champ, we’d consider it, but not for its own sake.
The intent behind Nautilus’ damage on W being split between the initial impact and a follow up DoT is to make getting some attack speed rewarding, but not mandatory (e.g. if Wit’s End is in a spot where it’s considered a useful item to pick up on some champs it should be worth considering on Nautilus, without being a ‘get this or fail’ item).
That’d be an option if looking to buff Nautilus certainly. He’s one of the junglers the live balance team are currently tracking to see if they’re too weak given the jungle changes. Main question to ask would be whether there are better places to put power on him instead if he needs it – which buffs address where he needs power, when, leave build options open where possible, give him a distinct niche as a tank etc.
It does not, with one or two specific exceptions (e.g. Cho’s E as mentioned below, which is called out explicilty on the E’s tooltip). Size modifies how easy you are to hit with various abilities, whether line skillshot, ground targeted or whatever and can make it harder for enemies to target your allies instead of you, it doesn’t inherently change your stats or abilities though.
Auto attack range is calculated from the edge of your hitbox, it’s also calcuated to the edge of the enemy hitbox however. From the perspective of how far you can hit from the center of your model your auto attack range does increase as your model gets larger, the range you can be hit at also increases however so your effective range doesn’t change (e.g. a Lulu ulted target can attack targets slightly further away, but can also be hit by enemies slightly further away as well).
My hunch is to go more into the.. um.. well.. sorta hybrid succubus, seductive vampire-like sorta thing. I would make her a literal vampire, but I feel she needs that shadowy, creature of the night feel. I’ll say right up front that I’m not a fan of the BDSM look, I also think that’s kind of a misnomer because it’s hard to simplify a sexual affinity into like.. a single look. Don’t get me started on 50 Shades of Grey. puts gun in mouth
All that said, the other full time concept artist on the ChampUP team, Lonewingy (concept artist for Nami & her skins, Azir, and part of the Rek’Sai team also) is focusing on Eve. I leave it to her discretion because shes a better everything than I am.
Again, we’re still really early on in development, so there’s still no solid direction.
Intent is that the tunnels are visible through fog of war once you’ve seen them once. Goal there is to make it possible to hide tunnels for future use while also ensuring enemies are able to track tunnel locations once they’ve discovered them.
As far as the tunnels themselves go there are team indicators on them (color of mist emerging from them). I get the impression from your post those are too hard to read at the moment though?
Slightly longer version: We spent a bunch of time working on Ao Shin but ultimately concluded he wasn’t hitting the mark so put him on hold for a while in order to figure some things out. We still think his concept’s really cool, as is some of the stuff we were trying with him, so do intend to make him someday. Don’t expect to see him anytime soon though, we’d rather be slow, but do a better job of delivering on his potential, than quick
That’s a process some other champs have also gone through (Lee Sin, Elise and Azir for example), where it took a few different takes to hit on what we felt was the right one (Lee Sin originally as Blind Monk way back pre launch, Elise originally as Priscilla the Spider Queen, Azir originally as Seth the sand mage), ultimately yielding better champs in the long run we feel.
His name’s certainly something we’d want to talk about, assess whether ‘Ao Shin’ is still a good fit for the final version of him we get to. Can’t offer you any thoughts on likelihood of that though at the moment, it’s not something we’ve looked at yet.
Internal names can be pretty placeholder ish at times and many champs spend a while being referred to as something else before we figure out a final name for them. Sometimes that’s a moderately serious name like Seth, sometimes it’s something jokey (Vel’koz was ‘Professor Eyebeam’ for a few months for example).
The Institute of War is no longer in the story world. Champions who are inextricably tied into the IoW as a core part of their motivation will be receiving changes. Champions who have some mention of the IoW will be receiving relatively minor edits. Summoners are not what they were as their prime interaction with the story was through the IoW. That does not mean that the concept of Summoners will never be seen again within the story world, they just won’t be taking the same role as previously. So nope, Summoners are not deleted from Runeterra.
I can understand the confusion. We want to reveal things through the course of Runeterra’s story rather than through mainly biographical content or by outlining plot points that would undercut stories when they are released. Also, frankly, there are things we just want to explore more and hone until we think they meet our increasingly stringent measure of quality. In other words, we’re making a lot of changes to level up our storytelling and to get more stories to you.
Since September, we’ve released story content pertaining to the Shurima event, Azir and Xerath, The Harrowing, Kalista and Rek’Sai. We’ve learned lessons from all of them and we’re attempting to deliver stories with more regularity and consistency through the end of the year and 2015. We have a couple of technical challenges, and we’re working to ensure an increasingly high quality bar, which means sometimes we just look at a story and decide we need to work on it more before it can go to players.
We’ve got a lot to do, and I know the “we’re working on it” posts can be infuriating as I’m not able to provide all of the details that are requested for an array of reasons.
FInally, Jax is cool anytime, anywhere.
> We’ve got a lot to do, and I know the “we’re working on it” posts can be infuriating as I’m not able to provide all of the details that are requested for an array of reasons.
All due respect, the anger stems from a lot more than just “we’re working on it” posts. It’s that you say you’re working on things, but we’re not seeing the results we should be expecting.
• Of all the short lores posted on the PBE (Shurima and Shadow Isles), we’ve seen two full ones (Azir and Xerath, and only after much pressure) and one reverted (Maokai). We’re still waiting for the other 14 (Amumu, Rammus, Skarner, Ezreal, Cassiopeia, Renekton, Nasus, Karthus, Mordekaiser, Thresh, Evelynn, Elise, Hecarim and Yorick). Are these stories ready for release or are you lot still “working on it/them?”
• Of the new champs and reworks, we’ve seen Kalista (possibly under duress) and Sion (a mistake by someone).
• Singed, a champ whose story has been broken since the first Soraka rework (September 2012), was only just acknowledged as a “problem” very recently. Yet, we see no foreseeable progress from Riot/Narrative in fixing his story after 26 months.
I’m sorry for any “snarkiness” found in this reply, but how can we trust you guys when you “say” that you’re working on things when we’re not seeing any progress on this and the myriad of other issues Narrative needs to deal with?
We still haven’t got the tech issue sorted. Kalista came out on the boards because we couldn’t get her story out in the way we wanted, but putting those stories out on the boards just isn’t ideal so we don’t want to do it for all of them. We put the stories out because it’s what we desperately want to do. We’re not being forced to do it against our will, which would be odd.
The stories for the Champions you outline are at various stages of completion. Some are done, some are in final revision stages (mostly heading into tech edits), some are being rewritten. All of them have had initial treatments that have either moved forward or haven’t yet met targets for quality.
After we’ve released stories for Shuriman and Shadow Isles Champs, we’ll be looking at stories for Champions not tied to any specific faction, particularly for Champions who are currently inextricably tied to the IoW. Other Champs who have contradiction issues will be given attention also.
If you’ve been paying close attention to recent events, you’ll have a good idea of where we’ll be going next in regard to the next larger story in Runeterra—which we’re also currently working on.
We want you to share your ideas on what you would like to see from Champions who will fall into the areas I’ve outlined, and we’d love to read and join in discussion wherever possible, but I have to be honest: if the main thrust of the ideas are tied to the IoW then it’s very difficult for me, or other members of Narrative, to engage with them. We’ve outlined where we are headed and we’re committed to developing Runeterra as a story world in the way we’ve laid out.
Also, we are not going to be giving you early breakdowns of stories before we tell them as that would defeat much of the purpose of the stories themselves.
You and I in isolation, as well as members of the Story and Art community and Narrative, have disagreed on some of the changes made this year, and I’m sure we will have differences of opinion on some of the stories we tell in the years ahead. I’m trying to be as open as I can be, while being responsible to the work being done.
Until we are releasing stories at the pace and quality that the community is looking for, and that we are working towards, we will have recurring discussions on the issue that can become more annoying because it’s hard to give you different answers to ones that have already been provided. The stories will be the answers, the details and the points to discuss, and until we have a large enough number of them it’s difficult not to feel like a broken record. That’s completely our responsibility and one I take very personally. We have started on that journey, but we have a long way to go.
I know you’ve heard this before, but it’s honestly where Narrative as a team is currently, and it’s all I’m able to divulge right now. We’re evolving our team, our processes, our means of delivering stories in different media all in order to get more, better stories to you.
Whenever I’m able to give concrete answers, I will, but I hope the frustrations of a lack of specificity will diminish mainly due to compelling stories.
So something interesting came up in this thread:
Namely, a discussion around hair. Yes. Hair.
Bur seriously, there’s a thought swimming in my head about slanting Taric a little more “modern”. Even the term “metrosexual” came up, mainly referring to a well-kempt, good looking gentleman that’s fashionable and, for lack of a better term, “modern”. Some of my explorations lean this way. I’ll emphasize explorations as this is super early concept stuff.
In part II of this discussion…
..we talked about visual reference, asking what people were looking for in our favorite gem knight. A lot of fancy paladin art came up, sort of standard fantasy fair. The traditional suit of armor that’s nicely ornamented and beautiful. But, it begs a question. What can separate Taric out from a standard paladin? One idea that’s been floated in giving him that “modern” twist I mentioned. What does this mean? Well, it can mean a lot of things. One thing is his hair. Hair often can define modernity and current fashion trends. The way I perceive it is that the poof that Taric sorta has now dates him quite a bit. The suggestion was made to give him more of a modern cut, and therefore, give him more relatable, and current, style.
I’m wondering that maybe we don’t stop there. Maybe we push him to feel “modern” and fashionable all over. I’m not talking about futuristic, or runway high-fashion, but I’m wondering if it’d be a valuable exercise to ask for ideas about what people think a “Modern Paladin” could look like. Maybe supply some images that stress Taric’s beauty and charm, but also set him apart from sword-and-sorcery fantasy. Not that that sort of fantasy is bad, but I’m looking to see what sort of spin we might be able to put on Taric that isn’t just an armor set. I think exploring fashion, modern trends, and more contemporary looks might yield some results.
What do you think?
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