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(Disclaimer: While I am a law student, I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice.)

 

When in-game behavior carries consequences in the “real world,” many people start to wonder what limits, if any, companies like Riot have when policing user accounts. Ultimately this boils down to those pesky “Terms of Use/Service” (TOU/TOS) and “End-User License Agreement” (EULA) windows we have to click through every time a new patch is released.  

I see these terms being thrown around in-game and on the forums, and despite my efforts to correct player’s misconceptions on what the TOS and EULA actually do, the misinformation is rampant.  Hopefully this will help clear up some of the confusion!  The article centers on a question relevant to all League of Legends players:

 

What exactly are you agreeing to when you play League of Legends?

 

In this article I will quickly explain how the EULA and TOS are legally enforceable contracts, what the differences between the two are, and finally how they apply to the average player. I cannot stress enough that while I am doing a legal analysis, I cut through a lot of legal mumbo-jumbo and make conclusive statements for the purposes of entertainment. If you need legal advice, please speak with an attorney. 

I. Clickwrap Agreements
Just about every time you install a program, download a patch, or purchase from a website, you have to pass through a threshold of “agreements.” 

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Many of these agreements are called “shrinkwrap,” “clickwrap,” or “adhesive” agreements - where you don’t see/understand what you’ve agreed to until after you’ve already agreed to it. For example, many online games only allow you to see the TOS after you’ve bought the game, but before you can play it online.  A better example is a website, where you’ve already “agreed” to their TOS just by being on their site. 

Clickwrap agreements tend to have certain characteristics:

    • Clickwrap contracts are usually offered on a “take it or leave it” basis. In many contractual agreements, parties can negotiate over the terms of the contract, but in clickwrap contracts, the user has no bargaining power –they can either agree to all the terms or none.
    • As discussed above, click wrap agreements often apply post-transaction. For example, some companies (such as AutoDesk) typically don’t allow people to resell their software – but a customer might not know that until after they’ve purchased AutoCAD, and are going through the installation.

If your knee-jerk reaction is similar to what mine was, you might be thinking, “is that really a legal contract?”  Because let’s be honest, if you’re like most people, you simply don’t have the time to read every agreement you accept online.  Even if you read most, there will often be terms that won’t make sense until you start using the service/software (e.g., how many people could understand what “riot points” are prior to installing League of Legends?)   This part of why EULA/TOS are often considered to be adhesive contracts – most of us have no idea what it is we’re agreeing to.

So are these even legal?  The short answer is: Usually. There are, however, some limited exceptions:

    • Explicit Agreement: The rule of thumb is that a user must explicitly agree to an agreement before it becomes enforceable. If you don’t make an explicit act showing you are both aware of the terms and you agree to them, they are unlikely to be enforceable as a contract. While this isn’t exactly a problem for Riot (you have to click “I Agree” every time a new patch comes out), it is a notable exception to many software agreements.
    • Outrageous Terms. If there’s something absolutely ridiculous and unexpected hidden in the fine print (for example, the “immortal souls clause” that granted a British game company 7500 “soul-licenses”), that term or the whole agreement may be rendered invalid.
    • Application to minors.  In most situations, if you’re under the age of 18, you lack capacity to enter legally binding agreements.  This may provide an exception to click-wrap agreements in some situations, as the contract may be voidable

The takeaway is this: Clicking the “I agree” to Riot’s Terms of Use and End-User License Agreements probably creates a legally enforceable contract.

II. “EULA” vs. “TOS”

So since we already have no idea what we’re clicking, why are there so many boxes?  Why not just throw it all into one box and get it over with?  Although many portions of the EULA and TOS overlap, there is a fundamental distinction between each type of agreement:

EULA: EULAs govern the use of the software itself.  This is useful to stop unauthorized use of the game, as well as to disclaim liability for what it does to your system.

  • Example: Hosting your own “League of Legends” world championship, with dedicated servers to boot, would likely be a violation of the EULA if you used Riot’s software (and probably some intellectual property violations as well).
  • Example: Riot’s EULA would probably prevent them from being liable if League of Legends overheats your cardboard toaster. Which is really the best outcome for everyone.

EULAs are often extremely broad in what they cover.  Interestingly, Apple’s EULA for iTunes explicitly disallows use of their software for the development of weapons of mass destruction:

Apple v. Estate of Hussein is still pending.

TOS/TOU: The Terms of Service governs the use of a particular service offered. In Riot’s case, some of the services offered are the ability to create an account and a means to use that account via access to their servers. While you are using their service, you are expected to follow their rules – otherwise, they may terminate your access to the service, as per the  agreement. Most players will only be concerned with the TOS.

  • Example: Going idle or AFK in-game often enough can result in temporary or permanent suspension of your ability to access Riot’s servers, because you’ve agreed to allow LeaverBuster to monitor in-game activity.

The main difference between the TOS and the EULA for players is in the types of violations, and what Riot is able to do in terms of punishing players who breach these agreements. For the most part, the TOS will impact a user’s access to the service.  The EULA, on the other hand, will impact a user’s access to the software.

TOS Violations:

Say you’re having a bad game, and decide to spam “**** you all, **** ***-skilled *******s!!!” a few dozen times in all-chat. Assuming this violates the TOS, Riot’s punishments all involve your account’s use of the service (remember, the service is access to their servers) even to the extent of permanent bans. This is where I see a lot of confusion, especially when players argue for methods (such as uninstallation) to combat toxic behavior – they confuse the accounts for the players, and the service for the software.

Players are only able to access the service through an account, and thus, can only violate the TOS through the use of an account (the notable exception to this is browsing their website, but that is beyond the scope of this article).  The way Riot has their TOS set up, the account acts as a real-life shield for players – both for good and for evil. The account provides a layer of privacy protection and facilitates a pseudo-anonymous experience, a great benefit for online interactions. On the downside, it makes it very difficult to penetrate the account and punish players directly – especially when it’s difficult to prove that it was that player breaking the TOS (e.g., you’re in the middle of a match when you have to answer to door (it’s your turn to pay for the pizza), and when you get back to your computer, you find that your roommates have been soliciting some of the female characters in a manner rather inconsistent with that of a gentleman).

Under the TOS agreement, it is unlikely that Riot could force removal/uninstallation of the software. And the way Riot’s current TOS is set up, it would also be difficult  to enforce an IP ban (should Riot wish to implement such a penalty, it may be possible, but the TOS would likely need to be reworded).

EULA Violations:

A forced uninstallation (i.e., an injunction) could only occur through a EULA violation (although this doesn’t stop vigilante players from wishing it to upon less-than-desirable teammates). The terms of the EULA are much less relevant to most players.  However, they do clarify an interesting point: violations of the EULA would probably end up in court (or “mandatory arbitration”). This is where Riot would claim you’ve somehow overstepped the “fair use” of their product, perhaps by selling downloads to unsuspecting users, or attempting to “reverse engineer” their game to create your own, etc.  They’d be suing you for damages, injunctions, and possibly attorney’s fees, depending on the nature and extent of the violation.

To date, I have yet to see any pending complaints by Riot against any of their players.  Suing your customers is not the custom and practice of most business entities, and on top of that, Riot tends to be more forgiving to its player-base than most companies in the industry.  If they have had issues with EULA violations, it’s likely they have been taken care of using cease & desist letters – very common in the realm of IP violations.

TL; DR: The Terms of Service and EULA are legally enforceable contracts.  If a player violates the Terms of Service, their access to the service may be suspended but not necessarily their access to the software – that would require a violation of the EULA.

 

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Recently some of the big names in American sports have been under fire for using performance enhancing drugs (PEDs).  From A-rod to Armstrong, PEDs are starting to look so common that many argue that to compete without them sets one at a disadvantage. Yet in eSports, the issue is almost never mentioned. And while the idea of taking steroids to enhance your video game playing performance seems pretty pointless (do you even lift?), I want to make the argument in this article that there are PEDs that ought to be discussed, if not regulated, in eSports.

I’ve divided this article into three parts: First, I want to look at PED policies and regulations in the Physical Pro Sports to provide some context. Second, I will argue that there are some PEDs that may impact the performance of Professional Gamers. Finally, I’ll tie it all up by applying the analysis of the physical Pro Sports PED policies to the context of eSports, and exploring what solutions might work better than others.

Before beginning I want to quickly point out that I’ve limited the scope of this article to performance enhancing drugs as opposed to recreational drugs. While there’s obviously a lot of overlap, the analysis tends to be pretty different and would warrant its own article.

 

PED’s in Physical Sports – Regulating ‘Roids.

 

Historically, of the four major American physical Pro Sports, Major League Baseball has had the most issues dealing with performance enhancing drugs. Just after the mid-90s MLB player strikes, there was a significant boost in anabolic steroid use (that strangely correlated with a number of record-breaking streaks).

But despite baseball having the most association with steroids historically, all of these sports have dealt and continue to deal with PEDs. In fact, the issue was gaining so much attention that Congress threatened to start regulating PED testing themselves, as well as reevaluate the antitrust exceptions sports franchises have so liberally enjoyed. Why are PEDs such a big deal, one might ask. Amongst many safety and image concerns, the driving motivation behind PED bans is: to preserve the spirit and integrity of the game.

In response to the threats from Congress, different leagues instated different policies. In the NFL (arguably the least-restricted league), all players are tested at least once a year, never during a game, and almost always in the off-season. In the NBA (arguably the most-restricted league), players are often tested frequently during the season, and sometimes even in the locker room right after a game.  The MLB and the NHL are somewhere in between.

Penalties for PEDs are very league-dependent, ranging from a slap on the wrist “name and shame” to years of unpaid suspension. The type of PED and the number of prior offenses all weigh into the penalties given. Unfortunately, these policies may not be as effective as the leagues would hope. MLB’s “Mitchell Report” indicated that most PED use is going undetected.  Most recently, sports leagues have been going after the producers and suppliers of PEDs for tortious interference with the player-contracts.

Steroids in particular are extremely difficult to combat. Teams and coaches have every incentive to “look the other way” because of the benefits the drugs bring. Anabolic steroid chemists are staying ahead of regulations, with a huge demand to change the drug enough to avoid detection, but not enough to lose its effects. Finally, the leniencies of league policies allow many drug tests to be duped or avoided completely.

 

From Physical Sports to Virtual Sports – Are PED’s an issue?

 

While steroids aren’t exactly an issue for eSports, they are not the only performance enhancing drug on the market. For example, in 2012, almost half of the NFL’s PED-related suspensions were due not to steroids, but to Adderall (that’s right, PED-related, not recreational related). Many prescription drugs such as Adderall and Ritalin are banned by most sports leagues (the notable exception being the NHL), although leagues do hand out exemptions on a case-by-case basis.

Adderall is considered a performance enhancing drug for many reasons – the effects combat fatigue, allowing players to train longer and harder. The mental stimulant allows for heightened awareness both during competition and during practice. The enhanced focus enables play-learning and other strategic aspects to be more easily retained. In fact, the amphetamine class was specifically tailored by the US military during World War II for these very reasons – fighter pilots in particular showed great benefits from amphetamines during combat. And ask 1 out of any 3 college students, and you’re sure to get a similar response.

But Adderall is not the only issue. Several over-the-counter energy drinks (albeit requiring an over-18 or over-21 ID, depending on the state) are prohibited by many major sports leagues. Dozens upon dozens of prescription medicine, from stimulants to painkillers, are heavily regulated in sports. Anything that gives a player an unfair advantage is an issue – and many of these drugs have serious potential for eSports, where mental acuity and stamina are some of the most important skills a Pro Gamer can have.

Here’s my point: as eSports progresses and professionalizes, as it has been doing in great leaps and bounds over the last decade alone, should league officials start to be concerned with performance enhancing drugs? I think they should. When players are able to gain significant advantageous over each other for non-medically related substances (or abuse of those substances), we start facing threats to the spirit and integrity not only of the game, but of the industry.

 

Crossing Over – What can eSports learn from its physical companions?

 

The first lesson is clear: don’t wait until it’s too late. By the late 90s, players associations had such control over drug testing and had so many privacy policies in place, it has been an uphill battle for leagues to get control over PED usage. While having enhanced performance certainly attracts more viewers, it does so at a very high cost – the integrity of the game.

Of course, how regulation should occur is difficult to say. What should or should not be regulated? Illegal drugs? Prescription drugs? Over-the-counter PEDs? And Should teams agree to urine tests periodically during worlds? Or is once a season enough? These are all questions that will need to be dealt with, and there are no easy answers.

The penalties are easy enough to cross over from the physical sporting world – suspensions are already the prime form of punishment in eSports, and would likely be the preferred sanction for PEDs as well.

Fortunately, the amount of control eSports leagues in general have over the players and teams is high enough that any problems with PEDs can be easily squashed – important, no doubt, to maintain a certain image for eSports. But as eSports grows, and as the money involved starts piling higher and higher, how much more incentive will players have to use PEDs to gain that competitive edge?  In physical sports, regulation is very difficult. It does not have to be that way with eSports – if eSports leagues can get policies in place and cooperate with sponsors, team owners and venues from the get-go, detection, punishment and prevention should never be an issue.

 

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Disclaimer: While I am a law student, I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice.

California has recently passed a law that will allow minors to effectively “take back” statements they say online. The bill, which will go into effect starting January 1, 2015, will require

the operator of an Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application to permit a minor, who is a registered user of the operator’s Internet Web site, online service, online application, or mobile application, to remove, or to request and obtain removal of, content or information posted on the operator’s Internet Web site, service, or application by the minor

Reading further into the bill, it is important to note that “remove” doesn’t require deletion – it does, however, require the service provider to restrict public access to the statement. California State Senators have called this an “eraser button” for minors, who may not fully understand the damage they could do to themselves by making spur-of-the-moment, off-the-cuff posts that they don’t mean. Many speculate this is a response to the Justin Carter case, to help protect hot-headed children and increase online privacy.

What does this mean for League of Legends? The biggest glaring possibility is that the California bill could give California minors an “out” to tribunal action. Riot is an operator of an online service (self-admitted in their Terms of Service), and all users are, by Riot’s own terms, required to register in order to use Riot’s services. So, in theory, California minors should be able to request the removal of comments they write in-game – never to see the public eye.

This would probably include the removal of content on tribunal reports.

Even the purpose of the California bill seems to be to allow this type of removal – toxic comments are typically made in the heat of the moment – I don’t know anyone who hasn’t typed something they haven’t meant, without thinking, say when a teammate throws their silver-to-gold 5th promotion match. So does that mean California minors have a “get out of the tribunal free” card?

Possibly. The tribunal has a couple things backing it. First, Riot could argue that minors have waived that right by agreeing to the ToS. This is a weak argument, since it is unlikely a California court would allow a minor to waive this right at all. Second, Riot could argue that the fact that the chat is anonymous protects the privacy of the minor. This could work, depending on things like a.) the purpose of the tribunal action, b.) the impact and degree of the minor’s language, and c.) whether the courts view LoL as a social media outlet (unlikely).

What do you think? Should the California law give minors an out to tribunal action? Or should Riot still be allowed to post content by minors to be judged by the community?

 

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Disclaimer: While I am a law student, I am not a lawyer, and this is not legal advice.

 

Part of my own legal education has been the study of Professional Sports law (in the United States), so I decided to do a quick comparison of regulations and punishments between some of the major US sports organizations to Riot’s eSports organization.

In this article, I’m talking about professional League players in the eSports setting; not your everyday bronze scrub.

 

The Original Setup – Rules and Regulations in Physical Pro Sports

 

In the four major US sports (NFL, NBA, NHL and MLB), the rules and regulations are set up sort of like a corporate hierarchy: you have the Commissioner at the very top, who controls most aspects of the game itself – the schedule, regulating officials, league-based discipline, etc. The Commissioner’s power over the league and its teams is set forth through a League Constitution  (similar to a corporation’s bylaws). However, these constitutions don’t directly dictate the relationship between teams and players – those are set up contractually.

In each of these sports league constitutions there is a clause called the “best interests of the game” clause. It basically gives the Commissioner the authority to do just about anything as long as the act is in the best interests of the game as a whole.

 

A New System? – Rules and Regulations in League of Legends

 

Unfortunately, Riot’s eSports regulation setup isn’t publicly available, and most professional player contracts have a non-disclosure clause. With the  lack of available information, the best we can do is apply current sports law concepts and see how they fit onto Riot’s eSports infrastructure.

In League of Legends, the setup is very different from the club/league “franchise” arrangement most other professional sports use, but the outcome is essentially the same. Riot effectively takes on the role of “league commissioner,” exerting direct control over both the game and the teams simultaneously.

The biggest difference is that instead of holding “commissioner” power through a league constitution, Riot seems to be given that power contractually – teams sign lengthy contracts that give unilateral control over League events to Riot – which seems pretty obvious. If you want to play their game in their tournaments, you have to agree to play by their rules.

Ok, so instead of becoming a commissioner through a “league constitution,” Riot becomes a commissioner through individual contracts. Is that really any different? The answer is yes.

 

The Differences – Advantages and Disadvantages of Riot’s eSports Setup

 

Setting up commissioner power as contractual agreements has advantages and disadvantages. It’s advantageous to Riot on several practical levels:

First, Riot maintains a direct relationship with the players – as opposed to professional sports law, where only teams and owners are parties to the bylaws, and players have no direct relationship with the Commissioner. Second, individual contracts allow a large degree of flexibility – great for different teams in differing circumstances (e.g. foreign teams). Finally, Riot could distance themselves from principal-agent situations with teams/players, which has  several benefits – not the least of which involves avoiding antitrust violations.

However, there are some legal disadvantages to having a contractual setup rather than a series of league bylaws. The first is that contractual damages are very limited. Harsh penalties designed to deter behavior don’t fly in contract law – if actual damages can’t be proven with certainty, Riot has no case. This poses a problem, for instance, with cheating – you want to punish cheaters even if cheating didn’t actually help them win, but a court will require you to prove that damage was done. This may explain why Riot caught several teams screenwatching last year, but only chose to penalize when they were certain it had an impact on the game.

A related disadvantage is the lack of a “best interests of the game” clause. In professional sports law, such clauses are kept extremely ambiguous on purpose, to meet whatever new situations can come up (e.g., dog fighting, gang-related signs… etc). It also allows for flexible discipline measures to be taken – commissioners can fine teams, revoke draft picks, or even force team ownership transfers outright.

But the ambiguity that makes the clause so valuable in a bylaw is also what makes the clause detrimental to contract law. Ambiguous words and phrases are difficult to enforce because it’s hard to tell if both parties really agreed to the same thing. (e.g., what exactly constitutes a “performance enhancing” drug? Is it limited to anabolic steroids? What about prescription medications such as Adderall? Energy drinks? Caffeine?). In some situations, courts can strike entire clauses from a contract for being too ambiguous – a pretty severe disadvantage.

Will we ever see any of these issues get raised in court? Probably not, as most teams and players are not in any position to negotiate or test any of the terms in their contracts. Their bargaining power is effectively nullified by the fact that Riot has a stranglehold on League of Legends – it is, after all, their game.

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A community idea for an anti-AFK system, the Mercy Vote, a quick update on Galio, Lyte on reinforcing the current Honor and Champion Select systems, a brilliant community compilation of suggestions to improve SR’s visuals and the latest Champion/Skin Sale!

 

Mercy Vote

Quick update on Galio

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Visual Overhaul: Summoner’s Rift

Champion/Skin Sale – Expires August 5th

 

 

Mercy Vote


 

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This is an old thread that only recently received attention from Reds. Let’s see a community suggestion to resolve the issue with AFK-ers in Ranked.



Do you believe that the toxicity of this community should change? Is cultivating a more positive gaming experience important to you? If so read on!


A Brief Look At Toxicity

People are toxic because the tools to be toxic are simple and readily available – the ability to control their character and communicate. Emotions tend to run high, and can negatively impact individuals when things do not go as planned. Over the years I’ve played the game I’ve seen a decrease in toxic behavior across the board. I believe that creating tools to be positive is to be credited for this – from the tribunal to the honor system and beyond. I believe that giving more avenues for positive behavior can continue to improve the community as a whole.


The Problem

4v5 games are painful. It isn’t fun for me to be on the losing side, knowing I’m about to waste 20+ minutes for no good reason. It isn’t fun when I’m on the full team, either. Unbalanced teams take a lot away from the strategic points of this game and lead to something much less interactive. Many players have tried to think of ideas to combat this, but inevitably ideas fail for the following reasons:

  • Too easy to abuse
  • Promotes trolling
  • Offers no incentive to be positive


The Proposal

What I propose, is a mercy slash command or ui element. This command will only be available to the team with 5 people, and only when certain conditions are met: There is a player that has been disconnected or idle for x seconds/minutes, AND the idle/disconnected player would cause unbalanced teams (a 4v4 would not qualify for mercy).

When the team with more players pass a mercy vote successfully, the short handed team will get a vote option popup to accept or decline mercy. If they choose to accept mercy, the game ends immediately. Instead of “Defeat” showing in game and on the match history, it would simply read “Mercy”. A mercy would incur less penalty than a defeat for the short handed team – whether it be lp, mmr, etc. The team that passed a mercy vote will also get a nice counter on their profile page next to the honor counters that indicate how many times they have passed mercy on outnumbered enemies.

The short handed team could also vote to decline mercy, and battle on taking their chances. If at any time the dc player reconnects or the idle player becomes active, the mercy vote is immediately nullified.

Now let’s get into how this type of system combats the flaws of other ideas brought forth by other users (as represented via bullet points above):

  • Too easy to abuse
    Since it is now the enemy team placing the vote, there is nothing that the 4 man team can do to abuse the system. They do not have the control.
  • Promotes trolling
    This system inherently promotes positive behavior instead. I’m much more likely to pass mercy on a team that remained positive than one that fought in all chat.
  • Offers no incentive to be positive
    This system offers a direct tie-in to the honor system, and can reap any rewards Riot chooses to do in the future (banners, icons, etc). This system mutually benefits everyone, as it allows you to end a game without wasting another 15-20 minutes if both teams use their votes to show that the outcome is already known.


Hot Points Brought Up So Far

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And how do you avoid rampant elo inflation?

This is a question I’d like to target more towards a red if I could, as it’s come up a couple of times now in the discussion. I know that as far as an individual’s own mmr goes this system over a long period of time would have them placed a bit more accurately to their proper mmr.

One idea to combat inflation, as stated by a couple of posters in this thread, is to simply apply the “floating” mmr loss to the person who left the game as an extra deterrence to afking or leaving. I question how much is too much with this particular idea, but would definitely like a red to get involved one way or another! Personally, I’d imagine something like -25% loss to the four people that stayed, and that -100% total loss that’s now floating around could be applied to the leaver. 200% total loss given to the leaver would prevent inflation, and as someone who’s experienced a couple power outages in my time (2 over the past two years) I don’t think it’s too much. After all, not only did you guarantee a loss for yourself but a loss for 4 other people as well! In this scenario, getting counted for losing 2 games if you leave 1 seems fair.

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Tell me again, how does this prevent someone from just leaving the game and saving people in their promo matches?

Well, it’s a voting system. Meaning if I’m on the winning team I’d have to believe that the match was worth a mercy. Not only that, but if I’m on the losing team I have zero interest in taking a 200% penalty just for a chance that random strangers don’t get impacted negatively from a lost game. Clearly this is a tool meant for solo queue!

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I truly believe that this tool could ONLY have a positive impact on the player base – allowing us to send out and receive more positive energy. If you agree, please bump. If you disagree, please state why so that we can work together to make this community better!

And now for the epic visualization concepts!


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 Reds’ Opinion:


Riot Baconhawk Button Rioter Riot Baconhawk: I just want to say this is an interesting concept and I’ll put it before eyes that are more qualified than mine.





A likely issue: Players harassed into leaving


Riot NeuroCat Button Rioter Riot Neurocat: I like the concept. One potential problem is that if you offer rewards (reduced LP loss, promo series loss nullification, etc), you create incentives for a team to harass a player performing poorly to leave. Even if the enemy team doesn’t actually decide to show mercy or the teammate you harass doesn’t actually leave, the tradeoff in the minds of the losing team is:


“I don’t harass my teammate and hope they leave” > ‘Guarenteed’ loss
“I harass my teammate and hope they leave” > Possible mercy, which means potential loss mitigation

The expected value for LP gain increases with teammate harassing behavior in that case.

However, I can’t immediately see problems with the system assuming mercy losses count the same as normal losses. This lets you end the game at 10 minutes if its super one sided, without forcing people to AFK in well.



Won’t the double LP loss discourage leaving?


Riot NeuroCatButton Rioter Riot Neurocat: Its true that the double LP loss on leaving is a strong disincentive to not leave. However, that doesn’t necessarily remove the incentive on the teammates of the feeding player to not harass. There probably exist some players who just don’t want to deal with the game anymore over taking that LP loss.




Wasn’t this system on the PBE awhile ago?


Riot NeuroCatButton Rioter Riot Neurocat: I believe you are referring to Equalize.
What would be interesting is if Equalize changed death timers in a way such that if it was a 4v5, if a player on the 5-team died, their death timer wouldn’t start until another person on their team died. Effectively always keeping one dead member in a state of “limbo”. Of course this would need to be completely opt-in on the side of the 5-team, but it could be a way to even out that disadvantage, if both teams want a fair match.

Just a completely unrelated idea  I don’t necessarily think its a good idea or something that we would implement (I don’t speak for those who would), but just an interesting thought.




Quick update on Galio


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A small list of possible improvements to Galio, courtesy of ricklessabandon, he who defies capital letters.



How about making Galio’s spells scale off of Magic Resist?


ricklessabandonButton Rioter ricklessabandon: I’m actually experimenting with something like that currently. Galio as he is on live effectively has Magic Resist ratios on his spells, which gives us the opportunity to do something different/additional with his passive if we think that puts him in a better state overall.

Once we start working on the 3.12 patch the PBE might see something from me, but that’s far enough into the future that plans could change.



Will this cause a power-shift in his spells?


ricklessabandonButton Rioter ricklessabandon: The plan is to look at him as a whole and make sure everything’s in a good state, so power can be shifted where appropriate.






Lyte on Community & Forum features


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A small update on Lyte‘s recent Player Behavior & Matchmaking discussion.



Suggestion: Detecting toxic speech in chat, bringing negative players faster to the Tribunal


Lyte Button Rioter Lyte: We have a team of analysts and predictive modelers who have been doing research in this space. There’s a lot of potential, but like I mentioned in other posts, we’d rather use our resources for more positive reinforcement systems like the Honor Initiative or our new Champion Select solution. So for now, we probably won’t keep enhancing the Tribunal to be even more accurate–we believe we’ve optimized that system to the point where we are hitting diminishing returns. There’s a lot more value to players if our team tackles a brand new space like Champion Select or Honor.



Can you resolve posts about non-tribunal bans made in the Ban inquires sub-forum?


Lyte Button Rioter Lyte: Hm, I’ll have to see what we can do with forums. Too much segregation among the sub-forums isn’t an ideal situation either.





Could behavior alerts be unnecessarily freaking neutral/positive players out?


Lyte Button Rioter Lyte: Yes, there was a huge concern among the team about whether behavioral alerts would scare some players and determining what is the impact or damage of a behavioral alert that is sent to a neutral or sportsmanlike player. We’re diving into the data and looking at these specific questions.




Visual Overhaul: Summoner’s Rift


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A community proposal to bring the visuals of League of Legends to a new level!



We all know that Summoner’s rift looks old right now, specially since the release of the new TT and HA…but, what are the most important factors that make SR look old, outdated or just ugly?

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Things that need tweaks, improvements or remakes:


Cliffs:


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This is the one that deserves urgent attention…the cliffs look so empty, most of them are nothing but a textured polygon…not to mention its side textures look like a Minecraft grass Block.

Suggestions: tweak the textures applied to the cliffs, make them look more “complex”…also, adding grass, trees or other objects on the top of cliffs would help to make them look better…


Trees:


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I know the game is famous because of the cartoonish and handdrawn feel of the game graphics….but the trees are one of the weakpoints of the game art…this is more noticeable in large groups of trees…
The main problems are:

  • The lower part of the tree model doesnt blend with the terrain (the trunks) and makes them look out of place
  • The proportions are messed up (trees need larger Crowns and smaller trunks)
  • The height of the trees needs more variety…I know there are visual limitations with this(so trees dont block champions or roads, but still…


Baron’s nest:


Baron


Doing baron is a very special event in a LOL game…but, visually, it doesnt feel that special…I mean, the Baron’s nest is almost a Copy-paste from the Dragon’s one….It needs to bring a more”Epic” feel than what it is now (its almost empy).


White torches: 


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I hated this ones since the SR visual upgrade, they just dont fit the map style….they look cathedral themed while SR is all about forests and wilderness…


Objects and decorations:


repetitive


Some of the map objects are overused, specially torches(as seen in the attached image)


Turrets:

Well…nothing to explain here, the turrets look very ugly and outdated compared with the HA ones
The nexus could get some love too…


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Things that must be preserved:

The overall “”Fairy Tale styled forest” feel of the map

Some people who are new to LOL dont know about this but this is one of the aspects that makes LOL unique.
Every other moba’s 5v5 map is dark-creepy themmed while SR is a forest full of flowers bushes and such…while some people think this doesnt suit the genre, I think its part of the magic of SR, and it would be a shame to lost it in a VU.

Keep the “Single themed maps” policy

Please dont turn the purple side into a dark dead forest like Hon and Dota did….it gives people another reason to not want to be placed at the purple/blue side…
This is another thing I love of the direction art of LOL…SR is a bright forest, TT is a dark forest, HA is a frosty bridge, Dominion is a Steampunk monopoly and Magma chamber is a Magma chamber (lol)….
Different variations of the same map would be awesome like the old ones (ex: Halloween SR, Winter SR, etc) or even day/night cycles (purple lighting for night, so it doesnt affect visibility)

Fountain Circle (Lazor range indicator)

This is a VERY important aspect of the game…it needs to be there so we know the range of the fountain Lazer…in HA, for example, this area is nonexistent and its very hard to tell the lazer’s range.

Map proportions

Personally, I think the proporsions of SR are close to perfection…thats why people can play the same map over and over without getting tired of it…theres no need to change this in any possible way.

>Support for low spec systems< – IMPORTANT

TT and HA destroyed some laptops and low specs systems to the point of becoming unplayable maps for some…meaning some people can only play SR and dominion now….I dont think they will be happy if they cant run SR anymore…a possible solution is adding more custom options to the visuals of SR (shaders?, lighting options?, etc).

Remember this first post reflects my personal opinion on the subject and not the absolute truth of what shall be done to SR in a future VU.

Feel free to add your own feedback on this thread!



Reworking the Golem camp area


RiotForScience Button Rioter RiotForScience: “I’d flip the golem camp so that the two golems face the other direction” -Weegee7

As a Nunu player I love the idea because I think it would make it really easy to steal blue. What were the advantages that you were seeing to this change.

“Do something with that random statue near the blue side Ancient Golem camp. It’s there for no reason.”-Weegee7

There are actually a lot of details like that in the current SR. I agree we could do a better job of making those elements feel intentional.

“1. i would love to see sr on night
2. interactive object, destroying boxes, barrels, caves, etc.
3. make it look like the new beta site backgrouds” -Lax Is Back

The readability of the playspace is more important to us than even the Aesthetic of the map. Night scenes are inheirantly tricky because of more limited visability. Perhaps a map with a lot of artificail lighting could work for a night scene.

We added a lot of destructable elements into HA. I expect that to be a continuing trend, that being said they are also really expensive from a performance standpoint. We are very careful about how additions like that will impact our min spec players.

Concerning the Beta Site background…. this is a point that I will probably need to make more than once because it is somewhat hard to wrap my head around. That specific piece of artwork is not concept art, but is rather a promotional illustration. It is intended to give an idea of what current SR would look like in real life. It is not “forward looking” and should not be interpretted in that way. That being said, I am so happy that you like that image. I hope that you can trust us that if we can make one great image we can probably make another great, but different image.



Prettying up the Jungle camps


RiotForScience Button Rioter RiotForScience: “The jungle camps’ creeps are plain ugly…. The trees are all the same in some way. I wish there were more variety of trees instead of just 1 kind” -MasterForce

Good points on both counts. TT uses a couple different trees but orients them in such a way that they never feel repeated. A combination of very unique art and clever reuse of art is our construction method.



Map Skins


RiotForScience Button Rioter RiotForScience: “I’d love for there to be map skins, if that’s possible…. I find that giant Rule 63 statue of Pantheon/Sheeva in both bases somewhat odd. The perfectly lined up houses, and houses in general seem to “unnatural” for a forest, all lined up perfectly. Also, why are their houses in the middle of a forest in the first place”


I love map skins too! I loved the winter map that we launched with. However, at the moment, the Environment team’s priority is getting all of our artwork up to the level of our most recent maps (HA, TT) Rather than providing visual variants on existing maps.

Concerning houses and Statues, The way we see quality is a balance between Aesthetics, Design and Narrative. In the future our map props will have a much stronger narrative connection.



Clear transition between types of terrain


RiotForScienceButton Rioter RiotForScience: “Since League’s indestructible terrain is kind of a big deal, it would make sense that it needs a clean boundary between the terrain and the paths, but it wouldn’t hurt to make the edges a bit less clean. Cosmetic saplings, short patches of grass near the tall stuff, etc. Hence the theme “nature vs. Summoners,” as the forest attempts to reclaim the Summoner’s battleground.

  • Have the lanes be dirt/gravel logging roads. Minion travel routes would be marked by especially packed earth/gravel, or a rut in the landscape.
  • Have the river flow underneath mid lane through grates or a culvert so that it actually feels more like a river.
  • All minions need complete overhaul
  • Different themes for each section of jungle/lane? One side is a pine forest, the other is deciduous? Possibly different seasons
  • Might be a bit much, but SFX for walking through grass/water would be awesome. Might be difficult for champs like Zac or Cassio but it would still sound pretty neato”

Good call. I love the idea of telling little stories in our environments. Signs of wear and tear on the roads, or overgrowth or signs of flowing water all contribute to the overall story of an area.



Changing the forest area


RiotForScienceButton Rioter RiotForScience: “You could make the battle happening inside a village/city, since you can’t juke between trees, they could be houses” -IS17f8587dd251c04bf0cdb

I like this idea a lot, our collision areas really could be anything. As a chunk of random trivia, a portion of Crystal Scar is actually set in a village. I think we could push that concept further.

“I personally feel “Summoners Rift” Needs a new makeover, not a visual update D: . Rift:Typical rift features are a central linear downfaulted depression, called a graben, or more commonly a half-graben with normal faulting and rift-flank uplifts mainly on one side. Where rifts remain above sea level they form a rift valley, which may be filled by water forming a rift lake. The axis of the rift area may contain volcanic rocks, and active volcanism is a part of many, but not all active rift systems. I feel there is so much more than just paved roads inside a forest landscape” -Brzink

I have to agree with you, I don’t think that the map shows much evidence of either summoners or their rifts. Something to think about.



Concept Art


Summoner's Rift Concept Art


RiotForScienceButton Rioter RiotForScience: I want to take a second to talk about this image. I have heard it described as “Concept Art” implying that at some point we would reconstruct SR using that image as a template. This is not the case. This image is promotion illustration to give you the feeling of what our current map would look like in real life. It is not forward looking. It is not, and will not be the basis for any future development.

That being said I am so glad that you like the art! Trust us that we have the team to produce work that is even better than what you see in this image. While we will not ever make this exact image. We will make something awesome.



Asymertrical Visual style


RiotForScienceButton Rioter RiotForScience: “I’d love it if SR was more asymertrical, I feel like blue and purple/red sides should have some sort of noticeable thematic difference (and if making a red and purple version is too much work, I don’t think anyone would mind getting rid of purple and making colorblind the default.)”


I really like what we did with Howling Abyss. One side has a distinctive Freljord style, and the other side has the silhouette of the Watches. To me this is much more distinct and readable than just a color shift. Great Point.



Follow-up: Art decisions on the Howling Abyss


RiotForScienceButton Rioter RiotForScience: We considered going right to left on Howling abyss. There is a visual hit that you take when you go to that orientation. It was eventually abandoned in favor of something more similar to the old Proving Grounds map. But I agree with you there are some design advantages to that decision. It is an even harder problem in the context of SR. If you flatten out the mid lane by rotating the map 45 degrees, you put the top and bottom lanes at 45 degree angles instead.

Concerning Lanterns, our current approach to environment art is to do as much unique custom art as is possible so seeing one prop so much that it is annoying is probably not going to happen anymore.



Weather effects, destructible environments


RiotForScienceButton Rioter RiotForScience: “I would love to see destructible environments, night and day cycles that are noticeable and weather effects like rain, snow and dust storms. Hazardous environments would be cool. And things on the map that act randomly that can push, root and knock up your champ in a non predictable manner. All of which impact game play in some form or another. Like dust storms could limit your view distance as would night. Snow could cause your champ to slide a bit. Lightning that would randomly reveal the fog of war in some parts of the map. Or acid rain that randomly leaves puddles on the ground that could damage you if walked on for a set amount of time”

Great ideas. Some of these have been on our radar for a while. We are trying to find the right application for varient gameplay modes.



Follow-up: Clarifying the statement


RiotForScienceButton Rioter RiotForScience: We will not add any novel gameplay into SR. We believe in the integrity of the map. Adding environmental Hazards, incidental changes to the fog of war, random events of any kind are completely out of the question.

The context of my comment was if we would ever add those ideas to any map, which we might. Most likely in the context of a brand new map variant. But we have no plans to do so.



Bring the towers from Howling Abyss to Summoner’s Rift


RiotForScienceButton Rioter RiotForScience: “The towers on Howling Abyss are profoundly awesome though — they should be considered as a basis for a new iteration”

I am glad you liked those towers. We were initially going to add them in a future patch, but one of the artists here felt like Howling abyss would be much better if they were included in the initial shipped level. He busted his butt to get them in and I think the map is much better for it.

That being said we would not use them as the basis for future towers because they are themed for the story of Howling Abyss. If you look at the towers you will see a lot of details that explain the conflict between the Watchers and the Ice-born. We intend for future towers will be specific to the context in which they will be used.

There have been several posts that focus on speculation about potential future projects. I would prefer that we keep this discussion to feedback on Summoner’s Rift. What do you like about the map? What would you like to see changed? If you could change something, what would you change it to be?



Visual improvements to Dragon


RiotForScienceButton Rioter RiotForScience: “Dragon should look like it comes from the same fantasy world as Shyvana.

Seriously, their anatomies are completely different. You guys need to decide if dragons in Valoran have two legs or four legs. There is very little consistency in this game’s art sometimes”

We actually deliberately try to separate creatures from champions. We want to keep Shyvanna’s dragon form unique to Shyvanna. I agree with you about consistancy. From an Environment perspective we are working to create a cohesive look to our maps, and that is going to be a ongoing effort.




Champion/Skin Sale – Expires August 5th


Sale August 5

Enjoy the following champions and skins at a discount until August 5th!


Champions:


  • Malphite – 292 RP
  • Malzahar – 440 RP
  • Syndra – 487 RP



Defender Leona – 375 RP


Defender Leona


Galactic Nasus – 260 RP


Galactic Nasus


Nemesis Jax – 487 RP


Nemesis Jax



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Patch 3.10 – Big Changes to Elise/Master Yi/Ryze/TF, New MR Items, Jungle Nerfs // Rioters discuss Skarner and Rengar!

Ask Lyte: Positive/Negative Players and State of Tribunal; Spellbreaker removed, Tristana’s E and Season 4 Changes!

PBE: Nerfs to Vayne and AP Lucian, Xypherous on Phage, Arcane Helix, LoL’s New Site, Update to Olaf’s Kit and the latest Sale!

PBE Updates explained, Morello on Janna/Aura items, Xelnath examines Rengar, Future Caitlyn

PBE: Golem Spirit Nerf, Morello on Poppy/Karma/TF/Jungle Issues, New Rengar buffs


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Xypherous brings the hammer down on Jayce with nerfs on the PBE, IronStylus talks future visual updates, LCS goodies in the store, CrabWizard sinks his claws into the new Sales policies and the latest Champion/Skin Sale!

 

Future Content: Reworks and Visual Updates

PBE: Jayce Ability Rework

LCS Icons and Bundles in Store

Changes to upcoming Sales

Champion/Skin Sale – Expires July 15th

 

 

 

Riot logo decorationFuture Content: Reworks and Visual Updates

 

IronStylus gives us a list of the next champions to receive extensive updates.

 

 

 

 

 

IronStylus Button Rioter IronStylus: There indeed is a lot to be learned from our experiences on each of these characters. Going forward we’ve incorporated a lot of input we’ve received, internally and externally in regards to each character you mention.

 

However, as I’ve said before, Relaunch is essentially live balance for art and thematics. It’s changes made to a character for the holistic health of the game artistically, mechanically, and with greater concern for the IP. Currently there are significant outliers in consistency, visually, thematically, story wise, and gameplay. The goal of Relaunch is to correct those outliers and bring them back in line, where applicable, to address the core of how we want to portray these characters. Skins don’t address these core issues with the champion. Skins are aesthetic choices, not fundamental character balancing.

A while back, champions were never really created with goals in mind. Only recently did we start establishing goals such as established/desired player psychology, what fantasy we are trying to fulfill, how effectively are we allowing a player to roleplay that fantasy, and how generally fulfilling is that character inside the space we want it to occupy. With these directives going forward, we’re applying them retroactively also. Case in point, Relaunch. Older champions are now subjected to the same goal creation/adherence process that new champions go through. The aim is to make them look better, be more compelling/contextually concise, and play better.

I would put Viegar, Malzahar, etc, in a Master Yi tier of relaunch.

Here’s the general tier list of VU/Relaunch which is in my brain at the moment.

This is in no way written in stone, but using what precedents have been set can inform the levels of VU or outright rework might be in store for certain characters. This is a comparison list of what has been done,not necessarily how things will be done going forward, but some parallels apply:

Trundle – Full character relaunch. Hard reboot, consists of complete visual, thematic, and complete gameplay overhaul.

Sion (?) - SPECULATORY/SUBJECT TO CHANGE. Heavy visual upgrages, possible change in thematics, major gameplay changes.*

Karma – Character “Chapter 2″ relaunch. Soft reboot, consists of evolving visuals, thematic continuation of current story, major gameplay changes.

Sivir (?) - SPECULATORY/SUBJECT TO CHANGE. Heavy visual upgrades, possible change in thematics, minor game play changes.*

Master Yi – VU + Kit rework relaunch. Upgrading of existing visuals along the same lines as the original look. Thematic tightening. Major-ish game play changes.

Sejuani – “Corrective” relaunch. Adjustment of visuals to match thematic goals. Solidifying of themes and storyline, some gameplay changes.

Nidalee/Annie/Twisted Fate/Ashe/Soraka/etc – Straight VU. Might consist of some tightening here and there. Mostly aesthetic changes. Minor game play tweaks.

This list isn’t really applicable across the board when deciding which character gets which sort of relaunch. It only generally describes the intensity of a particular relaunch, and may vary depending on the character. No character is the same, therefore no solution is the same to solving each’s particular challenges.

*Sion and Sivir are conjecture to a large extent due to how in flux those projects currently are.

 

 

What are some champions that, in your opinion, can use a visual update?

 

IronStylus Button Rioter IronStylusCaitlyn could use some sort of change to bring her in line with the rest of the Piltover champions, even if she remains dapper in her own way.

Irelia is pretty arbitrary in her design, I’d like to see how we can make her definitively Ionian looking. If not, then she just needs some good fidelity upgrades. She’s noodly and has low texture quality currently,

Jarvan is really noisy in game and though I equate him with royalty, i think he could stand to have a little more Demacian flavor injected into him.

Morgana‘s model isn’t the greatest quality at the moment.

Leona could use a pass at her geometry, make her a little less prom-dressy/armored bra wearing.

Quinn could use a simplification pass.

 

 

How would you improve Caitlyn’s visuals?

 

IronStylus Button Rioter IronStylus: Ever read Lady Mechanika? I’d like to bring a bit of that into her, and retain the “Piltover posh” to her. Right now she feels a bit Willy Wonka. She’s charming, but I’d like to up-tech her just a bit while retaining that charm. I think she could tweak 20% more towards the serious in terms of visuals.

 

 

 


 PBE: Jayce Ability Rework


 

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Jayce has been pretty problematic on the competitive scene and saw nerfs to his Acceleration Gate in Patch 3.9. Now Xypherous has decided to further tone him down as part of testing.

Remember: This is an experimental build. All of these propositions are subject to change and most likely will. Also, nerf hammer… c’mon, I had to!

 

 

XypherousButton Rioter Xypherous:  A quick heads up here – There is some fairly experimental stuff on Jayce that’s going into the outgoing PBE build. You guys won’t have access to this for a little while as PBE builds timing and pushes, while regular – are always on a ‘as soon as we can’ basis.

 

You may see some craziness in the next few days from Data Scrapers but this content is really ridiculously rough.

1. Jayce should not ignore resistances.

Yes, I know no one levels up ‘R’ anyway at the moment – but for the moment, let’s pretend that Jayce theoretically shouldn’t ignore your resistances.

2. Jayce’s poke pattern is fairly unhealthy.

Mostly from a fog of war, long range Q+E standpoint.

3. Jayce’s burst shouldn’t hyperscale and his damage shouldn’t be dependent on optimizing really weird obtuse use cases
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This mostly pertains to the ‘W’ functionality changes – where people are ‘rolling’ W charges to string together a 6 shot hyper charge. Also, Hyper Charge probably shouldn’t deal 260% damage on a critical strike – or 325% damage on an IE crit strike.

4. No, seriously. A lot of Jayce’s power is locked up in really obtuse cases.

A little bit of why Jayce is so powerful in competitive play and not so much in regular play is the sheer amount of edge cases you have to abuse to get mileage out of Jayce. While some could argue this is mechanical mastery of the champion – a lot of it is simply unintuitive fodder that we should clean up so that his actual intuitive combos are powerful.

So what’s going on?

We’re testing a fairly experimental series of changes designed to shift power away from these three cases and into the rest of his abilities – as well as streamlining some of Jayce’s muddier patterns. In general, Jayce is a decent character to have in the game but the vast majority of his power is locked up in extreme abuse cases at the moment – especially with end game super burst scenarios or long range poke scenarios.

I’ll have some more specifics as we start to refine what we have – but here is a rough list of the major changes:

Passive Statistics

Shifting around his statistics to favor mana regeneration as Jayce should be more of an active laner focused around spells to achieve victory. The shift in regeneration should also compensate for the removal of Mana on Hit from Static Field.

 

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  • HP/5 reduced to 5 from 7
  • HP/5 per Level reduced to 0.5 from 0.7
  • MP/5 increased to 10 from 7
  • MP/5 per level increased to 1.0 from 0.7

Jayce may no longer level Transform but his abilities have 6 ranks.

 

Hextech_CapacitorHextech Capacitor ( Passive )

* Now additionally grants 5 to 130 magic damage for the first attack after transformation, based on character level.

Moved a portion of his transform passives onto his character passive.Additionally, Hextech Capacitor is weak at character levels 1-3 but stronger at 6 and 9 to smooth out power differences between the fact that he has multi-form abilities and no ultimate.

 

To_the_Skies!To the Skies ( Q )

* Mana Cost reduced to 30 at all ranks from 40/50/60/70/80
* Damage rescaled to 25/75/125/175/225/275 (+0.6 Bonus) physical damage from 20/65/110/155/200 (+1.0 Bonus) physical damage

To the Skies! had some early game spike power and late game spike power. Normalizing this curve such that you don’t have to stack a ton of early Attack Damage or a ton of late Penetration in order to utilize this ability effectively for burst.

 

Lightning_FieldStatic Field ( W )

* Passive mana gain on-hit removed.
* Damage rescaled to 60/110/160/210/260/310 (+1) from 100/170/240/310/380 (+1)

* Basic Attacks during static field now deal an additional 10/15/20/25/30/35 (+0.2) magic damage on hit. Numbers even more highly experimental and subject to change on this one.
* Cooldown rescaled to 13/12/11/10/9/8 from 10

Static Field should encourage Jayce to stay in Hammer form and engage on his opponents for prolonged periods of time while his Cannon Transform is unavailable.

Also experimenting with a W -> R -> W swap combo – though the current gameplay is a little unintuitive.

 

Thundering_BlowThundering Blow ( E )

* Mana cost increased to 85 from 40/50/60/70/80
* Now has a rank 6 that deals 23% health damage and up to 700 magic damage versus minions.

Thundering Blow in top lane was often Jayce’s easy-mode button. If Jayce was in a bad spot – he could simply Thundering Blow to escape. Aggressively gating the Mana Cost on this ability means that eventually, Jayce’s second chances will run out.

However, we wanted to preserve Jayce’s engagement pattern if he chooses to be active – hence the To the Skies! Mana changes.

 

Mercury_Hammer Transform: Mercury Hammer ( R )

* Now grants 5 to 35 Armor and Magic Resistance, based on character level.

 

Shock_BlastShock Blast ( Q )

* Damage rescaled to 60/105/150/195/240/285 (+1.2 Bonus) from 60/115/170/225/280 (+1.2 Bonus) - Probably needs to be scaled up a tad.
* Missile Speed increased to 1450 from 1350

* Missile Width decreased to 50 from 60.
* Missile Area of Effect decreased to 160 from 175

* Accelerated Missile Width remains at 60.
* Accelerated Missile Area of Effect decreased to 225 from 250
* Accelerated Shock Blast initial speed increased to 2550 from 2350
* Accelerated Shock blast now decays down to 1550 during flight

Changes here are mostly to increase the dodgability of Shock Blast, especially from fog of war + acceleration gate circumstances.

The acceleration of gate also favors using E after launching Q – as this will give the opponent the smallest amount of time to react.

 

Hyper_ChargeHyper Charge ( W )

* Damage reduced to 70/80/90/100/110/120% from 70/85/100/115/130%
* Critical strikes now simply add 100% of your total AD to the damage (this can be further modified by critical strike damage) rather than being dependent on the rank of the skill.

* Cooldown rescaled to 14/12/10/8/6/4 from 14/12/10/8/6
* Cooldown now begins when Hyper Charge is fully consumed

* Mana Cost rescaled to 30/38/46/54/62/70 from 40

Hyper Charge harass becomes more dominating depending on the rank of the spell in a lot of cases. Early ranks of Hyper Charge tend to be less than mana efficient in a lot of ways. These changes are designed to reduce some of obtuse abuse cases of Hyper Charge with IE or priming the skill but to also make Hyper Charge’s cost roughly equivalent to its effect.

 

Acceleration_GateAcceleration Gate ( E )

* Mana Cost reduced to 20 from 50
* Has a 6th rank that increases Movement Speed by 55%.

Jayce brings Acceleration Gate as his primary team utility. The Jayce player should feel confident that his team contribution shouldn’t be necessarily gated by his playstyle or what he is forced to build. The cooldown nerfs in 3.9 should control Gate”s spamminess and uptime – and thus the Mana Cost here seems to be unnecessarily restricting him to Mana intensive builds.

 

Mercury_CannonTransform: Mercury Cannon ( R )

No longer has an armor and magic resist reducing proc.

This proc effect was mostly unnecessary – while it ensured Jayce made it to late game, the combined effect of the proc means that Jayce effectively ignored far too much of his opponent’s armor than was healthy.

 

 

Will Thundering Blow get a damage nerf?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous: Have not yet decided on if / what Thunder Blow needs to have changed, although with six possible ranks, it seems likely that we can rescale the damage such that per skill point, you are getting less power.

Unsure if he needs it exactly at the moment – as we’re doing quite a bit at once here.

 

 

Won’t making Jayce like the old Karma (6-level spells) make him weaker during early game?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous: Potentially – Jayce differs from old Karma in that he has two abilities he is ranking up base damage for per point.

Karma was ranking up side bonuses with her ranks – while Jayce is levelling both To the Skies! and Shock Blast simultaneously.

 

 

Follow-up: Does this change fix his power-curve?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous: Not particularly. In this case, it’s just a simple recognition that there was no amount of passive power that we could put on Jayce’s Transform level ups to actually make it feel worthwhile to rank up unless we went to ridiculous overpowered passive stat land.

He also didn’t need any *more* complicated mechanics to get him through – so the simplest solution here was to simply stop trying to make Transform a compelling level up and just rebalance his spells around assuming people simply weren’t going to put points in Transform anyway.

 

 

Won’t buffing the base damage of To the Skies! make Jayce even harder to deal with?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous: I suspect that this is true somewhat – though lane tests right now seem to indicate that Jayce really needs to use all his abilities well in order to do well. We have a couple of other minor changes as well such as reducing his health regeneration in favor of more mana regeneration as he should really win the lane by using his abilities on you a bunch.

I’m not sure I have a whole lot to assuage your fears, other than the fact that I just ripped off 1.0 Bonus AD scaling from his Q, reduced the levelups on his ‘W’ TAD scaling, roughly 5% armor shred in his early game. While I’m sure that Jayce will have a great deal of magic damage punch to him in his Hammer form – I’m not sure that his first couple of purchases will actually cause the lane to be unconquerable.

Essentially – I do think he will be harder to itemize against but most of the changes are targetted at limiting abuse cases when he’s ahead and figuring out where the balance lies in that paradigm.

 

 

 Are these nerfs aimed at FotM Jayce?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous:  The FoTM Jayce is a good playstyle – it just needs a bit more counterplay – which is why we opted to really target some of the more esoteric high end abuse cases like ‘W’ priming.

 

 

 

How about making the Accelerated Shock Blast (E+Q) a single target skillshot?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous:  Oh - Interesting.

So, the unfocused ball hits the gate and turns into a piercing beam?

That kind of change I definitely can’t get out in the timeframe required for this change – but that’s actually something we should look into as to whether that pattern makes more sense.

 

 

Follow-up: Won’t this just make it a 1000 MP/H Nidalee Spear?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous:  It is terrifying notion – but the benefits are that it opens up space for both unempowered Q and empowered Q to be satisfying without one drastically outclassing the other.

It would also mean that then we have additional space to play around with Acceleration Gate duration / cooldown to open up some space as right now Gun Q isn’t actually a spell, since it’s Gun Q + E that is theactual spell and thus the cooldown / conditions of ‘E’ tie directly into Q’s satisfaction level.

For example, if Q by itself was satisfying – you could put an absolutely ridiculous cooldown and duration on Acceleration Gate. You could make the Gate last 12 seconds and have a 40 second cooldown – because now normal Q’s and empowered Q’s have a purpose – which would actually open up a lot of interesting team cases without making Jayce ‘Team Speed Up all the Time’ guy – but rather Jayce brings ‘Giant Semi-Perma Zone Control in a Team Fight’ guy – or you could set up a siege and start peppering multiple empowered Q’s forward – but as soon as that Gate drops, you know you can rush Jayce, etc.

 

 

 Can the Accelerated Shock Blast not deal damage when it reaches the end of its range?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous:  I have not currently tinkered with that – that might be an interesting change if we deem it necessary, although at the moment I want to tackle the fog of war reaction issue first.

 

 

 

 Are you worried that Jayce players will then max W over Q and E?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous:  I suspect that’s kind of what you should do on Live right now, given the Acceleration Gate changes in 3.9.

So.. not particularly, as it can’t be worse than the current optimal Jayce style.

 

 

 Any plans to change/rework Jayce’s current passive?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous:  I have no idea why the flat speed boost is there – but I suspect it’s there to actually cover a bit for the mind-share it takes to transform mid-fight.

As in – it does take more planning and execution to perform swap combos as Jayce – thus the additional movement speed and ghost allows for a bit of grace in terms of mental mind share allowing you to focus on the combo, rather than mouse moving while doing so.

It also has some way additional side benefits in making the transform “feel” right from a visual perspective. Because Jayce changes his walking posture – intuitively, you think that Jayce has slowed down because his center changes.

Agreed that the ghost effect is probably superfluous – but there doesn’t seem to be any real reason to remove it. I also agree that the shifting to lane case is a bit odd but outside of it feeling silly I don’t see negative implications to it.

 

 

Isn’t the new W underwhelming for a 6-level spell?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous:  Currently testing at 75%/80%/85%/90%/95%/100% and cooldown from 13/11/9/7/5/3.

Essentially – max rank ‘W’ right now is ‘You have roughly 2.5 Attack Speed while you are in Cannon form’

And.. oddly enough, as ridiculous as that sounds – still far weaker than live due to the priming use case.

 

 

Won’t he lose too much damage with these changes?

 

Xypherous Button Rioter Xypherous:  Hammer ‘W’ adds on-hit magic damage regardless of what form he is in, so Static Field –> Switch –> Hyper Charge makes up for quite a bit of missing damage due to the swap combos (either direction.)

 

 

 

Where are you “shifting the power so that is usable for the vast majority of players”?

 

XypherousButton Rioter Xypherous:  While I’m not listing all of the numerical rebalancing because frankly, it’s going to flux – from the original post there are these following comments:

  • Hammer form simply gives free resistances without needing points put into it.
  • Hammer ‘Q’ has drastically increased base damage
  • Hammer ‘W’ has a magic on-hit proc that can be used in either form
  • Hammer ‘W’ has reduced cooldown per level

From the followup posts in this thread, I’ve talked about:

- Gun ‘W’ having drastically reduced cooldown per level – but cooldown starting when you consume the procs.
- Shock Blasts ‘Q+E’ combo is agnostic of gate location.

You’re absolutely right that I’m not talking about quite a few numbers that matter at the end of the day to see whether these are nerfs or buffs – because in the end, those will be tuning points we’ll have to use.

Agreed that it’s far far easier to notice what is coming down because they’re the factors currently seeing abuse.

 

 

Why are you reworking his kit right after the Patch 3.9 nerfs?

 

XypherousButton Rioter Xypherous:  Yes – those nerfs were substantial band-aid hits to his most powerful build. Considering that Jayce already has a below average win rate for most players – it means that the only Jayce players that will be successful now are the ones who can best abuse Jayce’s obtuse strengths.

Which means that if we let the nerfs settle in without changing his kit – only the highest end players will be able to use Jayce. Consider the fact that we haven’t given power back to Jayce anywhere – but only took away power from his best build. Were his other builds viable or playable? General win rate seems to suggest that isn’t so – but currently you’d be crazy to amplify any part of Jayce given that it’ll be a straight buff to the competitive Jayce build.

 

 

Are you trying to remove Jayce’s potential as an AD Carry or Caster?

 

XypherousButton Rioter Xypherous:  To a certain extent, yes.

Currently, the glass DPS form of Jayce doesn’t seem to be providing a ton of healthy gameplay overall – regardless of how strong or weak it is at various brackets, because it seems to emphasize excessive amounts of physical burst, coupled with an inability to build Armor to resist it – with team mobility.

 

 

Problems with the new Jayce build

 

XypherousButton Rioter Xypherous:  Feedback! Awesome.

Again – still not sure when you’re going to get this on the PBE but hopefully we can really hammer on this until Jayce reaches a state where people are comfortable with his style.

Let me talk about some of the points raised here and my initial responses to the changelist proposed:

To The Skies!

I’m running into two problems here – his additional AD ratio on To the Skies! early is creating a large early game spike due to how much flat AD you can stack early – and his AD ratio on To the Skies! late is creating a bigger later-game spike after his full penetration / AD build becomes.

If To The Skies! is supposed to be a good way to melee all-in – having the ability so heavily dependent on the AD ratio for the damage seems odd as it means that Jayce is effective when he’s ahead but fairly poor when he’s behind.

Jayce’s AD ratios late game are fairly ridiculous at the moment – we have to tone this down somehow but there are alternate solutions here.

Okay, so listening to reason here, simply toning down the AD ratio and give it higher base damages, especially with later ranks while keeping it physical damage
 should accomplish what I want it to do – while trying to attack both of the problems listed.

Great - This is why I talk to you guys early because I’m being reckless. Moving on.

Transform Abilities and the oddities of level 6

One of the problems with transform character is that their power level at 6 / 9 get heavily out of sync with other champions.

Hextech Capacitor will add magic damage on changing to either form – and that Hammer will provide passive resistanecs – but with non-linear scaling I can probably add a spike here in resistances / proc damage that will help curb some of the level 6 power here.

Removing the shred will tackle a lot of his abusive power – which means that the Capacitor can hopefully inherit this power.

We’ll also need to remove some of the early level 1 to 3 power – so the curve on Hextech Capacitor should probably spike at 4/6/9 – so I’m going to try something like 5/5/5/20/20/20/40/40/40/65/65/65/95/95/95/130/130/130 magic damage first.

Hextech Capacitor and Hammer Form Resistances will get a spike in power at level 6 and 9 to help smooth out this curve.

Hyper Charge

Starting with 75%/80%/85%/90%/95%/100% may be too drastic for an initial pass – However, the goal here is to really put some power into hammer form as well – rather than a complete hyperscale form based on how many ratios you have.

It’s hard to gauge how much of the power here in lane is from the heavy level-ups on the skill combined with the increase in AD – I’ll try a smoother curve for the first iteration.

The problem case with Hyper Charge is how powerful the lane poke can be and how powerful the late game power can be – however, with 6 ranks in the skill and the new CD formula, I can actually change the levelups on this quite a fact.

Hyper Charge adjusted to – 70/80/90/100/110/120%.
Hyper Charge now deals 100% bonus damage on critical strike, rather than multiplying the whole attack.
Hyper Charge CD adjusted to 13/11/9/7/5/3 – CD starts after the cast finishes.

Let me update the initial post with the key points.

 

 

Feedback

 


Button Rioter Xypherous:  Quote:
Blind responses (ie, without being able to see them in action):- Reducing his health regen while expecting him to be in melee more seems problematic

 Mana related starts such as Faerie charm is heavily hindered by this change – resulting in a need to purchase early sustain related items. Itemizing right out of the gate for Mana will be poor and generally ineffective due to the need to cover your health bases far more than mana, if aggressively trading.

Trading 2 hp/5 for 3 mp/5 means that you should probably consider starting with sustain related opening moves.

Quote:
- TTS seems undertuned; at max rank he’ll do less damage if he has 188 or more AD (roughly a bloodthirster or manamune on top of base)

TTS is/has always been bonus AD scaling – so it’s 188 bonus attack damage that it evens out at, so basically a full bloodthirster and manamune and last whisper.

But it’s laaate.

Quote:
- Thundering Blow: Punishes early game, pushes him even more into continued reliance on tear / manamune, which will marginalize the impact of this change.

Almost every other ability had mana costs reduced for normal Thundering Blow cadence. Repeated Thundering Blow cadence without hard engaging with other spells will almost certainly be OOM.

Quote:
- Hypercharge – Still seems spammy, mana cost seems prohibitive (once again forcing him into tear builds).

Pure ranged poke + thundering blow pattern will require a lot more mana – certainly true. Builds focused around To the Skies! and aggressive trading will not – ideally.

Accel Gate + Shock Blast combos are also reduced in total cost.

This is the most unrelenting safe attack pattern – so if you want to be safe consistently – you’ll probably be forced into heavy mana.

Quote:
- Transform: Mercury Cannon – Another nerf. Shred will be missed, but no real opinion beyond that.

Proc is mostly unused power here from players.

If acquired early, mostly a trap to put points into until late.

 

 

 


LCS Summoner Icons + Bundle now available!


 

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The new LCS icons are up for sale! Aaand the price is rather… displeasing.

 

 

Magus Button Rioter Magus: Summoners,

During the break we saw five new teams enter the LCS after winning their promotion series. With so much new blood in the LCS waters, the top teams continue to fight for every advantage as they move closer to the Season 3 World Championships.

In the spirit of this rising competition, you can show support for your favorite team by grabbing an official team logo Summoner Icon for any of the North American and European LCS teams in the Summer Split.

When we introduced these Summoner Icons on the PBE, we got a ton of insightful feedback. One thing everyone seemed to notice was that if you follow all teams equally, or if the idea of splitting allegiances makes you squirm, it was hard to collect all of the icons. As a result, we’re introducing new icon bundles that’ll help you pick up all of the Season 3 icons with fewer clicks.

Both of the EU and NA LCS bundles are 1600 RP each, which is 20% off the regular price for the 8 Summoner Icons included in the bundles. You can snag all 16 icons in the Summer Split Bundle for 3000 RP (25% off the regular 4000 RP price).

These icons are now available in the store until the end of the split for 250 RP, and are permanently added to your account. When you purchase a team icon, 20% of the price goes directly to that team as a bonus and the other 80% goes to support esports (prizes, salaries, events, streaming).

To show off your team pride, all Summoner Icons–including the new esports team icons–will be shown on the loading screen before each match.

These LCS team Summoner Icons will be available in the store until the end of the 2013 Summer Split, so support your favorite teams today!

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LCS Icons – Support your Team

 

What do you think of the icon price tags- 250 RP for an icon, 1600 for an 8-icon bundle, 3000 to catch them all? Share below!

 

 


 Changes to Sales coming soon!


 

Skin Sale Decoration

Riot’s newest eCommerce associate, WizardCrab, is here to talk about the on-going plans to handle sales

 

 

WizardCrab Button Rioter WizardCrab: Hey all!

I’m the new associate in eCommerce here at Riot and I wanted to make my presence on the forums known! I’m happy to talk about anything regarding the semi-weekly champion and skin sales, F2P rotations, new flexible cost bundles, life, football (American), curling, why water chestnuts are the worst, why League needs more Crab-type champions, dogs, cats, east coast living, west coast living, the growing issue of crab underrepresentation in Congress, mini golf, advantages of walking sideways, and I suppose League of Legends. Or whatever.

I’d first like to let you in on a couple of changes regarding the semi-weekly champion and skin sales. I’d like to make the selection criteria a little more transparent. First off, every champion sale will include:

  • 1 975 RP champion
  • 1 880 RP champion
  • 1 790 RP or lower champion

The skins sales will be a little more complicated, so bear with me. Skin sales will now generally follow a pattern over the course of 2 weeks (4 sales):

Sale 1

  • 975 RP skin
  • 750 RP skin
  • 520 RP skin

Sale 2

  • 975 RP skin
  • 1350 RP skin
  • 520 RP skin

Sale 3

  • 975 RP skin
  • 750 RP skin
  • 520 RP skin

Sale 4

  • 975 RP skin
  • 975 RP skin
  • 520 RP skin

This is our attempt to fulfill two main goals with the sales. The first is to get through all of the eligible champions and skins within a semi-reasonable amount of time. The second is to avoid having some weeks of all high tier item sales followed by weeks of all low tier item sales. We would like a more moderate spread every week, and think you might like that too.

I also wanted to let you know that we are planning on releasing some 1350 RP skins in the coming months. With these releases we currently plan on having an initial sale for the first few days at 975 RP.

Anyway, feel free to use this thread to discuss the new sales system or ask me questions about anything (especially the topics above)!

 

 

Will you put 1350 skins or legendary skins on sale in the future?

 

WizardCrab Button Rioter WizardCrab: 1350 skins will go on sale as I outlined. Legendary skins will not go on sale. There are no 1350 Legendary skins (in fact the only Legendary skin that isn’t 1820 is Surprise Party Fiddlesticks). If you’re referring to the three skins that were once 1820 and are now 1350, they are no longer considered legendary and are eligible for sales!

 

 

 Will these sales be consistent after the 2 weeks?

 

WizardCrab Button Rioter WizardCrab:  Yes, this will be the new policy moving forward.

 

 

 

 

Do you plan to increase the number of champions/skins per sale to 4?

 

 WizardCrab Button Rioter WizardCrab:  We don’t plan on adding more champions or skins to these sales. But one of the biggest reasons why we added the new bundles was in order to help people get access to more content at reduced price points. And the new schedule should help in general.

 

 

 

Will you put forgotten/aging skins on sale?

 

WizardCrab Button Rioter WizardCrab:  I know there have been a number of highly sought after skins that have not yet been on sale. I’m trying to get them on sale as soon as I can. That’s why I say one of the goals is to get all of the skins on sale. Please don’t expect that I can suddenly put them all up on sale immediately, but I really hope the upcoming sales will speak for themselves.

 

 

Any news on the lifetime RP purchase rewards?

 

WizardCrab Button Rioter WizardCrab: It’s still a priority but we really don’t have an ETA. There are a number of other pieces that need to fall into place before we an make this happen in an awesome way.

 

 

 

Why doesn’t this sale include 975 RP champions?

 

WizardCrab Button Rioter WizardCrab:  I haven’t actually started this system with the champion sales yet. But it begins on the following sale.

 

 

 

How will you handle the new bundle sales?

 

WizardCrab Button Rioter WizardCrab:  We’re going to try to put out a new set of limited-time bundles out once per month.

 

 

 

 


 Champion/Skin Sale – expires July 15th


 

Sale 15 July

Get the following champions and skins at a discount before 15th July!

 

 

  • Miss Fortune – 440 RP
  • Pantheon – 395 RP
  • Vayne – 440 RP

 

 

Full Metal Rammus – 487 RP

 

Full Metal Rammus

 

High Command Katarina – 375 RP

 

High Command Katarina

 

Road Warrior Miss Fortune – 260 RP

 

Road Warrior Miss Fortune

 

 

IMPORTANT: Justin Carter was released from prison after an anonymous person paid the 500 000$ bail cost. The trial is scheduled for next year and he can still face 10 years behind bars, but he’s free until then. The petition, although no longer required, still shows support for his case and has already gathered 125k votes.

 

Heimey gonna fix yo servers!

 

Join for a lengthy discussion on Europe West‘s recent server overload and the consequent 20-win IP Boost reward! Also, check out Damiya‘s explanation on the PvP Client instability as well as the latest Champion/Skin sale!

 

 
AMA – EUW Server Issues
> Server Instability
> Player-focused
> Non-related questions
 
PvP  Client
 
Champion/Skin Sale

 

 

AMA – EUW Server Issues

 

Rioters Demorphic, Riot tmx, sonicdeathriot, ScottThruDaHeart, Riot Pwyff and Riot Banksy discuss the recent server instability on EUW and the 20 win IP-boost compensation that’s now being sent to accounts affected by the issue.

 

 

demorphic Button Rioter Demorphic: Hi everyone!

I’m Matt “Demorphic” Elliot, and as promised we will be kicking off an AMA today at 6pm UK time with three members of Riot’s senior technology leadership:

 

Scott “Scott Thru The Heart” Gelb, Vice President of Technology Ron “sonicdeathriot” Williams, Vice President of Operations David “RiotBanksy” Banks, Technical Director.

Joining us will also be Tomasz “Riot tmx” Ankudowicz, our Live Services Producer for Europe.

 

We’re here to talk with you about the recent service disruptions you’ve experienced on EUW, and to answer any questions you have about how the League of Legends service operates, and why it sometimes breaks badly.

I’d humbly ask that you focus your questions on the service/technology side – the Rioters with me today are super busy working on improving the network infrastructure behind League of Legends to avoid issues like this in the future, and they don’t often get a chance to hop in and take your questions.

They will also be fielding questions from multiple European languages, so please bear with us. Realistically we will not be able to answer all questions live. However, we have commited to following up this session with a more comprehensive set of questions and answers before this coming weekend.

We’re going to be doing more deliberate community communication like this moving forward – we understand that not getting this kind of face time with the team at Riot HQ is also a big point of pain for EU players, and we hope this is a valuable step in the right direction.

Please kick things off and we will be jumping in at 6pm UK time. You then have our undivided attention for 2 hours. So fire away!

 

 

EUW Server Instability

 

 

How will you communicate with EUW players during technical issues?

 

Riot tmx Button Rioter Riot tmx: Beside keeping the platform in good health, communication is our main goal. It always was, but we know we didn’t really do great job here. So, about plans:

1) We’re working on standardizing Live Incident communication in all languages. These will be high quality, automated and localized announcements posted regularly during the incident and we know it’s going to work better, than our current system. We’re still finalizing the scripts.

2) We introduced new program called Post-Incident Messaging. Every time our platforms come through the issues, we’re going to tell you about it within next 24-48 hours. We will summarize our efforts, tell you what we’ve done, what kind of problems we noticed, what was the impact and how did we mitigate the incident. We will be actively answering all your questions and we really want to put our best effort into this.

3) We’re also working on improving the communication within the client, as we know that some players don’t even check forums for service status. More info coming soon.

 

 

Any plans on avoiding future EUW server overloads?

 

sonicdeathriotButton Rioter sonicdeathriot: Service quality across the many regions League of Legends runs is actually about the same when looked across a full year of data, however sometimes a certain region will have a bad run of issues that can last several days.  Also, when issues happen our biggest regions do tend to have extra player impact when issues occur.  This is due mainly to:

 

1. When a big region has an issue that kicks a lot of players out of the game or off the platform it puts a lot of stress on the systems that let players back into the system.  This creates complications that lead to the need for us to limit the number of players per second we can let back into the service which means in large outages it can take several hours to let everyone back into the service.   Also when this kind of load is placed on the system it can sometimes create secondary issues that will extend the unplanned downtime.   There is a lot of work going on in our Operations and Development teams to greatly increase how many players per second we can let into the service and also improve the stability of the service when it is under stress when huge numbers of players are trying to log back in after an outage at peak times.

2. Our biggest regions like EUW are also our most complicated infrastructures to maintain.  This means that new release can take longer to deploy, troubleshooting problems can take longer, and there are just more things that can break, be misconfigured, or have other issues.   EUW and EU Nordic are both currently being rebuilt in Amsterdam on brand new servers, network, and secuirty gear (note that game servers will continue to be availble in Frankfurt with even more being added in Amsterdam).  This will give players the latest architecture we have been testing for the last several months to ensure EUW and EU Nordic can continue to grow larger and have even better service stability.  It is a huge undertaking but coming soon.

 

 

sonicdeathriot Button Rioter sonicdeathriot: I wanted to share a big wall of text for anybody who’d like to go deeper into the tech today. This write-up describes some of the big problems that were impacting all the regions in Europe (and other platforms outside of Europe) until about mid-April (and more recently for Korea):

 

EU Core Switch Summary

Since late October there have been several major outages in Europe that were related to scaling problem with our core switches in Frankfurt.  Our Korea players also suffered from this issue recently along with some other painful problems.  Last week we finally figured out the root cause of this painful issue.  The root cause around the malfunction of the core network switches was that our game servers were redundantly connected with two network interface cards (NIC) that were setup in an active/active load balancing mechanism we use in all of our environments around the world.* The network load balancing was accomplished through the use of a “smart” algorithm that dynamically moved traffic from one NIC to the other.* Since each server was connected to the network twice, every time the server flipped its active NIC, the entire Europe network would have to change its network packet forwarding tables to account for the change.* Specifically the MAC address table inside the switches needed to be updated constantly.* Typically updating a MAC address table isn’t as issue with just a few servers, but it becomes an issue as the server count increases when those severs are using “smart” load balancing. * When the game servers change their active NIC this has to be propagated across the entire network.* It starts from the top of rack switch that the server is directly connected to, sends the change to the core network switches and then is distributed out to all devices connected to the network.  As network traffic increases, the servers will swap the active NIC more often to distribute the load, which causes the MAC address tables to be updated at a rate that cannot be handled by the core network switches.*  In the case of our  Eruope (and Korea) game servers this means the MAC address table was updating millions of times per second during peak playtimes.  North America was spared this pain because we have fewer game servers on the core switches than we do in Europe (or Korea).

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This is where the network flooding starts that would eventually crash the core switches that support the entire Eruope service. *Inside the core network switch, the MAC address table stores a MAC address mapped to a physical network port that is uses for forwarding and filtering network traffic. **As the rate of updates exceeds the capability of the switch, the switch falls back into a fail-safe mode where it sends the packets to all ports on the switch.* Traffic that is normally only sent to the destination that it addressed for, is now being broadcasted across the entire environment.* As a result all of our servers started getting lots of unneeded network traffic.** This had the net effect of essentially creating a denial of service attack across the entire network.* Welcome to meltdown city. *And when the core switches crashed they did not keep any diagnostic information we could access to help troubleshoot the problem.

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To mitigate the above issue, we have done a few things:


1.*******Short Term Fix: *Disable secondary NICs on the game servers.  The idea behind this is that if there is 1 NIC and 1 related MAC address per game server (instead of 2), this completely removes the possibility of traffic jumping around from one NIC to the other.* The network will no longer have to update itself as a result of any server side load balancing.

2.*******Long Term Fix: Change the environment to use active/passive failover on the NICs.* The server will have a backup connection but it will only use it in the case of the primary path failing.* This will stabilize the environment greatly but still allow us to provide high availability in the case of a localized failure.

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3.*******Upgrade the core network infrastructure with hardware that can handle a huge amount of additional load.* Why not, I mean, more power is better, right?!
a.       Upgrade the core switches so if we get surprised again with extra traffic for whatever reason, we are ready for it. *Different designs can keep up better with MAC address table updates which would allow us to better handle the load should something similar happen in the future.*
b.       An improved design will also reduce the chance of one switch failure crashing everything in the data center.

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Current Actions:


We have been working on a daily basis with our network switch vendor (the same one used by the leading Internet companies and other leading websites). During the outages we’ve been passing the switch vendor logs we gather as we make changes to the Europe (and Korea) network infrastructure, and have been working alongside of them to diagnose the root cause of why the core switch isn’t able to handle the rate of change to the MAC address table. * We have also been working with the vendor to expedite the new network gear to upgrade Europe’s network, gear we placed orders for several weeks ago, but due to the very big capacity of this new network gear, it is built to order by the manufacture.  Some of this gear is already in installed and has helped stablize EUW and EU Nordic’s network since mid-April 2013.

We are sorry of this inconvenience, it has been a very difficult problem to track down and fix.  We have learned from this issue and are building a better network to protect the quality of the service in Eruope and in our other service areas.

 

 

Will this time communication between Rioters and EUW Community be better?

 

Riot tmx Button Rioter Riot tmx: Since we’re in Europe and we work on LoL in 10 different languages, it’s quite demanding to support forums in all languages the way we all wish. We have our Community department, but we feel it’s not enough. Obviously we’re going to improve and we’ll eventually reach our point, but it’s quite different comparing to our US HQ, where most of Rioters speak and comment in English.

 

Our plan for this is to encourage the entire Dublin office to be more active on forums: to be part of discussions, to talk to you about champions, new maps and other features. Obviously we’re all swamped with our daily work, but being active on forums is another part of our work. And we want to be closer to our community, for sure. Also, we’re actively hiring more folks to our Community department in all languages, so this should be noticeable pretty soon.

 

 

Any plans on splitting the EUW servers?

 

ScottThruDaHeart Button Rioter ScottThruDaHeart: We currently do not have plans to split the EU-West platform. We are constantly upgrading the infrastructure and adding additional capacity to support the growth of EU-West, one of the largest League of Legends regions in the world. We recently addressed one of the technical challenges we’ve faced with the scale of our core network. Ron Williams, our VP of Operations, is going into more detail on the specific issue and how we’ve solved it in a separate post (http://euw.leagueoflegends.com/board…23700#11923700). We have engineers working around the clock to fix the stability issues and dedicated teams that are focused on scaling our systems proactively to support the live service.

 

 

Riot tmx Button Rioter Riot tmx: We don’t want to split EUW, I think this has been messaged out already. What we do instead  is to improve our infrastructure even more. We already have top quality devices in place, but life brings us new solutions every month and we’re constantly upgrading our systems.

 

 

We recently performed large maintenance in the Frankfurt data center where we completely re-designed our network infrastructure or replaced all the database drives with the high-end solutions. It all gives us some additional power and if you take a look a year or two behind, we’re now able to provide service for over 100% more players comparing to the past. Also, not sure if you noticed, getting back on EUW platform is now quicker than ever, as we’re able to throttle players in much faster in the peak times or during the incidents

 

 

Will you be able to react to such problems faster?

 

Riot tmx  Button Rioter Riot tmx: Yes, we know this can be improved on our side. First decision the live producer takes after getting alerts about serious incident is to turn on the Compensation Mode. We always do it, and, if executed properly, your loss should be prevented. If it’s not, that means we pushed the button a bit too late and that’s completely on us. We understand the importance of this compensation though and always think about your disrupted games.

 

 

Communication, troubleshooting & compensations

 

Riot PwyffButton Rioter Riot Pwyff: While this is a very tech-focused AMA (given our subject matter experts), there was a specific wall of text that hit some good points, so we’ll try to address those. I’ll note here that this is outside of the scope of the AMA but silence can sometimes be interpreted as being ignored and that’s absolutely not the case.
Side note: Demorphic will be addressing compensation in this AMA, so that won’t be covered here. Just trying to get some other information out there.

 

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Originally Posted by abuzeus View Post
Let me start of by giving my opinion on EU forums. I don’t really care that much for red activity. Most development or policy insights are only available from the NA devs, and those don’t post here (more on that below). I also don’t particularly care whether community coordinator X likes champion Y, or whether she will play ARAMs with the community now. Those posts are nice to have though. What I care about in EU is reaction to incidents. When there is something many people care about, there should be a red response. If the servers go down, we want that to be acknowledged within an hour. Sure, there is no hope to beat the hundreds of reddit threads that will pop up, and the “better give NA RP” joke is getting super old really fast, but sometimes it (feels like it) takes two or three hours until there is something going on in the service status forums. During the incidents over the Pentecost weekend, the responses felt super delayed at times. If the server just disconnects for a minute and then there is a small queue for 20 minutes, that is maybe not something that needs to be discussed, but if this happens very frequently, or the downtime exceeds a few minutes, there should be a red post.

 

Communication on live incidents has been a pain point for you, and that’s something we’re looking to fix in the long term. Going to echo something Riot tmx mentioned in an earlier post: “We’re working on standardizing Live Incident communication in all languages. These will be high quality, automated and localized announcements posted regularly during the incident and we know it’s going to work better, than our current system. We’re still finalizing the scripts.”
So things are on the horizon to address this!

 

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Originally Posted by abuzeus View Post
Or take the recent discussion about Riot Korea giving out Silent Night Sona. A lot of people wanted to know what happened here. It was very obvious that the problems in EU had reached the point that some compensation would be handed out, and, in retrospect, it was also very obvious that Riot Korea caught you out cold there. However, it should not take eight or nine hours for a response to come in. When angry threads flare up before noon, then people expect an answer during normal office times, and not late in the evening. This answer does not have to be comprehensive, but a quick “I can confirm that KR gets X, we can’t say anything for EU yet, hang on” would be nice. Also keep in mind that you are already an hour behind the majority of the EU crowd. If a response is not out at 7 pm UK time, many people on the continent will be back from work and: no red response yet… Maybe another problem here is that you (Riot) refrain from posting, because you feel that a red response carries so much weight what it has to wait until everything is ironed out. I feel that this problem could be ameliorated a bit by having more “fluff” posting going on. Because then it’s “Oh, Demorphic said something about X issue” instead of “This is one of five Riot posts in the last three days. It *must* be super important and it *must* have gone through all kinds of review”. Haven’t thought this really through, though.

 

Waiting too long to respond to issues in an official capacity is a tricky subject, but on your point (that sometimes we wait too long and are too careful) is a valid one. Speeding this up and getting you the right information as it develops is something we really want to bolster going forward, although I will note we did basically say that “I can confirm that KR gets X, we can’t say anything for EU yet, hang on” on that day!

 

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Originally Posted by abuzeus View Post
By the way, I agree with the decision not to give out a limited skin (even though I don’t have it and I really like it). The IP boost is okay, although I feel that a 10 win boost and some monetary or other gesture would have been nice (maybe 200 RP, or Aatrox going on sale the first week or something). Personally, I don’t care about a small amount of RP (I can buy those, after all), I care more about the gesture of saying that the recent incident were more serious than a normal cluster of downtime with the associated 4-win IP boost. I do feel though that Riot needs to teach their departments more to think about the impact of their decisions on the other regions. Obviously, Riot KR did not think about the angry crowd popping up in Europe. Or two weeks ago, when some NA dev made a poll on what the community wanted the Madred’s proc to be, this happened only on NA. No big deal, and I think people blow this out of proportion, but still: There is this nicking feeling: Why not here too? Such polls never happen in EU (okay, it happened once, and then angry NA players forced a sister conversation on NA).

 

Also valid. I’ll add one caveat here in that our designers do tend to go “heads down” on their work, so asking them to stay cognizant of a global communication strategy in addition to their work is a tough one. That’s certainly not an excuse, however, and it’s something we’re actively working on. To give some concrete examples to that, we have people working directly with our live designers to bolster their communications, but it’s an ongoing process.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by abuzeus View Post
A thing that is being brought up all the time is that most dev interaction is centralized on NA. Some devs, e.g., Morello, have explicitly said that they will only read NA General Discussion. While it certainly is annoying, I can understand that most devs can not handle the logistics of keeping multiple conversations over multiple boards. Since everyone is free to post on the NA boards (and Riot is not being overly zealous with the inactivity purges), I think it’s okay the way it is. I think that it’s a laudable effort of Xelnath to talk about the Xerath changes on multiple boards, but I can see that this won’t work for the high-level devs that have to talk about a lot of stuff. For a while, we had FeralPony and Meddler as the dedicated EU devs, but that seems to have died down to intermittent “batch mode” posting. Still, I can live with the current solution. It’s surprisingly easy to get something out of Morello when you have the right timing.

 

As you’ve noted, bandwidth is a huge issue for key designers that you want to talk to and I understand there are frustrations with the situation being something like “go to Twitter to talk to Morello!” or “Time your windows with Xypherous being on the NA forums to chat with him!” and so forth. That said, this is such a broad issue that it can be difficult to mandate a single solution without completely burning everyone out (IE: Posting schedules, etc). A very small part of me wants to say that communication is a two way street, so making an effort to go to someone is part of it, but sometimes that’s not a great experience for you and I get that. What I can say on this front is that it’s something we’re aware of, but the issue is fairly deep. Not a great answer here but we’d like to work with you to get there.

 

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Originally Posted by abuzeus View Post
Do you agree with my assessment that EU summoners can sometimes feel a bit behind when seeing all those things play out against them (even though none of the decisions and issues behind these things are *meant* to screw EU)? If yes, can you think of ways to give *us* something cool, given that changing most of the things I outlined above seems either pointless or useless, seen from a cost/benefit point of view?

 

This is a super leading question! Being very careful here, I would just say that making you feel unique is far more important than making you feel like you’re ahead or behind any other region. It’s on that note that I won’t try to debate you on points that you feel EUW was left behind because that will inevitably lead me to draw comparisons to other regions and so forth. As I said, being careful here because this is drawing us to some odd conclusions in the first place, but wanted to at least throw out something vague so it doesn’t look like it’s been deliberately skipped.

 

Quote:
Originally Posted by abuzeus View Post
Are we going to be in 2011 again? The recent server pains and the increasing frequency of server hiccups makes me fear that there will be capacity issues again. Are there? (Of course it’s not nearly as bad as in 2011. Yet?)

 

There are some huge plans (including a move to a brand new data center that can handle some fairly staggering capacity loads) in the works, but there will always be hiccups in transition. Just know that we’re consistently pushing to improve our service.

 

 

How to resolve lag

 

sonicdeathriot Button Rioter sonicdeathriot: There are a few things players can do to minimize the chance of lag:

 

 

 

1. Playing through wireless connections increase the chance of running into issues that can create lag.  If you have to play through wireless, try setting your wifi router to a different channel.  Most wifi routers sold ship on the same wireless channel, so if you around other people using wifi it can create interference that will affect the speed of your wifi connection from time to time.

 

2. Ensure your PC’s network is dedicated as much as possible to the game.  If you are running other programs that use the network like music streaming, video streaming, file downloads, etc. these could be overwhelming your Internet connection for short periods of time.

 

3.  Make sure you are seeing lag, video card framerate dropping can appear like lag. Check the FPS counter in the upper right corner of the game screen.  If it drops below 20 you could see symptoms that look like lag but are actually related to something overloading your PC’s CPU, memory, or disk resources.  Shut down other things running in the background and if you are constantly seeing low FPS numbers then you might want to consider upgrading your video card or other PC resources.

 

 

Can the players help in any way to resolve technical issues?

 

Riot tmx Button Rioter Riot tmx: Most of the issues are on our side and we’re able to track them down relatively quickly. But sometimes we do ask for Bug Splat logs, tracert/ping details, screenshots, champion bug videos or r3d logs. These might actually be very helpful in the investigation or at least speed things up.

 

 

 

Riot Banksy Button Rioter Riot Banksy: When issues arise, players can always contribute to helping Riot debug.

  • Providing detailed information about what happened from the player’s perspective
  • Including screenshots when appropriate
  • Posting logs from the session

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Instructions on how to obtain a DxDiag file
Where to find your game logs

 

 

Player-focused

 

 

20-win IP boost to compensate

 

demorphic Button Rioter Demorphic: I want to address the fat elephant in the room: the 20 win IP boost we’re delivering as compensation. We will be going into more details about this during the AMA.

First up though:

We’ve started running the script to add the 20 Win IP Boost to your accounts, but it might take up to 3 days to complete, just because of the large number of players on EUW. Thanks for your patience!

 

 

How do you know which players to reward?

 

Riot tmx Button Rioter Riot tmx: We’re giving this compensation to players who were affected by our poor service. In other words, if you tried to log-in during this period at least once, you’re on our list and you will be compensated. Other story is if you tried to log-in and were unsuccessful for full two weeks. It should not happen, but if you are one of these unlucky players, please contact our Player Support and we will get back to you.

 

 

Why IP and not RP for compensation?

 

Riot Pwyff  Button Rioter Riot Pwyff: I suspect we’ll be answering this multiple times down the road but to reiterate:

We’ve never given RP as a widespread compensation for server instability. There was one case where less than 1% of NA players were unable to access their purchased content for more than a week and we compensated them with RP. To reiterate: we have never given out RP for any server instability in any region.

 

Followup

 

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Originally Posted by Spooned View Post
Yeh, that’s not true at all. As far as I remember, there’s been given out RP two times since ‘League of Legends’ launched (one for 350RP and another for 550RP). I’m sure of the 550RP one, and I even found a link for you: Post by Tryndamere. I’m sure you’re in a better position to inquire for the other.
This was in direct relation to server instability as well, so your statement is completely wrong.

 

Riot Pwyff Button Rioter Riot Pwyff: AM CAUGHT. In this regard I’d rather not argue technicalities (it’s DDoS attacks!), so I’ll just go ahead and eat this humble pie.
Apologies, this is actually a demonstrable case where we’ve given out RP for this specific type of server instability. On that note, giving out RP to our players has problems outside of cost (of which IP boosts actually have a monetary cost as well), so this isn’t a simple case of greed.
Final note, and not meaning to be too jovial here, but I find it rather ironic that the one demonstrable case of giving out RP for server instability was… Europe. Sorry. HAD TO POINT IT OUT.

 

 

 demorphic Button Rioter Demorphic: Moving forward, compensation is a concept we’re going to have to reevaluate. It’s clear that IP boosts arent good for everyone anymore. Also legacy skins aren’t realistic for established platforms. This causes as much pain as it solves.

Should we have service disruption in the future, we’d like to be able to offer an apology that’s satisfactory to as many players as possible. We’ve heard your feedback loud and clear.

All I can do is promise that we will be smarter about communication both internally and here with you guys when it comes to compensation.

We get you if you don’t accept this apology, but we still hope to earn back your trust in the future.

 

 

I still can’t connect, what should I do?

 

Riot tmxButton Rioter Riot tmx: Yes, we’re still working on this issue and I’m sad seeing some players still having connection error. Our recent fix was based on the network configuration changes and we know it finally worked for majority of players. Connection Error does not happen to players facing this issue week ago. If you still can’t connect and it lasts for days, please contact EU Player Support and ask them to forward your e-mail address over to me. I’ll work with you directly to get it resolved. We did it in the past with some other players.

 

 

What about LP lost during server instability?

 

Riot Pwyff Button Rioter Riot Pwyff: On that front, because it’s just so difficult to clearly prove a loss due to server issues (and at what point we apply a cut-off point) that retroactively compensating LP is nearly impossible for the entire player base. We do turn on loss forgiven mode as soon as we know issues arise, but there can be delays and we apologize for that.

 

 

 

Is the PBE involved in the technical issues lately?

 

Riot tmxButton Rioter Riot tmx: We do use PBE for testing our deploys, patches, hotfixes, etc. It’s in constant use for client-based issues and new releases are always first deployed to the test server and many bugs are caught this way. It does not cover all the re-configurations (this word is unfortunate, but I’m talking about all platform changes, firewall policies, drives, front and backend applications, database modifications, Coherence tweaks, etc) we perform on our network and system infrastructure. On the other hand, PBE lives in our datacenter and is hosted from some of our standard game servers, so in fact it is a part of our bug investigation.

 

 

Non-related questions

 

 

Why was the decision to split European servers made?

 

sonicdeathriotButton Rioter sonicdeathriot: EUW and EU Nordic do not share the same servers.  They do share certain network switch infrastrcuture today.  We are currently completely seperating EUW and EU Nordic from any shared network gear to prevent a network gear issue from impacting both regions at the same time.   It will always be possible that Internet or Data Center facilities that suport EUW or EU Nordic could still create issues that affect both services.

 

 

What happened to the Custom Sets tab?

 

Riot BanksyButton Rioter Riot Banksy: Soon after the 3.7 release, we started to see potentially similar service disruption issues globally. We quickly ascertained that the root of the issue was network related and wanted to quickly nullify any variables that may be causing the issue. As a result, we decided to revert the 3.7 client to remove the possibility that we were in fact creating a self-inflicted problem. In the roll back to an older client, we removed Custom Item Sets. This feature will be returning in an upcoming release.

 

 

How was the server issue in Korea different from the one in Europe?

 

sonicdeathriot Button Rioter sonicdeathriot: I just posted a long read on the core switch issue that has occasionaly affected EUW and other regions over the last 6 months.  We upgraded the Europe based networks in April to eliminate this problem (we did not know root cause at that time but we thought we would try a different architecture with even larger capacity equipment to see if we could make it go away, and it went away).

Once we saw Europe improve we ordered more gear for Europe and gear for Korea.  As mentioned in my long read, this gear takes a long time to get from the manufacture as it is made to order (it is too expensive for them to keep it sitting on the shelf waiting for someone to order and it is customized for each customer’s needs).  So around the first week of May we ordered for Korea but knew we still had the problem to deal with until we could get the new gear shipped into Korea and installed.   So we continued to work on root cause of the problem in Korea with the manufacture of the core switches.  Wednesday the 22nd of May we pushed a change to the Korea core switches in an attempt to address what the manufacture thought was the root cause.  Things worked well for a couple of days until Korea hit their Friday night weekend peak player load.   Korea crashed twice at their peak Friday night the 24th and then every peak time for the next 4 days.  Creating huge login queues and multiple additional off peak outages as we tried to stablize the service.   On Weds the 29th of May we finally stablized the Korea service during peak times but continued to deal with daily outages as we had to clean up lots of small problems still affecting them.  We don’t have Korea fully out of the woods yet, we are dealing with another issue that has affected 10′s of thousands of players about every other day at peak times.

 

 

PvP Client

 

Rioter Damiya shares a few words on the dreaded Adobe Air Client, as well as opinion on the way lore is implemented in the menus.

 

 

Will you be switching the Adobe Air Client?

 

DamiyaButton Rioter Damiya: There are no current plans to move away from Air.

 

 

 

 

Damiya Button Rioter Damiya: I’ll be the first to admit there are some problems with the client as it exists right now, but Air (and more specifically the Flash ecosphere) is not the culprit. PVP.Net is a complex piece of software that has to be shipped out to over 30 million people twice a month (more or less); improving legacy code designed for a more humble 10 thousand players is somewhat akin to replacing parts of an airplane engine… While midflight, over the Atlantic, at about 35 thousand feet. It’s a delicate process, and the number one priority is ensuring the continued stability of the player experience.

That said, the process of improving parts is ongoing; the Login screen was reworked a few months back, and with the 3.9 PBE patch, we’ll be rolling out a rewrite of the view code for the Runes screen; it should be more responsive and less buggy.

Keep an eye on the PBE forums for more info on that in the near future.

 

 

Will you improve the way lore is presented?

 

DamiyaButton Rioter Damiya: We’re  aggressively exploring options to improve the presentation of lore in  PVP.Net. I feel like Freljord was just the tip, as they say. Of the  iceberg, that is

I’m a huge fan of the stuff Kitae’s team is doing

I’ll bring up the Ping thing but I don’t know that there’s a really good way to do that.

 

 

Champion/Skin Sale

 

Champion Sale  10th June

Pick up the following champions and skins at a discount until June 10th!

 

 

Champions:

 

Karthus – 395 RP

Sejuani – 487 RP

Swain – 440 RP

 

 

Almost-Prom King Amumu – 260 RP

 

Almost-prom King Amumu

 

Foxfire Ahri 487 RP

 

Foxfire Ahri

 

General Wukong – 375 RP

 

General Wukong

 

 

Good luck on the login queue!

 

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Here is a compact, comprehensible excerpt from the recent Freljord AMA on Reddit, featuring Morello, IronStylus, Runaan, Brackhar, 3PEET, Meddler, Nome, Kitae and Entropy!



sejuani_lore2The Freljord
ARAM
The Howling Abyss
Poro
Lissandra
Champion Changes
Champion Lore
Skins
In closing



The Freljord

 

 

 

How long ago did you guys start developing Freljord?

 

SwainBilgewaterParrot

Riotlink Button IronStylus: Around 9 months ago I’d say but nothing concrete was ever said, like, WE WILL MAKE A FRELJORD EVENT, until Lissandra evolved. That sparked the fire for Freljord.. or made the idea.. snowball. HEH!

 

SwainBilgewaterParrotRiotlink Button IronStylus: Not 100% sure on this, but because of how ambitious this event and patch were, it did take a lot of marination time!

 

 

Lux_Splash_3Riotlink Button Kitae: What iron stylus said. We knew we wanted to do a faction themed patch that would be bigger and better than Shadow Isles. When Lissandra started to evolve, we all got really excited about making Freljord that event.

 

 

 

 What inspired you all to make the Freljord focus for this patch?

 

SwainBilgewaterParrotRiotlink Button IronStylus: It was a HUGE effort but one that occurred very organically in the teams across design, features, art, creative, etc. We all were inspired by each others work and it really fed itself. It was indeed a tough push, there were producers in charge of owning the project, but it was a very, very big collaborative effort.

 

 

What made you want to use Freljord as the new ARAM map?

 

ChovatarRiotlink Button Brackhar: A bit of it was a result of timing – we were discussing the idea of a Freljord event back even while we were working on Twisted Treeline, and given that we wanted to upgrade Proving Grounds in general we saw a nice opportunity to tie it into a larger event as a whole. Additionally, a big icy bridge over an infinite abyss seemed like a pretty cool idea in general. :)

 

 

Will you show us more of your Freljord concept art?

 

SwainBilgewaterParrotRiotlink Button IronStylus: We have tons.. like.. TONS of concept art. Most of what you saw in the mini-doc was done for that component of our IP development. We’re deep in the process of fleshing our the world of Runterra. That process was expedited by the Freljord event and that created a wealth of very polished art that inspired everything from champions, skins, Howling Abyss, etc.

I’d love to see how we can make this art available, I’ll check with our art director to see if there are any plans!

 

 

How will you continue the story of the Freljord?

 

Lux_Splash_3Riotlink Button Kitae: The Story of the Freljord will take a while to tell, it won’t be resolved in the next few months!

We’re not specifically setting out to consolidate factions, but we are looking to tell stories involving multiple champions, and we want to establish relationships between champions. We will shuffle things around occasionally to hit this goal.

 

 

Will the war between the three sisters and their tribes ever end?

 

Lux_Splash_3Riotlink Button Kitae: We are definitely going to progress the Freljord story and big changes are totally possible. We could see champions switching tribes etc. In the end there will be only one Queen of the Freljord.

 

 

Would you have done this patch without the Howling Abyss?

 

Lux_Splash_3Riotlink Button Kitae: We don’t think new maps are a requirement for faction lore events. We have more factions than maps by far! However, with the Howling Abyss we had a cool opportunity to upgrade the map and set it in the Freljord, so we took it.

We’re really open about how we will do further Freljord storytelling. For the patch we had: a video, multiple voiceovers, lore shopkeepers, Quinn’s journals. Nothing is off the table for future storytelling.

 

 

Is this event an attempt at exploring the world of League of Legends?

 

SwainBilgewaterParrotRiotlink Button IronStylus: I really want to see us expand upon the world and make it a living breathing place. I’m not really sure about integrating it into maps, that can be a big task. However, I really want to see us at least do this sort of thing where we do the website treatment, maybe something through the client, interactive maps, etc, that really show us a peak into the world.

 

 

Which of the three Freljord tribe icons is the most popular so far?

 

SwainBilgewaterParrotRiotlink Button IronStylus: It’s actually neck-and-neck.

We wanted all three tribes to be appealing in their own way. What we’re seeing is broad support for all three tribes. That’s awesome, it makes their conflict way more interesting!

 

 

What has Demacia learned from the journey of Quinn into the Freljord?

 

EzrealRiotlink Button RiotRunaanDemacia has acknowledged that the Freljord could potentially become a threat in the future, but as the war there is just beginning to unravel, they’re not going to interfere just yet. So long as the Freljord is busy fighting itself, Demacia has no need to fear a united barbarian front crashing down on their borders. Jarvan will certainly be keeping an eye on the Freljord, though, and maybe Quinn will go on another scouting mission eventually.

 

 

Does the Freljord pose danger for Demacia and Noxus?

 

Lux_Splash_3Riotlink Button Kitae: A united Freljord could be a danger to any of the factions of Runeterra. Their divided nature is the only thing that has stopped Freljord from rising to become a dangerous power.

If Ashe is victorious that would be the safest outcome, due to her diplomatic nature, but even then Freljord is a dangerous sleeping giant.



 ARAM


 

Balancing ARAM

 

Can you explain the rationale behind the following balance changes to ARAM?

  • Shop buying range. On PG you could walk back to the shop and buy as long as you didn’t pass your inhibitor. This gave defenders a chance and made the map less one-sided. A lot of people are unhappy about this change.
  • Warmogs removal. (Warmogs countered poke teams and gave melee a chance. Why would you remove it?)
  • 5 pots limit. Did anyone ask for this? Was this an oversight? This also really seems like a buff to poke teams and to teams with healers.
  • Poros showing you if bushes are occupied. Some people like this and some don’t.
  • Fountain laser range is still not clearly shown.
  • Perspective changes (the camera is zoomed out further and more straight vertical).
  • Shop range visibility. The shop fails to clearly communicate that it is no longer usable. It can take a while for grandpa to walk away on purple side, and blue side shop is kind of confusing as well. PG immediately showed that the shop was closed when the blue walls came up.

Additional questions:

  • Will ARAM matchmaking be improved? I would never join a custom ARAM game that didn’t kick all non-30s. Why am I forced to carry level 25s by this matchmaking system?
  • Are we going to see ARAM-specific balance changes like you promised for TT and Dominion? Like map-specific nerfs to Janna, Jayce, Nid, Yi, Soraka, etc. and buffs to Shyvana and Trynd?
  • ARAM ranked?
  • Did you take into consideration how many champions each of the three factions has, for purposes of the icon contest? It’s a lot easier for someone to want to side with one of the five Avarosan or four Winter’s Claw champions than the two Frostguard champions (and one is brand new and the other has brand new lore – so basically people don’t know either of them). I ask because many players are assuming there will be some sort of “most picked faction” reward, like with Ionian Boots.
  • Is there a solution in the pipeline for framerate issues on HA? Many people have much worse framerates on HA than they did on PG.

 


LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome
: I’ll try to answer as many of these as possible.

 

 

  • We’ll be expanding the shop buying range in a future patch.
  • Warmog’s didn’t counter poke teams; poke teams dominated early game, and used that advantage to snowball into late game. What Warmog’s did was counter ranged teams, and allows melee champions toeventually become useful, but among good players, almost always win. We added the Guardian’s Horn to fulfill the niche that a health/regen item should have filled early, but still remain useful mfrom mid-to-late game.
  • They’re a gameplay mechanic now, and it’s intended ;)
  • The perspective is different from Summoner’s Rift, but should be identical to Proving Grounds. Regardless of its differences to other maps, it was a judgment call we made very early. It allows players to see more of the map art, but also gives a slight nerf to long-ranged poke champions.
  • Shop visibility will be much better once the range is properly extended.

Additional answers… * It’s unlikely you’ll see any ARAM-specific balance changes immediately. We may decide to come back and do slight adjustments in the future based on data and how well the TT/CS changes are received.

  • I believe the icon contest simply requires you to win 10 games wearing the icon. You don’t need to play a champion of the faction.
  • We’re working on performance!

 

 

Banshee’s Veil in ARAM

 

In my experience the removal of Warmog’s has made all AP teams a lot more powerful in general than a team with such an obvious flaw of being stacked to one damage type should be.

Would you consider changing Banshee’s Veil to the dominion version - Odyn’s Veil on HA to give more options to counter these kinds of team compositions? The passive on Banshee’s Veil feels extremely underwhelming on this map and I think the way Odyn’s is designed for constant aggressive play would better fit the pace of HA games.

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: That’s not a bad idea, actually. Now that Howling Abyss is done, we do plan on revisiting both TT and CS from a design standpoint. There’s a lot of work to be done, and large item overhauls are a big part of it. The HP/MR options are a bit sparse on Howling Abyss, so we’ll keep that in mind for future changes!

 

 

No Warmog’s in ARAM is a problem

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: I agree; I think there’s still room for additional HP/MR options. Warmog’s won’t be one of them though; it was just too toxic in how required it was for victory.

 

 

 

Duplicating champions after a re-roll

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: As far as I know, you can only have duplicate champions when someone re-rolls. We’re fixing this soon, last I heard.

 

 

 

Fog of War in ARAM

 

What about overall vision? Once your two towers are down you can’t see far down the lane at all.

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: This likely won’t change, as there’s not much use for greater breadth of vision on the map. On the topic of vision though, I will say that we experimented with some additional gameplay mechanics very early on. One of them involved detaching allied vision during the high winds (think Nocturne’s ultimate). The idea here was that the periodic high winds would blind your character, creating a state of frenzy that would break up the monotony of long-range poking. It’d also allow melee characters a great chance to run in and capitalize on disorganization.

 

 

What happened to balance per game mode?

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: That’s still going to happen; it’s just not going to happen for ARAM immediately. There’s a lot of reasons we’re not going to do it; unlike CS and TT, HA isn’t as far removed from Summoner’s Rift. We may come back and make small tweaks eventually.

 

 

 

Is the MMR for ARAM Matchmaking separate from the other game modes?

 

ChovatarRiotlink Button Brackhar: Yeap, it is.

 

 

The Howling Abyss

 

 

 

Will you add tower damage to Summoner’s Rift?

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: Summoner’s Rift is our most popular map, so it means we’ll have to do a lot of performance investigations and research before porting a change like this over. On Howling Abyss for example, there’s a fairly complex logic system that swaps out the current turret mesh with the appropriate destructible/destroyed mesh at the appropriate time. There’s performance considerations for every little bit of visual flair we do, and we’d want to make sure we do it right.

 

 

How about a visual overhaul of SR?

 

Zilean_OldSaintRiotlink Button 3PEET: The goal of the Environment team is to bring the immersion and visual quality of League of Legends to the highest point possible while improving the clarity and gameplay experience.

The rework of Twisted Treeline was a good step in the right direction. We implemented a lot of new techniques and technology and worked with creative to push the Shadow Isles lore.

With Howling Abyss we tackled a lot of tough challenges such as pushing depth, destruction, weather, ambient creatures, unique shop keepers and many other aspects.

We will continue pushing the quality bar while answering as many tough questions for what we can and cant do in our game. I don’t have any specific details about Summoners Rift, but I can say we will eventually be overhauling everything that is not at the highest quality. :)

 

 

Why did you add so many sound effects to the shopkeeper on Howling Abyss?

 

Lux_Splash_3Riotlink Button Kitae: Shopkeepers were an unobtrusive way for us reveal lore and backstory to players without interfering with the game. We’re always looking for ways to combine lore with gameplay, but never at the expense of gameplay.

 

 

 

The music of the Abyss

 

  1. I’ve noticed that the music in the Howling Abyss has a lot of really cool stingers added in for different in game events, for example taking a tower brings in some massive drums and dying fades in some drones and creepy whispers. What else did you do to make the music in the Howling Abyss so fluid and seemingly endless?

  2. In the Freljord theme, at the latter half of 00:06, there’s this low sort of war-like brass sound. What instrument/combination of instruments is that?

 

Mordekaiser Pentakill

Riotlink Button RiotPraeco: 1. Basically, apart from the victory/defeat and the death-track, there are 5 different music tracks and phases with different intensity to support a conscious emotional development of the individual game. The music shouldn’t just feel the same throughout the whole game, but progress with it. We also added a few other ambiences to glue the whole sonic experience together, so the sound effects have a nice “cushion” to sit on.

2. That instrument actually had a very conscious concept, thanks for asking, I like talking about that one. :) Basically, I talked to Sam Estes, one of my good friends, and told him “Hey, can you develop me an instrument that sounds like an ice giant carved out a gigantic tree and then blew air through it, to create this huge and intimidating tone, that still sounds very organic and natural?” – And that he did. :) He’s a very talented instrument designer.



Poro =D


 

What is a Poro?

 

EzrealRiotlink Button RiotRunaanMysterious, ice-dwelling fuzz balls who have found a home near the Howling Abyss. They enjoy mocking and toying with those who cross the bridge. :P

 

 

 

How did you come up with the idea of Poro?

 

Zilean_OldSaintRiotlink Button 3PEET: The environment art team had a meeting to discuss the overly aggressive feel of the map. We decided we needed some some whimsical elements to balance it out. We did some simple concepts and Poro came up. :)

 

 

Love that you can target them!


LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button 
RiotNome
: Unintended! We weren’t entirely attached to the name “Poro” until it leaked on PBE because someone pinged it. We had no idea that was possible. I suppose, as someone who really loved that name, it worked out well.

 

 

Did the name Poro come from the Finnish word for Reindeer?

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: We didn’t have any Finns on the Howling Abyss team as far as I know, but I do recall us realizing very early what it meant in Finnish. It’s a pleasant coincidence I suppose.

 

 

 

Was it intended to have Poro killed by the fountain laser?

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: I don’t know. Was it!? >:D

 

 

 

 

 Why do the Poros explode when they are fed?

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: Well, our animator CaptainLx made a death animation, and we wanted to find a way to use it, so naturally it turned into “how many awful ways can Poros die”. We threw around ideas like “what if the Poros got squished when the turrets crumbled over them” and “what if they ran really quickly, so if you actually caught them, you would step on them and they’d explode.” Brackhar vetoed them those ideas… blame him. Poros exploding after eating snacks ended up being a pretty innocuous way to use the animation.

 

 

But whyyyy? ;(

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: Something so fat and puffy was meant to be blown up.

 

 

 

 

Can we have a Poro plushie?

 

LeeSin_DragonFist_Foot_AvatarRiotlink Button RiotNome: I’d rather have a Poro beanie bag myself. Or a beach ball. Or water balloons (filled with smaller Poro water balloons). Kick! Punch! Throw! >:O

 

 

Lissandra



 

What inspired Lissandra’s visuals?

 

SwainBilgewaterParrot

Riotlink Button IronStylus: Lissandra had always been a topic of discussion. We had two Freljord sisters, where was the 3rd? Initially she was “The Ice Dervish” and was envisioned to be more of an assassin, with ice blades growing out of her. She was regal and almost “good” looking. She had some elemental aspects to her but she was very traditionally human.

Not much traction was gained with those particular concepts. It just wasn’t really striking a chord with anyone. One of our newest concept artists at the time, Trevor Claxton, tried to take a stab at her soon after he came in. He proceeded to create something truely unique, and almost alien. His image of an otherworldly type woman carried upon a trail of black ice was a spark. It was that concept that spurred new ideas of how super-natural and strange Lissandra could be.

What worked about this concept was that this person felt like a queen, but not in the standard crown wearing way. She was indeed regal, but she was terrifying. She was almost abstract in her anatomy and shapes. It was this real breath of fresh air that spurred something that everyone could get behind on. It created a lot of momentum in helping Lissandra turn out as amazing as her concept.

I’ll have to ask Trevor, but Elesh Norn might have been inspiration!

 

Ziggs_Splash_0Riotlink Button RiotMeddler: Visually we wanted something with a somewhat alien, no longer human look, hence the unusual proportions, head dress etc. On the gameplay side we really wanted to capture some of Lissandra’s personality in her abilities – vicious, manipulative, dominating. We also wanted to explore a niche we haven’t used as much, a shorter range mage with strong initiation potential, whether in lane, team fights or ganks.

 

 

Can you tell us more about her ultimate?

 

Ziggs_Splash_0Riotlink Button RiotMeddler: We were aiming for a few things with Lissandra’s ultimate. The first was to try and create an interesting choice between two different uses (self cast/enemy cast) to add some extra tension to fights as both the Lissandra player and as the enemy.

 

The second was to try and create a gameplay link to a key element of Lissandra’s lore, the desire to see the cold return and everything freeze. The final big reason was that we wanted to give her a high impact, short range ability, that, when needed, would allow her to survive in team fights, so that she could continue to build/play more like a mage than a tank, despite having both initiation capability and short range CC.

 

 

Why doesn’t Lissandra have an explicit reason for joining the League?

 

Lux_Splash_3Riotlink Button Kitae: We used to put one liners in bios to describe why champions joined the League. These weren’t satisfying, and they weren’t good stories. Our focus now is on telling compelling stories that help players understand who a champion is. If you look at all of Lissandra’s story elements (bio, login screen VO, howling abyss easter egg, video, Quinn’s journals) you can build a complete understanding of her character and motivation.



Champion changes


 

Why did you change Ashe’s voice?

 

EzrealRiotlink Button RiotRunaan: As one of the oldest champions in League of Legends, Ashe had a very limited VO script. We wanted to bring her up to the amount of lines we give our new champions (similar to the way champions like Twisted Fate and Annie got updated scripts with their visual upgrades) as well as give her tie-ins with other champions for the Freljord event. Her voice actress is the same.

 

 

Did you also update Anivia’s voice?

 

EzrealRiotlink Button RiotRunaanYes, Anivia’s voice over was updated as well for many of the same reasons. :)

 

 

 

 

Everything about the new Sejuani

 

As an avid player of the old Sejuani I have a lot of questions involving the rework:

    1. I have an interesting question regarding player perception. The Sejuani rework was actually a pretty decent nerf to her numbers wise, and slight changes to risk and reward. Yet everyone I’ve talked to that hasn’t played the old Sejuani too much thinks that the new Sejuani is way stronger. I think that this is very interesting that people’s opinion on Sejuani changed so much despite the main changes being visual. What is it that makes people see the new Sejuani as more powerful? Is it the new looks? Her new feel? (because in-game she has a very hefty feel to her) or is it that Sejuani was always pretty powerful and the rework just turned attention toward her?

 

    1. The old Sejuani had a very nice kit in my opinion, everything had really good synergy with everything else in her kit. It feels like the new Sej doesn’t really have that, especially her new Q. The problem with the new Q is that it is now only single target, which feels off in many situations. What was the thought behind the decision to change the Q to a single target skill?

 

    1. Piggybacking off my previous question about Sej’s kit, I’d like to ask about the removal of frost’s slow. The old passive on Sej was actually extremely useful, but it didn’t have too much of a visual effect in game. It allowed a Sej with only 350 movespeed to keep up with an enemy with 389 movement speed. This was a big deal in keeping on your enemy and making sure they kept taking your damage. With the new Sejuani, there is really nothing keeping them near you after the 2-3 seconds of E, and unless you burn ult they’re free to just walk away if they’re faster. What was the thought behind removing the slowing part of frost from Sej’s kit?

 

    1. When Sejuani first came out there was a saying about her that said after 30 minutes she was just a walking ult. This later got proved wrong, but I actually feel as if this is true of the new Sejuani. I feel that the reason for this is the decent nerf to her w, which when calculated with 2000 extra health bought comes out to about 500 less damage, this includes the 50% extra damage on frosted targets old Sej had. Late game there really isn’t much reason to focus her in a teamfight, unlike a lot of other tanks in the game. What are your opinions on this subject?

 

    1. Continuing off the previous question, I am pretty unhappy with the changes to her W. The old W felt very responsive and was simple in its application. In contrast, the new W feels very clunky and unnecessarily complex. My main gripe is with the second delay between activation and when the aoe damage starts, even if you decide to double tap the W. Beyond that I dislike that the modified auto attack doesn’t scale with health, unlike the rest of the skill. I feel like these are slight problems because there isn’t anything beyond the E and R if you decide to burn it that keeps them near you, so it feels like you need to pack all the damage you can into the 3 seconds that E is in effect. What was the decision making process in giving her a delay in her aoe, and making it also have a modified auto attack as part of it?

 

  1. Her ult had a couple of changes involved with it, it got an extremely slight range buff, I’m not 100% on this but it feels like the aoe of the burst was shortened by a good amount, now everyone within the aoe is stunned for a full 2 seconds instead of 2 for the person hit and 1 for everyone else, and now if you miss hitting someone it applies a slow within the aoe. I feel like this change added on an extremely substantial risk, for only a small change in reward. What are your views and thoughts regarding this?

 

EzrealRiotlink Button RiotRunaan: 1. Our goal with the Sejuani rework was to shift power around, make it more visible and increase her risk reward on a couple of skills a bit, not to nerf or buff. I believe that the change in perception of Sejuani is a combination of some successes there (the addition of the knockup on the charge for example, in exchange for harder to perceive damage on the W) and all the extra attention she’s got due to the Freljord event/her visual rework.

2. Primary reason for making the charge single target was power. While testing the rework internally we had Sejuani consistently dominating games and removing a bit of AOE damage helped bring that under control. A secondary reason was consistency, having enemy champions take the damage but not the knock up felt odd and making the skill an AOE knockup wasn’t an option.

3. We’ve found permaslows to be really difficult to make both satisfying and balanced when they’re available throughout the game and not gated in some form (mana/CDs/something else). Something we wanted to do with Sejuani was increase her high moments but also give a few more options for counter play for the enemy in exchange, and the removal of the permaslow was a part of that trade off. Having said that Sejuani still has a knockup, one of the strongest multi target slows in the game and an AOE stun/slow, so she’s still pretty sticky compared to most champions.

4. Most tanks fall off late game to some degree and Sejuani does follow that pattern. Her damage is pretty solid/arguably a bit on the high side compared to other similar champions and she brings a lot of utility/disruption to a fight so we’re not currently concerned about her having a lack of late game impact. We are keeping a really close eye on both her and Trundle in terms of performance though and will be tweaking them as needed.

5. We wanted to involve Sejuani’s flail in her kit a bit more, give a small optimisation moment (correct use of auto attack reset) and give the enemy another small moment of counterplay (avoid the auto attack reset, take a bit less damage).

6. The burst radius on the ult hasn’t changed, though both it’s range and speed have been increased slightly. The full stun for everyone versus slow if you miss is a shift towards a higher risk/reward patten. The worst case scenario for the Sejuani player is definitely weaker, a 2 second AOE stun at long range though is incredibly powerful and a substantial increase in power compared to 2 second primary target/1 second others, so we’re happy with that change at present.



Champion Lore


 

Why did Udyr move from Ionia to the Freljord?

 

ThreshSquareRiotlink Button RiotEntropy: Udyr’s primal nature and shaman-like abilities felt very at home in the Freljord, so we looked at ways to involve him in the upcoming event. In the end we decided to expand his open-ended origins to the Freljord and empower him as a guardian of the natural order on Runeterra. Lissandra and the Frozen Watcher give him an immediate motive to be involved in the events unfolding in the Freljord.

 

 

What about Gragas?

 

ThreshSquareRiotlink Button RiotEntropy: Gragas needed a change. While his original motivation left us room to explore, his old story made him a hermit who did little other than pursue the art of brewing on his remote plot of land and occasionally wander into Noxus to make mischief. By taking away his crutch, the nexus on his land that gives his alcohol power, we could give him agency in the world and even agency into his own source of power.

Gragas is now someone who wanders the world searching to become the best brewmaster in history and he became powerful because he had the audacity to make concoctions no one else would dream of and possessed the constitution to stomach them.

What you see in the bio is one excerpt of Gragas’s life long quest, not the end all be all of his life’s work.

 

 

Brand was found in Lokfar. Does that mean an impending lore update?


Lux_Splash_3Riotlink Button 
Kitae
: Brand – Brand was never from Lokfar, the body he possessed was from Lokfar. While Brand definitely wants to burn the Freljord, that’s because the Freljord is part of the world and he wants the world to burn.

But Brand may know something about Lissandra and the Watchers.

 

 

What about the ice cage Brand was found in?

 

Lux_Splash_3Riotlink Button Kitae: Yup! I wonder who made that cage….hmmmm.



Skins



 

Why Icedrake Shyvana? She’s not from Freljord.

 

SwainBilgewaterParrotRiotlink Button IronStylus: We sort of wanted to explore some “alternate reality” here, showing what champions might look like in an interaction with this event. Sometimes the theme just makes for a nice treatment for the champion!

 

 

What’s the story behind Blackfrost Anivia?

 

morellovatarRiotlink Button Morello: Blackfrost Anivia is the vision of a possibility – what would happen if the Frostguard were successful. Specifically, we wanted to make this still be Anivia, but under the shackles of being warped and corrupted. She still wants to protect the land and the world, but her method is twisted…she sees freezing the world solid, so it can’t hurt itself anymore, as the only viable option. It’s a tragic glimpse into what would happen to such a noble character should the land become warped by Lissandra.

 

 

Why didn’t you include Freljord-themed ward skins?

 

morellovatarRiotlink Button Morello: The actual answer was lack of time – this is something we really like as an idea.




In closing



 

Was the Freljord patch exhausting for you, Rioters?

 

EzrealRiotlink Button RiotRunaanA little bit exhausting… but EXTREMELY rewarding. :) Everyone involved poured tons of love and extreme effort into this thing, and it’s amazing to see it finally get out to you guys.

 

 

 

 Are there future plans for patches this big?

 

SwainBilgewaterParrotRiotlink Button IronStylus: We have some stuff in the works ;) As per usual we don’t have time tables because content and context is always evolving. I do feel as though we’ll break out other patches like this, at least if players feel Freljord in particular was valuable. So, thanks for your support! I do very much want us to flesh out areas which are ambiguous and less developed…. especially Mount Targon ;)

 

 

Will you be taking into account the community’s opinion for future updates?

 

morellovatarRiotlink Button MorelloWe do a lot of user research on the scientific level (davin leads this up), and pay attention to the forums and feedback, but we factor all this in overall. Sometimes, we’ll do things that aren’t popular, but feedback is important on how to do it better or what pain points players feel when doing it.

Basically, we’re never going to move to a design-by-committee system or anything, but we’re never going to just ignore feedback and trudge ahead. We may disagree sometimes, or there may be a bigger picture that players aren’t able to see, but it doesn’t change that feedback matters and is important :)

 

 

What impact does Community Feedback have on Relaunches?

 

SwainBilgewaterParrotRiotlink Button IronStylus: I can answer part of this: I think we want to message Relaunches better. We want to explain goals and the direction we feel we want to go, like Morello did recently on the subject of Sion. I’ve done some digging myself and we also have research initiatives we can do with players who are passionate about these characters and how to retain what is special.

 

 

What did Riot learn from this experience?

 

morellovatarRiotlink Button MorelloTo me, I think the biggest takeaway is how to more smoothly apply changes. This is something we already have a bit of practice with in game balance, but I think talking a little earlier and getting people’s expectations set before we make changes (and understanding how to both meet our long-term goals and be less disruptive) is a big lesson. See my Sion thread on the forums to see what I mean.

 

 

Hopefully this article has answered all your questions regarding the Freljord;

if not, feel free to ask me in the comment section below!

 

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 Patch 3.5 Banner

 

Check out the latest tweaks to Akali, Lux, Karma and Volibear, as well as a plethora of changes to the Spirit and Mythical Items!

 

 

Balance Changes

 

 

AkaliSquare

 

 

     

       Akali

Mark_of_the_AssassinMark of the Assassin (Q)

  • Initial damage reduced to 35/55/75/95/115 from 45/70/95/120/145
  • Mark detonation damage Ability Power ratio increased to 0.5 from 0.4

 

 

Shadow_DanceShadow Dance (R)

  •  Essence of Shadow charge rate increased to 35/25/15 seconds from 25/20/15

 

As an assassin, Akali should be a champion with high risk and high reward. These changes increase her early game risk while retaining her later game potential.

 

 

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      Corki

Missile_BarrageMissile Barrage (R)

  •  Now fires a Big One every 3rd missile instead of every 4th
  • Missile charge rate reduced to 12/10/8 seconds from 12

 

 

KarmaSquare

 

 

 

     Karma

Gathering_FireGathering Fire (Passive)

  • Mantra cooldown reduction increased to 2 seconds at all levels from 1/1.5/2

 

Inner_FlameInner Flame (Q)

  • The detonation area now occurs at the actual point of missile impact instead of at the center of the initial target that is hit

 

Focused_ResolveFocused Resolve (W)

  • Mana cost reduced to 70/75/80/85/90 from 70/80/90/100/110
  • Now applies Gathering Fire‘s effect on each instance of damage dealt instead of only once on initial application, but now deals damage 3 times over the duration instead of 6

 

InspireInspire (E)

  • Movement Speed duration increased to 1.5 seconds from 1.25
  • Fixed a bug where the tooltip stated the shield was 80/115/150/185/220 instead of its actual value of 80/120/160/200/240

 

DefianceDefiance (Mantra + Inspire) (R+E)

  • Movement Speed bonus is now 60% instead of 20/30/40/50/60% (based on Inspire’s current rank)
  • Ally shield / haste range increased to 700 from 600

 

These changes to Karma include several quality of life improvements and enhance her ability to generate multiple Mantras in well-executed fights.

 

 

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      Kayle

Divine_Blessing

Divine Blessing (W)

  • Cast range reduced to 900 from 1000

 

Intervention

Intervention (R)

  • Cast range reduced to 900 from 1200

 

Previous to these changes, Kayle’s support spells could often be cast completely off-screen from her opponents. With these reduced ranges, it should be easier for opponents to anticipate her presence in fights.

 

 

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        Lux

  • Base Movement Speed reduced to 330 from 340

Final_Spark

Final Spark (R)

  • Cooldown increased to 80/65/50 seconds from 80/60/40

 

On top of her long range and wide array of defensive abilities, Lux was also among the fastest ranged champions in the game. These changes force Lux to be more mindful of her timing and positioning as opponents now have more opportunities to capitalize on her mistakes.

 

 

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  Morgana

Dark_Binding

Dark Binding (Q)

  • Mana cost reduced to 50/60/70/80/90 from 60/75/90/105/120

Soul_Shackles

 

Soul Shackles (R)

  • Mana cost reduced to 100 at all ranks from 100/150/200

 

 

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      Nami

Tidal_Wave

Tidal Wave (R)

  • Range increased to 2750 from 2500
  • Cooldown reduced to 120/110/100 seconds from 140/120/100
  • Mana cost reduced to 100 at all ranks from 100/150/200

 

Nami’s been getting consistent improvements to her kit and this latest change buffs her ultimate in almost every aspect. Hopefully we’ll see her rise to Sona and Lulu’s level soon!

 

 

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   Nautilus

  • Base Armor increased to 19 from 15

Titan's_Wrath

Titan’s Wrath (W)

  • Cooldown reduced to 22/21/20/19/18 seconds from 26/24/22/20/18

 

 

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     Nunu

Absolute_Zero

Absolute Zero (R)

  • Cooldown reduced to 110/100/90 seconds from 150/120/90
  • Mana cost reduced to 100 from 150

 

 

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     Quinn

Harrier

Harrier (Passive) 

  • Valor now marks targets slightly more frequently
  • Targets are now marked more immediately when Valor lands on the target

 

Vault

Vault (E)

  • Quinn now lands closer to her target when using Vault from far away

 

 

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      Urgot

Acid_Hunter

Acid Hunter (Q) + Noxian Corrosive Charge (E) Combo

  • Now displays Acid Hunter’s lock-on range while there is a visible, nearby enemy champion marked by Noxian Corrosive Charge

 

 

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  Volibear

Rolling_Thunder

Rolling Thunder (Q)

    • Movement Speed bonus toward champions adjusted to 30/35/40/45/50% from 45% at all ranks

Volibear was an extremely powerful duelist as well as an almost guaranteed initiator for early skirmishes. In order to preserve his presence as a threatening fighter, these changes instead reduce his ability to force engagements early on.

 

Items

 

Spirit_of_the_Ancient_GolemSpirit of the Ancient Golem

  • New Recipe: Spirit Stone + Kindlegem + 450 gold = 2000 gold (total cost reduced from 2300 gold)
  • No longer grants +30 Armor
  • Now grants +10% Cooldown Reduction

 

Spirit of Golem

 

Spirit_of_the_Elder_LizardSpirit of the Elder Lizard

  • New Recipe: Spirit Stone + Long Sword + Long Sword + 500 gold = 2000 gold (total cost reduced from 2300 gold)
  • Attack Damage reduced to 45 from 50

 

 

Spirit of Lizard

 

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Seraph’s Embrace

  • Active Mana cost reduced to 20% current Mana from 25%
  • Active Shield adjusted to 20% of current Mana + 150 from 25% current Mana

 

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Muramana

  • Toggle damage changed to physical from magic

R.I.P Ryze.

 

 

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Check out the latest champions to be made cheaper and enjoy free IP with your next four wins!

 

 

Champion Price Reduction

 

Hippalus's AvatarHippalus: “As previously announced, we’ve been reducing champion prices on a fixed schedule, primarily based on champion release dates. With every third champion we release, an additional champion currently priced at 4800 IP or lower will be reduced to the next lowest tier, based on age and ease of play. Initial price reductions have already been made on champions who were released prior to the ones listed below.

 

Here are the details on our next set of scheduled price reductions. Please note that because these price reductions are pre-announced, refunds will not be granted to players who purchase these champions prior to their price reductions.

 

For our 4th champion launched in 2013 (after Zac): 

  • Skarner will be reduced to 4800 IP / 880 RP
  • Warwick will be reduced to 450 IP / 260 RP

 

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For our 5th and 6th champions launched in 2013:

  • Talon will be reduced to 4800 IP / 880 RP
  • Riven will be reduced to 4800 IP / 880 RP

 

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Additionally, all newly launched champions in 2013 will be reduced from their initial price of 7800 IP to 6300 IP after one week. Click here for more background on the pricing changes and how these champions were selected for reductions.”

 

Explanation

 

Skarner and Warwick have had their prices reduced accordingly, while the release of Lissandra will make Talon cheaper to buy. The next champion update after Lissandra will bring the IP/RP cost changes to Riven. After that, every third champion released (that would be the 9th, 12th, etc) will be followed by a cost reduction of a champion who currently costs 4800 IP or less. Riot will choose which champions to make cheaper based on when he/she/it was released and the difficulty of playing him/her/it. (can we make Ryze 0 IP?)

Here is a helpful graph:

 

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Also, although not mentioned in the post, Wukong’s price was also reduced with the addition of Zac, from 6300 IP / 975 RP to 4800 IP / 880 RP.

 

4 Win IP Boost for EU Players

 

With the recent server hiccups, Riot felt the need to apologize to players… from America. Fortunately, Community Coordinator Ymir has announced that the 4 Win IP Boost given to those who’ve played in the last month will be available for people on the European servers as well!

 

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”Hey all,
Several issues have impacted our live service over the last few weeks. This has been frustrating for us, and also resulted in a frustrating experience for you.

Long-term improvement of our deploy times and quality continues to be a primary goal. Clearly we missed the boat recently. For this reason, we will be compensating players with a 4 Win IP boost. This will be provided to anyone who has logged in within the past 30 days.

With patch 3.5 we encountered some major issues on our European platforms. We play too and feel the downtime and problems like you do. That doesn’t set things right, but your frustration is our frustration and we want to be certain that we fixed these issues before talking about compensation.

Also, we want to apologise for not messaging this to you at the same time as messaging went out in NA. We wanted to get EU messaging out during normal hours, but reaction to the delay shows that we should rethink this approach.

Our platforms are independent, but our community is globally connected. While we are aware of this it’s easy to underestimate just how many of you guys are here throughout the night.

One thing we should never underestimate is how passionate European players are; we want to make certain that you’re in the loop and have an understanding of what is happening so you don’t hear it second hand. We don’t want this to be just words and so we may be quiet at times as we take action, but your feedback always informs what we do.”

 

Spend less and get more – sounds like telemarketing, but it’s actually great news!

Good luck on the Fields of Justice!