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Warwick Rework

Warwick’s experimental kit finally got teased! Please note that this is rework isn’t even on the PBE yet – a ton of things may change.

 

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Well, here’s more information.

(DISCLAIMER as always, this kit will almost definitely change before we ship. It’s not been in actual production yet–that is to say we’ve not tested it with custom animations, models, particle effects, sounds and so on. We’ve been testing a prototype kit with art stolen from the rest of the game. So a lot may change. But this is what we have right now.)

(ALSO SUPER EXTRA DISCLAIMER: We are not in production yet. It’ll be many, many months before we will be. I HOPE we’ll be able to release this rework in 2014, but no guarantees.)

 

Eternal_ThirstEternal Thirst PASSIVE ]

  • . AAs deal 2% of their target’s max HP as magic damage and heal Warwick for 5 flat + (0.9-1.8% bonus hp) (scales with champ level) Every time this passive is procced, WW gains a stack of Eternal Thirst (max 10). Each stack of ET increases the self-heal effect by 11%. Stacks fall off after 1.8s (just enough time to keep the buff alive at lowest AS + a fleeing enemy) (if you’re faster than them), they fall off one at a time at 4 stacks/second (sort of hyper-quick Jinx Q style).

Thoughts: This is where we lock the drain tanking away behind meaningful gating. You gotta be battling dudes to get full access to your drain tanking potential, and unless you open with your ult it’ll take a while to build. The numbers sound really low, but between AAs and your much more spammable Q you’ll get some meaningful heal out of this, especially in super tanky builds where heal is worth more (MR/Ar are multiplicative with healing, obviously.)

 

Hungering_StrikeHungering Strikes [ Q ]

  • Double-attack a nearby enemy target. Deals a total of 80-200 + 0.6 AP magic damage, but does proc on-hits (and your passive) twice. Note: it’s super weird that we have a skill that procs your AAs but ignores your AD. I know. This is a tradeoff the kit needed. Additionally, passive healing from this spell is further increased by 60-100% (so at 10 stacks you’d get 220% base heal from each proc for a total of 440% of the stated value; at level 18 that would be 5 + 1.8% bonus hp–a good value to hit here is about 35 by end game. This works out to about 180 hp healed, before spirit visage.)

This Q is also super spammable (CD 9-5, mana cost 40-60 on a kit with better base mana and better mana regen) (these numbers will definitely change as we move into tuning later in the year)

Thoughts: Your bread and butter “click a unit and heal some” ability. Separating the offensive (AP) and defensive (max health/armor/mr) builds leads to a much more balanceable skill. If you want the damages, you’ll be frail. If you want to be immortal dog, you’ll take forever to kill a target.

 

Hunter's_CallHowl [ W ]

  • (all names placeholder, obviously). PBAOE terrify away from the center of the effect (NOT from WW; subtle distinction, but important for the E). 0.75s duration on the terrify and then a follow up slow, the duration of which scales with skill rank. This is how you gank pre-6 and why the enemy cannot ignore you in team fights. CD 12-8, mana cost 50 flat. Damage 70-190 + 0.6 AP.

Thoughts: 90% of the time you’ll combo this with E. That’s cool. There are cool uses of this as a standalone, and it helps your jungle clear.

 

Blood_ScentBlood Scent / Hamstring [ E ]

  • Passively this is still Blood Scent, with some tweaks (more range early on, shows an Orianna ball indicator under your feet toward the nearest revealed target, only gives MS when you move toward a revealed champ, also reveals big monsters at <50% hp (for the counter janglings), MS doesn’t all kick in at once but becomes stronger as revealed target gets lower.)
  • Active: Hamstring. This is the “boomerang move”. You’re standing at point A, click B, Warwick dashes A->B->A with no pause in between. He hurts all targets touched en route and puts a strong micro-slow on them (falls off almost immediately). You CAN use W and smite during this ability, but not Q (optimal use case became too micro intensive). The micro-slow BARELY allows you to catch a fleeing enemy, but if you E and they dodge, you’ll lose distance. Mana cost 50 flat, CD 16 flat, damage 140-220 + 0.6 AP total. Does not proc passive, but keeps stacks alive. Slow 95% for 0.25s.

Thoughts: I hope this will be the cool skill that people really enjoy using. It sounds so dry on paper, but man it’s fun in game. The E->W combo when pulled off right drives the enemy right into your arms. Dispersing an enemy team with a well timed E->W only to then get a clear shot onto their ADC for your R feels glorious. Use it to jump in front of a Jinx rocket, out of a Lucian ult for just long enough to live, out of tower range to swap aggro during a dive, or simply go over dragon wall, smite-steal dragon, and come back to safety for free.

 

Infinite_DuressFinite Duress [ R ]

  • Think Sejuani Q, but stun first enemy target hit for 2.5s while attacking them 6 times. Spell has its own base damage and AP ratio (180/240/300 + 0.9 AP), but also procs your passive 6 times, so it also does 18% of target max hp as magical damage.

Thoughts: I really dislike that this can now be used as an escape, but I’ll just tune CDs such that it really hurts when you do that (think Malphite ult). Otherwise this is a straightforward improvement on live WW ult. The enemy gets counterplay (stand in the way), it is much clearer what happens, and when WW does hit, he hits hard. Even a tank will get seriously hurt. Plus 2.5s stun! (Oh yes, suppression is BS. That’s a topic for a different thread tho ;P) I’ll potentially do a thing where the CD is halved when you actually hit this to really reward in-combat usage. WW also gets a 20% damage reduction shield while he is in this ult. Plus did I mention that if you Q right after this, you get to start a fight at 8 stacks of your passive? Yeah. That’s pretty sweet.

 

 

Hype and Reality

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Remember, this is FAR OUT IN THE FUTURE. Me talking about it so early is a huge experiment with setting expectations, but I’d rather hear comments now while I can still make changes :)

 

 

 

Why do his spells scale with AP when he’s, thematically, an AD Champion?

 

ZenonTheStoic Button Rioter ZenonTheStoic: VERY good question about the disconnect between fantasy (claw and tooth = AD) and mechanical implementation (AP). Let me first explain why I made the choice on the mechanical side and then give you a hint how we hope to reconcile it with the fantasy.

 

So early on in ideation around Warwick’s new kit, we noticed that drain tanks usually tend to be very binary in our game. The way rickless abandon put it, it’s a very stat-checky affair. “Do I have more numbers than you? Cool I win. No? Okay, I can’t do anything.” We identified the problem being with the dual scaling nature of most drainers in our game.

Take Bronze League Master Yi. He builds Blade of the Ruined King (never uses the active, of course) and four Blood Thirsters. Awesome. If he runs into a non-fed enemy in the jungle, he presses R and right-clicks them to death. If they fight back, they either have enough damage to out-damage his heal before they die or they don’t.

Or take the Wizard Wolf, live Warwick with a strong AP item or two (Athene’s, perhaps). His Q does more damage and heals for more; so there simply comes a point at which he either kills you before you kill him, or he doesn’t get to that point and blows up.

We decided to split up the defensive and offensive item paths on new Warwick. In order to do more damage, WW needs to build AP (or AS I guess? Nashor’s/Wit’s End might be a strong damage build). In order to heal more, WW needs to build more max health (which in turn synergizes well with armor and MR). This means that if WW goes straight tank, he won’t be able to solo kill someone (or it’ll take forever, like a murder by spoon). The enemy can just run away to safety or call in allies while WW sticks to them. If WW wants damage, he opens the counterplay route of “just f-king kill him” to the enemy: without an AS steroid (and artificially low base and per level AS) life steal builds won’t be great, and the base on the passive heal is so low that just straight up building AS won’t do much for you (particularly as a lot of the power of the passive is actually tugged away in the Q and the R, where AS won’t do anything for you).

So this meant he needed a tanky itemization path, which in turn means his skills need AP scaling. Our tank + AP itemization is actually decent (Iceborn Gauntlet, Abyssal Scepter, Rylaj’s Crystal Scepter, etc), whereas our tank + AD itemization isn’t (Atma’s Impaler, Maw of Malmortius, ???) (bonus points for someone who can read up a few paragraphs and figure out why we don’t have great AD+tank itemization by design). AP scaling means magic damage. Magic damage also means he’ll do more meaningful damage to enemy tanks, which is great (because he often has no choice but to fight them). Finally, giving any of his abilities AD scaling at all would slowly but surely track us back toward the binary aggressive drainers we want to avoid.

So, the fantasy then. The first thing I did when I realized this thing about itemization was to round up with a creative designer (RiotEntropy) and a concept artist (some dude you never heard of called IronStylus) and pick their brains on how we can reconcile our mechanical needs with the fantasy. Both of them were surprisingly positive on how easy this would be.

From Entropy I learned that the potion Warwick took to turn himself into the monster he has become is very much a magical/alchemical thing. His power is derived not from being a natural monster, but from being a thaumaturgically enhanced human. It is absolutely imaginable that this power expresses itself visually on top of the existing visuals.

IronStylus was pretty much on the same page. Bulging, glowing veins (wherein the potion courses still), glowing slash-trails in the air left behind by his claws, etc.

This disconnect was one of my bigger concerns going into this iteration, but creative and concept art have pretty much put my fears to rest.

 

 

Does Warwick’s ult still proc his passive 6 times?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Yup, it does.

 

 

 

 

Can Warwick use E to move forward and then ult?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Ult is disabled during E.

 

 

 

 

What can you use while ulting?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Only your W and smite right now. Potentially ignite as well?

 

 

 

 

Are you stuck while in ult?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: You’re currently stuck, but that’s a big thing I want to revisit. Potentially a re-activate after 0.5s to break the effect early? Always scared players will end up screwing themselves, but there might be cool plays that require you to cancel out early (?)

 

 

 

Why does Q have such a low mana cost?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: The problem here is that his Q MUST be spammable in a long team fight for him to function as a drain tank. If you get three Qs before you oom you cannot be a drain tank. That’s why we ended up lowering the Q cost so much (also current Q cost is crazy high because WW was one of the original 40, from before the time when we understood that letting people pressing buttons a lot is a good idea).

 

 

Will the passive on Blood Scent be removed?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: No way. Blood Scent is why you play Warwick.

 

 

 

 

Will this rework make it easier for players to itemize against Warwick?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Yeah, I really want to give both WW and his enemy a much clearer idea how to itemize (as: tanky stats to be drain tank, on-hit/ap/as to be aggressive. Against: always MR).

As for the E, you’d aim such that your peak would be between them and their turret. That way your W pushes them into the arms of your ally mid-laner. The W has a follow-up slow as well, so not only do they run AWAY from safety, they’re also slowed after the terrify. This gives you plenty of time to run in and start wolving them.

 

 

Does Tenacity reduce the duration of Warwick’s ultimate?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: This is a good point! I thought mostly about cleanse (which isn’t really a thing anymore I guess), but yeah, the tenacity’s a tough one. I can technically set a flag in the stun to make it ignore tenacity, but should I? I’ll ponder on that question (read: corner CertainlyT at 3am and have a much too long conversation with him. Poor CertainlyT.)

 

 

How different is Warwick’s Q in the rework?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Q is still very much point and click. Slightly smaller range, but edge to edge (rather than center to center) so it’s easier to Q big dudes (6 stack Cho for instance)

 

 

 

 

Does Warwick need a gap-closer?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Well that’s what the design is attempting to circumvent. The E is very much NOT a gap closer because you will always return to where you started (unless you get stunned or rooted mid-move).

 

 

 

Will these multipliers and % ratios change?

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Yeah, there is a mess of multipliers on the kit right now. I’m looking for a way to simplify, but what they do is give you meaningful sustain that’s build from small increments. This really drives home the fantasy of “slowly turning into a wolf as the blood lust comes over you”.”



If you have any questions for me, feel free to ask me at @NoL_Chefo.

 

 

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PBE Update

Warwick Rework

 

 

PBE Update

 

 

 GragasSquare

     Gragas

 

Barrel_RollBarrel Roll [ Q ]

  • AP ratio decreased from 0.9 to 0.8

 

Explosive_CaskExplosive Cask [ R ]

  • Damage decreased from 200/325/450 (+1.0 AP) to 150/300/450 (+0.9 AP)

 

 

KassadinSquare

  Kassadin 

 

Force_PulseForce Pulse [ E ]

  • Damage increased from 110/140/170/200 to 115/150/185/220

 

RiftwalkRift Walk [ R ]

  • Cooldown lowered from 7/5.5/4 to 7/5/3 seconds

 

 

RivenSquare

    Riven

 

  • Health-per-second decreased from 1.1 to 0.2

 

ValorValor [ E ]

  • Shield value increased from 70/100/130/160/190 to 80/110/140/170/200

 

 

 XerathSquare

     Xerath 

 

Cosmic_StrikeLocus of Destruction [ W ]

  • Slow duration in the center increased from 40/45/50/55/60 to 60/65/70/75/80

 

AscensionAscension [ R ]

  • Base damage decreased from 140/190/240 to 130/170/210
  • Duration increased from 6 seconds to 10
  • Damage amplification for hitting single champions decreased from 75% to 50%

 

 

Items

 

 

Spirit_Stone_itemSpirit Stone

  • Bonus damage to minions decreased from 20% to 15%

 

Spirit_of_the_Ancient_Golem_itemSpirit of the Ancient Golem

  • Health increased from 350 to 400

 

Spirit_of_the_Elder_Lizard_itemSpirit of the Elder Lizard

  • Attack damage increased from 30 to 35

 


Spirit_of_the_Spectral_Wraith_itemSpirit of the Spectral Wraith

  • Bonus damage to minions decreased from 30% to 20%

 

 

Warwick Rework

 

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ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Hey guys!

I’m currently hard at work bringing you the updated Xerath. Once that’s out the door, I’ll focus my energies on the Warwick rework. We have tested some early experimental kits and gotten some very good early data points, particularly as to what feels “Warwicky” and what doesn’t; what must we keep and what can we drop.

At the heart of the discussion of what Warwick should be lies a conversation about the role we refer to as “bruiser”. Ryan “Morello” Scott, our Lead Content Designer, gave a great write-up on the problems of the role here:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com…09164#44409164

The TL;DR is: Bruisers were a reaction to ADCs being too strong, and as a result they got all of the tools for all of the situations. This is deeply unhealthy for the game, and as our playerbase accrues more and more mastery with a particular bruiser kit, we have to continue nerfing that kit as its unbalanced strengths are brought to light (see: Irelia)

Personally I believe there are two main roles champions with no meaningful interaction at range (aka melees) can bring to the team: disruption and killing power. This means tanks/assassins (and the ill-defined melee ADC). I don’t think there is room in between the two extremes for particularly healthy kits.

Warwick can go either way, but if we want life steal to be a meaningful mechanic on his new kit, I firmly believe he belongs in the former camp: tanks. Life steal on a fragile high damage kit is inherently broken. Go make a new account and play a triple Blood Thirster Master Yi (don’t actually do this please; this is what we Germans refer to as a Gedankenexperiment, a thought experiment). You are either killed before your LS becomes meaningful–which is totally useless for your team–or you heal up faster than the enemy can burst you down, in which case you are now an unkillable god of slaughter. Great fun for you, reason to never ever play the game again for the enemy.

A healthy wolf will dip in and out of the enemy team, smartly using the tools at his disposal to create maximum havoc while always healing up just enough health to not die. The enemy either zones him out of his heal (indicating that his life steal needs to be gated; probably range gated, potentially build-up gated) or makes one coordinated effort to burst him down when he goes for a risky play. Either way, he doesn’t single-handedly kill anyone, or if he does, it takes him 30 seconds. And he uses paws.

This is my guiding direction on the kit, and while we currently have a passive and four abilities, these are all very likely to change in the future, so there’s not much of a point talking about them right now. Instead I would invite discussion about my direction: is this a Warwick you can see yourself playing? Specifically, here are two videos that guide me in remaking my most favourite jungler in League:

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=avRTOEjQtDg&t=19m15s

http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=LBpzXIIM6Fk

Note how in both videos Warwick gives zero ****s and the colour caster is reduced to giggling. That’s what I want to do. I want to make colour casters giggle. Especially if they’re me.

 

 

ZenonTheStoicButton Rioter ZenonTheStoic: Also of note: this remake has NO release date. It could be three months, it could be six months, it could be a year. We’ll release when we feel it’s ready to be released.

 

 

 

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