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Thoughts on the juggernaut reworks Where were up to after 4 weeks

Meddler Final PortraitHey folks,

Wanted to provide an update on our thinking about the recently reworked juggernauts. Initial post from a week post launch here:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/gameplay-balance/GzunkiGw-initial-juggernaut-thoughts

Overall the juggernauts have definitely been too strong (our bad). Making comparatively immobile melee effective is something we’ve had trouble with in the past, which in retrospect’s lead to us putting too much power into this group. We have been seeing some distinctive play generated by each of the reworks though, which hits on one of our primary goals for this work of making different characters have distinctly different effects on the game. Fairly optimistic we’ll see that continue once we’ve got balance into the correct spot, though won’t count those chickens before they hatch of course. What we’re thinking for patch 5.18 below, with a few longer term thoughts mixed in.


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Garen did turn out to be too strong as initially suspected. The mobility nerfs in 5.17 have helped with that, we still feel he’s a bit strong at present though. Next major change we’ll be doing in 5.18 is making it so that people no longer generate Villainy stacks by killing Garen himself. Biggest impact there is that you won’t get punished for killing Garen in lane, which in some match ups makes it really hard to get a real advantage in lane against him (or even turns what should be a winning action into a losing action).


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Went from significantly weak to too strong with the hotfix and buff in 5.17. We’re nerfing him in 5.18 as a result, giving Q a scaling mana cost and reducing the amount he heals per target hit by Q (with an increase to the max possible healing). Goal there is to nerf his healing overall, in lane in particular, while allowing some big moments still if he can catch 3 enemy champions with the blade. Longer term we’ve also been talking about whether straight % missing health is the correct model or not for Darius’ heal, given how much a tanky Darius can heal for. It’s possible we’ll shift towards a flat + missing% model instead at some point, still discussing/waiting to see how the 5.18 nerfs impact him.


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We were pretty happy with how the hotfix hit Skarner, since it dropped his power substantially without going too far and leaving him too weak. He’s still too strong, so we’ll be following up on him as well in 5.18, with a nerf to his E slow, reducing the power of his ganks in particular.


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Now that the dust’s settled somewhat it’s pretty clear Morde’s significantly overpowered as a farming duo laner, and very weak as a solo laner. We’ll be nerfing Morde’s base Armor, W healing and W damage (no longer deals double damage when overlapping, base damage increased somewhat). For solo Morde W’s going to be self castable for the healing effect (though not the damage). Expectation is that we’ll need to do more to Morde in follow up patches as well, though as usual we’ll see what effect those changes have first.

Bonus items section: So far Deadman’s Plate, Titanic Hydra and Sterak’s Gage are looking pretty reasonable. They’re doing the right sort of things on the right sort of champions. No current changes planned for them as a result, though we’re still keeping a clear eye on them of course as builds continue to get tested and refined.

Finally it’s also worth noting that since 5.18 is the patch World’s will be played on we’ve been putting a lot of focus into how the juggernauts are performing in professional play (since balance tends to be somewhat different between normal games and organized 5s, high skill level 5s especially). The recent LPL games have been played on 5.16 with the hotfix, which has been a useful data point for us in assessing juggernaut power. We’ve seen Darius and Skarner picked there (Skarner much more than Darius), both looking strong, though not overwhelming so. No sign of Garen isn’t surprising (the nature of his kit’s a better match for solo queue). No Morde picks or bans is a harder one to interpret. It’s possible his weaknesses are such that an organized team can just shut him down, or that he’s new enough teams haven’t had enough time to drill into his changes yet, so aren’t interested in picking him for now even if he’s theoretically strong (I’m personally in this camp, though definitely not 100% certain about it).

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When can we expect Miss Fortunes balance changes to hit live After Worlds


CertainlyT New PortraitThe present plan is for MF’s changes to come out with the pre-season (so after Worlds), as they require particle updates to her base and skins.

Not to get everyone too excited, but we are also having to do a lot of performance testing to ensure that the number of bullets her ult fires at level 16 doesn’t destroy min spec computers.

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Can we get a visual indicator for Miss Fortunes Impure Shots W stacks

Repertoir New PortraitMF is getting some tweaks in the pretty near future, and I believe that part of this package is better visualization for Impure Shots.

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Do youve any plans for Poachers Knife Is there any use for the item

Meddler Final PortraitIt has, outside of the occasional really niche use. Odds are high we’ll remove it come preseason when we do an item pass (updating, adding, removing various items).

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Meddler Final PortraitWe wanted to try an item that really clearly telegraphed your intent to counter jungle a lot, with power loaded into the action of counter jungling specifically (as opposed to an item that’s good for counterjungling, but also has other uses, like boots). Conclusion at this point is that that’s too narrow a space for an item, given its tendency to lead to one jungler or the other failing really hard early. We want early actions to matter, but not to effectively decide games, and Poacher’s risks games snowballing too hard too fast for one team or the other.

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Can you say whats in store for next season as far as drastic changes go

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re focusing much less on the jungle specifically this time than past preseasons. There’ll be some tweaks to it, but nothing as large as the overhaul last year.

Details on what we are focusing on to follow closer to the time once they’re more certain (lot of early experimentation in progress at present).

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Are there other items thatll see drastic changes like this next season

Meddler Final PortraitNone as clear cut as Poacher’s. We’re experimenting with a lot of stuff at present, it’ll be a while though before most of that’s solid enough to talk about usefully though.

One thing I will mention, since I’ve seen it requested a lot, is that we’re looking at a reworked version of Executioner’s Calling (AD Grevious Wounds item). Way too early to make any promises it’ll necessarily be coming back, it is one of the things we’re looking into though.

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What are you thoughts on Grevious Wounds in general

Meddler Final PortraitCurrent thinking is that Grevious Wounds serves a useful function keeping healing/regen in check, but that we may not have been offering it in the right ways. For starters the % may not be right, – 50% is such a larger difference that characters with strong healing end up being really feast or famine depending on whether they’re facing GW or not. Shifting to a lower %, and reducing healing/regen amounts somewhat, might be more appropriate.

As far as GW on individual champions goes we’ve stripped it off a number of champions because of the amount if felt like some match ups were decided in champion select. We’re still talking though about whether there are some good spots for GW on champion kits (e.g. is the problem regular application of GW in lane, rather than GW on kits in general).

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Can we have some QoL buffs for Azir that would make him easier in Solo Queue

Meddler Final PortraitYeah, Azir’s learning curve’s extremely steep (hardest in the game last I checked). Having a long learning curve for a champion has a lot of value, it means there’s almost always something you can learn and improve at. In Azir’s case though his curve’s both very long and, during your initial games, really steep. That means there’s a really punishing period to get through before you can start playing him reasonably well, given we need to balance for players who know what they’re doing on him. Ways to make him a bit more accessible, without removing depth, would be really valuable as a result. We’ve been considering doing that at some point later this year already, thoughts extremely welcomed on things to look at.

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The health on Shacos boxes should scale with level spell ranks


Meddler Final PortraitWe’ll fix clones not getting the Villain marker in the next patch, it’s not intended that that gives Garen’s team a constant way to tell clones and champions apart.

The Devourer wolf does stealth when Shaco stealths. If there are certain circumstances that’s not happening in let us know and we’ll get them fixed.

Finally as far as Shaco boxes go I’d be really hesitant to mess with their health model without doing significant other work to Shaco, given that’s going to impact his jungle clearing in particular. Definitely a thought worth noting in case we do a Shaco rework at some point though (nothing currently planned, there is some stuff it would be good to improve however).

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Kalistas auto attack range should be nerfed from 550 to 525 or even 500

CertainlyT New PortraitKalista was 525 for a decent period during her development. Feedback was very negative to this at the time, though feedback tends to be negative toward mechanics that reduce the player’s margin for error during this phase, as most players are unfamiliar with the champion. Perhaps at some point we will revisit the issue. Certainly a few things about the champion would need to change to compensate for the range loss.

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Is Talon slated for a rework anytime soon

Meddler Final PortraitWe do think Talon could do with a bit of work at some point, aimed at making him more distinct from other assassins and improving counterplay available for some enemies. Overall though there are quite a lot of other characters that need the work more, so he’s not a rework priority.

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Whats the status of Yoricks rework

Meddler Final PortraitThe Yorick rework Xelnath was experimenting with did get ice boxed. We do plan to do a full rework (Sion/Poppy level) for Yorick still at some point, at the very least that won’t be happening this year though. Yorick’s got some major issues, Poppy, and likely Taric, are ahead of him in the full relaunch queue at a minimum though.

In terms of class we do think juggernaut would be a good fit. Given his minion summoning theme the direction we’re most likely to go is a juggernaut with strong pushing power (split push, counter push, tower sieger or some combination of the above).

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Is Leona crying in her PROJECT splash art

BIOLUMINESCENCE Final PortraitI don’t know for certain if she’s crying or not, but I wouldn’t be surprised if that were the case. PROJECT isn’t (despite Leona’s presence) all sunshine and smiles. It’d be nice to hear more about that world.

I think they’re still on for releasing them on 9/8, right? Not too long now.

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Why doesnt LoL have more in-game quests to promote its backstory

BIOLUMINESCENCE Final PortraitYou rang?

I think there’s been a few things that sort of touch on this, referred to as hidden passives:

http://leagueoflegends.wikia.com/wiki/Easter_eggs/Hidden_Passive

In that list you’ll find little treats for Vi/Caitlyn vs. Jinx, Leona vs. sunglasses, pirates vs. ninjas, etc. These are super subtle things that might add 1g or -1hp or something of that scale – nothing particularly game-breaking for the most part. I don’t know what the development cost is for making (and more importantly – maintaining) these things are, so I can’t speak to if they are easy to add, or more trouble than they’ve been worth. I see that they removed the item for Rengar (in the Kha’Zix/Rengar quest) and turned it into a passive stacking buff instead.

I agree with TurquoiseYoshi and ChromaticEagle that 200g is a hefty chunk of change that could change the course of a game, if it came at the right moment. The number of times I’ve been short even 50g to get my next item I can hardly count!

I think the kind of effort that’s going into these things is usually channeled into the taunt quotes (which have been pretty extensive, recently, I thought).

What I wouldn’t want to see is more reasons for players to fight for results that don’t align with the rest of their team. You sometimes see this in events – if you’ve got half your team wanting to kill more turrets, and another team wants to win fast, then you get players who are misaligned in their goals, and that can lead to intra-team conflict. Maybe you argue that 200g isn’t enough to create that sort of conflict – but I’ve seen how even in normal games, an upset player can begrudge a jungler some CS, or a player in a vs. bots game might be disappointed that they didn’t practice a baron kill before ending the game. I could only imagine the anger some players would display if they were playing Lucian and the jungler killed the enemy Thresh. Or how annoyed the rest of the team might get if Lucian, determined to get that gold, took a risk that they maybe shouldn’t have done. 🙁

I could see something like these things turn up as hidden passives in the future (if it’s not a maintenance nightmare – I don’t know) or as something that could turn up in a future event, or more likely be something we see a lot of in taunts between champs.

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I enjoy gamemodes thatre tied to lore like Black Market Brawlers

BIOLUMINESCENCE Final PortraitI like them too – especially as they’re opt in, and everyone has an understanding of the expectation for the mode.

There have been times (like when different people were on different stages of the recent Bilgewater event) when it could get a little confusing, but again – as long as it’s opt in, I think the positives outweigh the negatives. (Though if I can suggest ways to improve them even more, I’m not going to hold back 😉

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Is IronStylus still at Riot

IronStylus Final PortraitI’m quite here 🙂

Lots been going on recently. Lot’s of pretty crazy life stuff, honestly. Perhaps when it’s all over I’ll tell the tale.

Aside from that though, I’ve been working quite hard on Taric recently. Been a long ride, but we’re getting close to a concept which I think will work. Here’s hoping!

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  • Base damage increased from 40/65/90/115/140 to 40/70/100/130/160 [live value is 20/40/60/80/100, previous PBE buff HERE]
  • Hitting an enemy champion now heals Darius for 15% of his missing Health, increased from 10% [note, cap is still 30%]

 

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  • Additionally, if Crippling Strike kills its target, the mana cost and 50% of the spell’s cooldown is refunded

 

 

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  • Base Movement Speed decreased from 345 to 340

 

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  • Movement Speed buff strength decreased from 35% to 30%

 


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  • Now deals 28/33/40% of the target’s maximum Health as magic damage, changed from 1 damage per every 3.5/3/2.5 points of Health missing

 

 

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  • AP ratio increased from 0.3 to 0.35

 

 

 

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  • AP ratio increased from 0.4 to 0.5 [live value is 0.6; this is a buff compared to a recent PBE change]

 

 

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  • Base Movement speed decreased from 345 to 335
  • Base AD decreased from 61 to 57

 

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  • Now shields Skarner for 10/11/12/13/14% of his maximum Health, decreased from 12/13/14/15/16%

 

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  • Base damage decreased from 40/75/110/145/180 to 40/65/90/115/140
  • Skarner now deals 25/35/45/55/65 bonus physical damage to targets hit by Fracture, decreased from 25/50/75/100/125
  • Cooldown increased from 13/12.5/12/11.5/11 seconds to 14/13.5/13/12.5/12

 

 

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Arcade Riven and Battle Boss Blitzcrank’s splash art now has a VS menu added at the bottom:

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  • Spell reverted back to live status [from DoT to instant % current HP nuke]
  • Current Health damage decreased from 8% to 4%

 

 

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  • Damage-per-level increased from 2.5 to 3.3
  • Health-per-level increased from 80 to 92

 

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  • Mana cost decreased from 25/30/35/40/45 to 20/25/30/35/40
  • Cooldown decreased from 18/16/14/12/10 seconds to 16/14/12/10/8

 

 

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  • Damage per tick decreased from 20/25/30/35/40 [+46/47/48/49/50% of Total AD] to 14/18/22/26/30 [+34/35/36/37/38% of Total AD]
  • Judgment now deals 33% increased damage if it’s hitting a single enemy
  • Canceling Judgment prematurely no longer refunds cooldown equal to the remaining duration

 

 

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  • Base damage increased from 3/6/9/12/15 to 4/8/12/16/20

 

 

 

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  • Auto-attack animation is now much faster

 

 

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  • Mana cost decreased from 75/100/125 to 70/85/100

 

 

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Why are you buffing Zed again

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Repertoir New PortraitI didn’t do these change, but if Juggernauts release on the strong side, Zed’s going to need the buffs. Those guys just wreck him.

Honestly, I don’t know if there’s anything sadder for Zed than being the Villain.

Edit: this was a bad joke on my part. Zed getting buffs has nothing to do with Juggernauts. He should be weak against Juggernauts. He should be strong against squishies. And I should re-read posts before pressing Save so that I don’t give people the wrong impression as to why he (or any other character) might be getting changes.

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If you buff Zed hell be even stronger against immobile mages

Repertoir New PortraitAren’t the proposed buffs to Zed to reduce the blink-back time on R with rank? This seems like a pretty sound approach to me, tbh. .75 and .5 seconds are long enough in the early and mid-game for a single defender to hit some cc on him when he comes in, and though .25 seconds is pretty short, there should be teammates around to help then.

At the end of the day, Zed is probably supposed to be pretty strong against immobile skillshot mages, similar to how juggernauts are supposed to be strong against him.

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Repertoir New PortraitThe juggernaut reworks aren’t at all being released to help counter Zed. My apologies if that’s the impression I gave.

As an assassin, Zed should be strong against squishy targets. They should have a fair chance to defend themselves (especially early in the game), but the upper hand should probably be his.

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Light buffs to mobile assassins in 5 16

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re putting a bit of power back into Zed and Le Blanc in 5.16, in both cases partial reversions of the previous nerfs, they got hit harder than intended.

5.16 also includes an overall nerf to Ahri’s passive (same healing at level 1 and level 16, less healing at the levels in between though).

Fizz we’re still talking about. He’s a possible candidate for work in 5.17, depends in part on how 5.16 goes though and how the state of the game does or doesn’t change.

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Riot there are 126 Champions and 6 bans We need 5 bans per side

Repertoir New PortraitThough I personally don’t know why the ban count is three instead of 4 or 5 or even 2, what has actually changed recently that would make it so that you now need 2 additional bans per team? I could see the size of the roster growing being a reason, but it’s really not THAT much larger than it was at the beginning of the year.


I actually think that having another ban or two could be cool, but mostly for reasons that are due to my own personal preference, and not necessarily because I think it makes the ranked play system any better. Even in the example you provided above, assuming those champions are ban worthy, the two captains could still only ban 10 of those 13 champions, and there would still be 3 left over. And of course, there would be all the champions that every other player in the game thinks are ban worthy that did not get banned, so it’s hard to tell in that case if we’d really be any better off. One thing that would be especially painful about having 4 more total bans during the ban phase is how much longer each Draft Queue game would take. It may not sound like a big deal, but champion select already seems to drag on an eternity sometimes. I guess at the end of the day, I’m not really sure if we’d better or worse off with more bans.

Maybe a different ban system entirely would be cool, like one where everyone in the game gets to ban 1 champion in the first thirty seconds or something. That would be faster, though it would come at the cost of ban overlap or team miscommunication getting a team off to an unfriendly start. Maybe ranked 5s and competitive play should be using a different system than solo queue; not sure entirely.

We were talking internally about some adjustments to the draft phase of champ select about a year ago, but I’m not sure any particular idea stuck out as the right solution. It’s probably something worth exploring some more, since it is a part of every draft queue game we play.

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This is not a new problem its just more relevant with the growing Champ pool

Repertoir New PortraitYeah, I didn’t mean to suggest necessarily that this is a new problem this year. With that comment, I more meant to suggest to ask OP why the need was so dire now as opposed to before.

I definitely agree that it would be great if the draft system was better suited for building out team comps better as a team and banning out stuff that threatened it rather than just banning the fotms.

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Skarners passive is lackluster and is a bunch of extra work for sub par rewards

Repertoir New PortraitAbout it being lackluster, that’s certainly not the intention. If the reward just isn’t there, that is something that can be easily addressed. If it’s that they’re tedious, maybe the channel time is too long or some of them are just too far out of the way to be useful.

 

As per your suggestion, one of the things I actually think is really important to them is their static positions. It gives Skarner players, teammates, and opponents an expectation as to how they’re going to play about them in any given game. This is important to me because, even following these changes, we aren’t aiming to have Skarner be extremely popular and in every game. We’re okay with his niche appeal, and we just wanted to give a little more uniqueness to the games he’s in, as well as another point of mastery for Skarner players. Whether good or bad, his ultimate really isn’t that unique anymore, and it can’t really be made much more powerful, so we looked elsewhere.

I think another thing that seems tedious about them is that players feel like they should be trying to control them all whenever possible, and that’s really not the intention. Played optimally, Skarner should try to control the ones he thinks he’ll need in the next minute or two, or maybe stop to cap one over when he’s nearby. There’s no bonus for holding all of them, so I don’t really want Skarner players making the choice to go activate a crystal in the enemy jungle when there’s a lane that needs ganking or something, unless maybe taking that crystal helps them steal a buff or do some counterjungling.

I hope this helps to explain some of the reasoning behind the goals for his passive, even if it’s not exactly what you wanted to hear.

As a follow-up, if you want to continue to help me understand what makes them ‘lackluster and a bunch of extra work for a sub-par reward,’ I’m happy to talk about it. Though some things are probably set in stone for the upcoming patch, that doesn’t mean everything is, and it doesn’t mean that I won’t be doing follow-up work on Skarner if he falls short in unintended areas.

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Will you be pulled to another project like Stashu was with Cassiopeias rework

Repertoir New PortraitI am not my own manager, but I also do think I am capable of making positive change with the right effort and focus. You guys probably remember that Ashe got an update earlier this year? That was just an extra thing that I picked up on the side and then put together with the Champion Update team’s help, and I think it went really well.

For me, I don’t usually find that one project is enough to keep me occupied, so I like having follow-up or other stuff to work on on the side.

If a few months down the road, you think there’s follow-up that I’ve ignored or forgotten, please do hold me accountable to at least letting you know what’s up. Worst case, I’ll hopefully just be able to let you guys know what’s up, even if the decision isn’t what you want to hear. Leaving you hanging wouldn’t be cool, though.

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Arent the crystals on the enemy side just 30 free gold for the enemy jungler

Repertoir New PortraitThe crystals on the enemy side of the map start on their team, and they can’t get any gold from them unless they capture them. Technically, if you never went into the enemy jungle and left those crystals alone the whole game, they would never swap over to your team, and thus never present the chance for opponents to ever capture them for the small gold reward.

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Its tedious having to run back and recapture crystals that an enemy has capped

Repertoir New PortraitI think that feeling of being compelled to reclaim it in all cases will go away after a few plays, and you’ll just focus on the ones that are going to help you in the foreseeable future. Additionally, even in the case that someone takes a crystal from you, you do get information as to there whereabouts if you’re paying attention, so it’s not all a loss.

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Why is Skarner labeled a Juggernaut when his gameplay doesnt reflect that

Repertoir New PortraitWe actually agree that Skarner is probably the odd one out amongst the four releases coming up, but we’re actually okay with that. He’s more about CC than the others, and probably less about damage overall, but we don’t think it’s absolutely necessary that there be a single damage profile that these guys all adhere to.

Skarner will probably function full time as some kind of off tank guy, while being a full on Juggernaut damage threat while under the effects of his passive.

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How would Skarner compete for objective control with Nunu

Repertoir New PortraitGood question. I’m on my phone more so I won’t be too wordy.

First, we don’t actually consider Nunu to be in the same class as Skarner, in that Skarner is intended to be more of a damage presence than Nunu.

If you wanted objective control, but needed damage still, I’d expect skarner to be a better choice. Also, Nunu controls objectives primarily through his secure combo, whereas Skarner through fight presence and power around the objectives.

Less relevant, but still interesting, Skarner’s Impale will prevent Nunu from Smiling or Consuming, so he can actually shut that down if played well.

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DISCUSSION ON GARENS REWORK

 

The community was promised that Garens silence would remain the same

Repertoir New PortraitFrom what I understand, any messaging about Garen’s update said his Silence would still be there, not necessarily that it would go untouched in any way, shape, or form. Can you show me where we said that? Because that seems like a big goof up on our end if that’s the case. So, on that topic, yeah, no one should have promised that 🙁

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If Garens silence is a problem why does ChoGath have 3 forms of CC

Repertoir New PortraitThough historically we haven’t made many efforts to differentiate between tanks like Cho’Gath and tanky guys like Garen, we’re trying to establish that differentiation to some extent. Though we haven’t really investigated Cho’Gath directly yet, he falls much more toward the general idea of what a tank is. Durable, heavy crowd control, and low sustained damage (though his sustained damage may be too high for this to be true).

Garen, on the other hand, is being pushed toward a much higher sustained damage pattern than he’s ever had in the past, to the point that we’re classifying him as a carry. I think we can probably agree that carries shouldn’t have a high level of crowd control, though it doesn’t necessarily follow that a 2.5 second silence is a ‘high level of crowd control.’ Maybe Cho does too much damage for a tank or is unfair in some other way (like his silence duration), but it’s probably not the best idea to reduce Cho’s silence duration because we’re reducing Garen’s, and it’s also probably not the best idea to think we have to leave Garen’s silence alone because there are other characters whose silences are longer.

I will say this about the duration reduction on Garen’s silence. I lowered it to a duration that felt fair given the higher damage the character will now do. Is 1.5 seconds too low? Possibly, but it definitely wasn’t reduced because Riot doesn’t like silence. With his upcoming changes, we’re trying to put him in a spot where he can be seen as a real threat, and less of a guy whose usefulness falls off dramatically as the game goes on. If we’re not hitting that mark after his release, I’ll try to calibrate upward.

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Why did you revert Courage W back to a stacking resist buff

Repertoir New PortraitThis update aims to increase Garen’s affinity for Health items, and flat resistances are a good way to do that. Maybe this just reads as a nerf or something, but in almost all cases, it’s just not. I sure don’t think ‘scaling/stacking benefits are toxic,’ and if that was formerly our stance, we have changed a lot in the past few years, and the game has too. Overall, he should not be squishier, except in the case of full tank builds.


As to ‘complete and utter gutting,’ that seems to imply the character is going to fall to a sub 45% win rate or something. With the changes going in, I’d be truly surprised if it was closer to 45% than 55%. I could be wrong here, but we’re definitely not aiming for a gutting, or even a nerf at all. If he comes out and proves to be weak, I’ll be happy to admit we missed the mark on him, and buff him up a bit, probably in places where we took some stuff away.

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Repertoir New PortraitI really do want to make his W active more interesting in the future, if I get a chance to come back to it and power permits.

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Isnt the point of Juggernauts that theyre rewarded for closing the gap

Repertoir New PortraitThey should indeed be rewarded for getting on top of a target, and in most cases following the update, I’d expect a late game Garen to easily kill a late game Vayne in a 1.5 second silence if he manages to close the gap and get a silence off on her.

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Is the silence nerf aimed at reducing Garens lane presence

Repertoir New PortraitLane silence isn’t actually really an issue at all. It’s still the same at rank 1, after all.

This discussion does seem to keep coming back to some players saying “trust us, his silence duration needs to be what it’s always been” and me saying “trust me, I don’t think it does anymore when he does more damage.”


I understand that that’s an uncomfortable situation for you guys to be in, and I don’t mind talking having the discussion really. Since Garen went on PBE about a week ago, there were some changes that, following discussion with you guys, didn’t seem like the right changes, and I tweaked some and reverted others. That said, there are some changes that I think are important for hitting the goals of his changes, like being more about damage in the late game, and less about his silence.

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You want Garen to be a Juggernaut but it seems hell be played as an assassin

Repertoir New PortraitThough he will now do a lot of damage to a target, Garen lacks the mobility profile and target selection of a real assassin. Assassins get to blink or dash to where they want to be, try to kill a guy, and then get out, and they often have the tools to do all that. Garen has to run at a guy, stick to them for 3 seconds, and then run away. As such, I don’t really see him as an assassin.

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Whats Garens highlight supposed to look like after the rework

Repertoir New PortraitGaren does the baseline stuff of a Juggernaut (tanky, high damage, low mobility profile) with some additional assassin-like tendencies against a single, semi-random target.

When I think about what these Juggernauts are, they should all be really tanky, they should all deal high damage to the enemy team, and they should all be relatively immobile, PLUS one or two additional differentiating aspects (Villainy, in Garen’s case).

Maybe the “increased damage when hitting a single target” doesn’t send a perfect message, but Garen’s damage in teamfights should still be on par or higher than these other guys. I expect his aoe damage to still be really high despite that addition.

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Would you nerf Judgements E damage if it proves too high

Repertoir New PortraitIf it turns out Garen is too strong following his update, I’d prefer to nerf his Q speed or base MS slightly over hurting his damage.

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Why should I pick Garen over other Juggernaut top laners

Repertoir New PortraitThere are a couple potential reasons that I could see to pick Garen (outside just liking him). First, he’ll still be a lane bully for several matchups I imagine, and picking to win your lane can often be a good idea. Second, relative to other tanky top laners, Garen will have possibly the best combined package of sustained speed, durability, and damage. Basically, he’s a good pick when you need a tanky damage dealing presence and you can anticipate fights that will move a lot.

Strategically, he may be the perfect pick when you have a team that can support him (especially with speed buffs, like Lulu or Sivir) and the opposing team has only one or two damage threats (bonus points if at least one of them is a melee threat). This is the ideal pick scenario for him because the opposing team needs their limited damage dealers to get fed in order to win the game, and if they get fed, they become the Villain. Having that extra effectiveness against that Villain when the opposing team is heavily reliant on them can actually be a big deal.

Another fun interpretation of where I think Garen is a good pick, though it isn’t strategicwithin the game is when you know the opposing team relies on a certain player to get fed in order to win. This could potentially translate to competitive play, though I think it’s more applicable and fun to pre-mades with friends. When you’ve got that one Diamond guy in your premade that you know is going to stomp a bunch of Silvers, pick Garen against him and show him who’s boss in the late game.

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What problems does this rework solve for Garen

Repertoir New PortraitBefore making any changes to him, Garen was in the unfortunate situation of:

  1. Having to work super hard to get to people in fights (this used to be the standard in LoL)
  2. Not being all that impactful if he actually managed to get to people


This update doesn’t change the former. In fact, he statistically becomes slightly worse at getting to people. However, it is intended that he’ll have a huge impact if he actually manages to get to people now. Whether or not the exact numbers we have on PBE right now will perfectly accomplish that goal, that is indeed the goal, and I’ll work to get him there if he falls short of it on release. At the end of the day, Garen is never going to be able to compete with champions like Irelia, Hecarim, or Riven (this isn’t to say that any of these three characters are necessarily balanced either) when it comes to getting to specific targets, so he should be meaningfully more impactful than them in some way if he pulls it off. In his case, he’s just going to deal a ton of damage to things he sticks to.

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What role are Juggernauts supposed to fill on a team

Meddler Final PortraitWe see juggernauts as a sub class of fighters/brawlers/bruisers/whatever else you want to call them. That’s a really large group of champions that ranges from the really mobile characters that build damage only, like Tryndamere, to the immobile champs that build tanky like Nasus. We’ve been looking at a series of sub groups with that larger fighter group as a result as follows:


  • Juggernauts – Immobile, tough, build one to two offensive items on average (e.g. Nasus or Garen)
  • Divers – Pretty mobile, and really good at getting onto specific targets they want to kill, builds a little bit more offensively than juggernauts (e.g. Irelia or Xin Zhao)
  • Light fighters (need a better name for this group – Highly mobile, builds almost entirely offense, often good at killing multiple targets, usually squishy with windowed defense of evasieness (e.g. Trynd or Fiora).

Biggest contrast between tanks and juggernauts is in what each group is trying do. Tanks are generally trying to initiate or peel more, kill by themselves less. They build almost mainly (sometimes exclusively) defense/utility and have a greater amount of mobility, generally tied to initiation or peeling actions.

As far as other juggernauts go, Olaf, Shyvana are the next two we’re planning on looking at. Yorick’s arguably a juggernaut, he’ll get a full relaunch though. Volibear could be described as a juggernaut, though he’s also got some diver and tank bits to him. Mundo also shares some juggernaut characteristics, but doesn’t really match overall (which is fine, we’re looking to use these descriptions as ways to map similarities and differences between champions, not because every champion has to be forced into a specific category).

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Meddler Final Portrait‘Juggernaut’ is a term we’re using to talk about a type of champion that’s pretty much always been in the game. We haven’t previously put enough time into identifying their strengths, weaknesses, item needs, role in lane, role in a teamfight however, so we’re doing some of that work now.

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Will you be working on other subclasses like Divers or Light Fighters

Meddler Final PortraitWe chose juggernauts as a group to focus on because we felt they needed the work the most. Next step’s going to be follow up work post 5.16 release (balancing if we’re off on power, adjusting mechanics if some of our theories get proven wrong etc). We’ll then assess how successful this work was or wasn’t and use that to help inform how we tackle other characters.

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Would you classify Shyvana as a Juggernaut

Meddler Final Portrait We think juggernaut’s probably the closest description for Shyvana because damage output, and ability to kill enemy champions herself, is a really core part of her identity. She’s happy soaking some damage certainly, but she’s not there primarily to set up/enable her team. Gragas and Cho we’ve been looking at as tank/mage combinations, Trundle as tank (though he’s definitely got some juggenaut characteristics and doesn’t fit the tank mold that cleanly), J4 as diver or tank (definitely not a juggernaut given the amount of mobility on his kit).

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Why not turn Shen into a Juggernaut

Meddler Final PortraitAs in remove his dash and make him more about auto attacking/damage output? Not seeing the Shen+Juggernaut fit sorry, and that’s before looking at thematics too.

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Is Poppy being pushed more towards a Tank or Juggernaut role

Meddler Final PortraitMore tank (stronger CC focus, so more like Sion than like Garen).

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Why hasnt Riot toned down Vaynes HP true damage

Repertoir New PortraitSeems like something we’d prefer not to touch since it’s such a core part of the character’s identity. If I had to nerf Vayne, it certainly wouldn’t be the first place I’d look to hit. I’d prefer to just nerf her early game or reduce the flat damage component of Silver Bolts, but the percent part of it seems pretty core to the identity of the character.

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How would YOU nerf Vaynes early game

Repertoir New PortraitIf I had to nerf Vayne’s, I’d probably try to first think about why she’s too strong in the first place. How did she go from someone seen as having a bad early game to someone seen as pretty average in the early game?

Though these first few suggestions aren’t directly nerfs to Vayne and have other implications, I’d probably ask why Caitlyn, Lucian, and other historical lane bullies aren’t doing their job to keep her in check. So first, I’d ask why other lane bullies that used to give her trouble aren’t being played anymore, and maybe look into that (though that’s a multi-champion change).

Also, I’d probably try to determine what exactly is the issue with her early game. Is her early game actually too strong? Or does the state of the game just more or less guarantee that she gets her late game? This second part can be especially relevant, because it makes less sense to have champions that are so disproportionately strong in the late game if games are tending to go five minutes longer than they used to (not sure on the exact numbers on game length at the moment, to be honest).

I’ll admit I’m absolutely not an expert on marksman balance, so don’t take my suggestions here as gospel. However, there are lots of ways to nerf a champion’s early game. Off the top of my head:

  • Base AD nerf and increase AD/lvl. Just a couple Base AD makes a huge difference in early game power. I reduced Nidalee’s base AD when she was a terror in top lane late last season, and she basically disappeared from the lane.
  • Scale her spell damages or cooldowns non-linearly, with the later ranks giving more value than the first. This is unconventional, but there’s no reason we really can’t do it. For instance, if Tumble’s cooldown was only reduced by .5 seconds at early ranks, and 1.5 in the last few (or something like that.
  • Probably a bad idea, but maybe Vayne could have 325 or lower MS and have her passive MS increased. I think one of the things about Vayne is that she’s supposed to be a statement pick, like “I know this champion isn’t good early game, but I’m better than you and can win regardless.” Something like this may play that up, though at the expense of snowballiness.

Anyway, just some thoughts off the top of my head.

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Do you think Vaynes kit synergizes with Blade of the Ruined King too well

Repertoir New PortraitImo, BotRK rush is generally probably just too strong, especially on champions it synergizes with.

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Why is Lee Sin being buffed on the PBE

Meddler Final PortraitThese are buffs intended to give power particularly to players who aren’t amazing at Lee Sin. We like that Lee Sin’s got a pretty steep mastery curve that really rewards practice, but it’s a bit too extreme, making it really hard to put him in a good spot balance wise (if he’s balanced in top tier play he’s very weak for the average player, if he’s at least tolerable for the average player he’s probably too dominant in top tier play). They will add a bit of power to competitive Lee Sin play too, we’re looking to avoid too much of a buff there though.

As far as the specific changes go:

  • Ult now deals damage to people hit by the champion knocked back based off the bonus HP of the champ kicked. If you can Insec well, this isn’t going to be a very appealing play generally. If you can’t however, and are regularly using the ult just to get enemy divers out of the fight for your team this will offer a bit of extra power to try and optimize. Will be some niche cases where it helps out in high level play as well, we expect those situations to be pretty niche though.

  • Energy restore from passive now frontloaded onto the first auto attack (20 first auto then 10 second auto, instead of 15/15). This buff will help out both new and experienced Lee Sin players, expectation is it’ll be significantly more useful to newer players though as they learn energy management and when to weave auto attacks in between spell casts. A frequent source of failure we see from new players is constantly trying to weave in 2 autos per cast, even when that’s a really poor idea or, at the other extreme, running out of energy frequently. Giving people room to learn and grow’s great of course, we’d like to get some signalling in there to encourage people to consider 1 auto per cast more often when they’re first learning though.

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Why not balance him instead

Meddler Final Portrait‘Balanced for who?’ is one of the questions behind this work. We choose to balance for high level play, with some reigning in of massive outliers at lower skill levels. If the difference in performance between experienced and inexperienced player gets too far out of line however that means we’re forced to make a champion really hard to succeed with and unsatisfying for the average player if they’re to be balanced at high level play. Making a champions skill floor a bit more accessible, without lowering their skill ceiling, is an approach we feel’s valuable as a result, and this work is, in part, an example of that.

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Meddler Final Portrait5.16’s also got changes to a number of other champs we believe also need some help. Currently in testing stuff includes:

  • Kassadin (ult AP ratio)
    Le Blanc (partial reversion of the W speed reduction)
    Lissandra (self cast ult heals Lissandra)
    Lucian (W MS bonus can now be triggered by allies)
    Nami (buffed passive, ult applies double strength passive)
    Twitch (lower Q mana cost and very slight ult damage increase late game)
    Vel’koz (secondary missiles on Q have more range)
    Zed (shorter delay until ult can be reactivated)

That’s all potential stuff in testing, so not guaranteed to go live of course, but Lee’s definitely not the only champ we’re looking at in that regard.

Yorick’s a champ we believe needs a full kit overhaul, in the same way old Sion did/Poppy does. He’s not in a terrible spot power wise so, given we don’t believe he’s good for the game, we don’t want to add any power to him at this point.

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Will Warwick receive an update soon

Repertoir New PortraitWarwick is one of the champions that pretty regularly shows up on the list of ‘champions to work on’, but I don’t think there are currently any plans for him. That said, there weren’t any plans for Garen, Morde, Darius, and Skarner until May, so who knows…

If you don’t mind me asking, what is it about him that makes him your favorite character?

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Fiora should receive some minor buffs

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re with you that Fiora seems to be pretty underpowered and are working on a set of buffs for her at the moment. One of those will increase her mobility, overall though at least for a first set of changes we’re looking more to add baseline effectiveness to her. From the look of it we ended up being significantly too cautious about her balance overall.

Current changelist (note, work in progress, so not set in stone) looks like this:

HP / level 80 >>> 92
AD / Level 2.5 >>> 3.3
Q CD 18/16/14/12/10 >>> 16/14/12/10/8
W CD 21/19.5/18/16.5/15 >>> 19/18/17/16/15

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PBE 07/08

 

[ Reminder ] The PBE is a testing ground for changes. What you see here may not reflect what you see in Patch Notes. Remember that developers want your feedback so if you disagree with a change, you can always submit your thoughts on the PBE Community Forums.

 

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Check out the four Academy skins, Arcade Riven, Battle Boss Blitzcrank, the updates toDarius,Mordekaiser, Garen and Skarner, as well as the Armor & MR item changes and the two new items –Titanic Hydra and Sterak’s Gage!

 

 

Champion Changes

 

Ahri Final Portrait

 

Nerf BoxEssence Theft Final IconEssence Theft [ Passive ]

  • Flat heal decreased from 2 + 1-per-level to 3/5/9/18 [values for levels 1/6/11/16]. AP ratio unchanged

 

 

Elise Final Portrait

[ Note ] Elise’s Neurotoxin was reworked into a DoT in yesterday’s PBE patch.

 

Revert BoxNeurotoxin Final IconNeurotoxin [ Q ]

  • Cooldown increased from 1 seconds to 6 [reverted to live status]

 

 

 

Garen Final Portrait

[ Note ] These changes are relative to Garen’s PBE update.

 

Decisive Strike [ Q ]Buff BoxDecisive Strike Final Icon

  • Duration of Movement Speed buff changed from 1.5/2.25/3/3.75/4.5 seconds to 2/2.5/3/3.5/4

 


Nerf BoxCourage Final IconCourage [ W ]

  • Bonus Armor and Magic Resistance per kill decreased from 0.3 to 0.25 [still an increase compared to 0.2 from yesterday’s patch]
  • Champion / Large Monsters / Epic Monster kills again grant 0.3 bonus Armor / MR, down from 1 [revert from this PBE update]

 


Change BoxJudgement Final IconJudgement [ E ]

  • Total AD ratio decreased from 0.47/0.49/0.51/0.53/0.55 to 0.46/0.47/0.48/0.49/0.5
  • Judgement’s damage once again scales with Crit Chance

 

 

LeBlanc Final Portrait

 

Buff BoxDistortion Final IconDistortion [ W ]

  • Travel speed increased from 1300 to 1450

 

 

 

Mordekaiser Final Portrait

 

Buff BoxSiphon of Destruction Final IconSiphon of Destruction [ E ]

  • AoE range increased from 650 to 675

 

 

 

Skarner Final Portrait

[ Note ] These changes are relative to the huge update Skarner got in this PBE update.

 

Nerf BoxCrystal Spires Final IconCrystal Spires [ Passive ]

  • Movement Speed buff around shrines decreased from 150 to 100

 

 

Buff BoxFracture Final IconFracture [ E ]

  • If Skarner stuns an enemy with Fracture [ E ] or Impale [ R ], he gains all the bonuses from his Crystal Spires for the duration of the stun / suppression and reduces the cooldown of Fracture by the same amount
  • Cooldown increased from 12/11.5/11/10.5/10 seconds to 13/12.5/12/11.5/11

 

 

Tahm Kench Final Portrait

 

Revert BoxThick Skin Final IconThick Skin [ E ]

  • Duration increased from 5 seconds to 6 [reverted to live status]
  • Shield once again rapidly decays over the duration [reverted to live status]

 

 

Teemo Final Champion Portrait

 

Buff BoxNoxious Trap Final IconNoxious Trap [ R ]

  • Now additionally reveals stealthed enemies hit by a shroom

 

 

Item Changes

 

Titanic Hydra Final IconTitanic Hydra

  • Recipe changed: Now requires a Giant’s Belt [1000 Gold], not Ruby Crystal [400 Gold]. Combine cost decreased by 600 Gold (total cost unchanged)

 

[ Note ] Titanic Hydra is a new item that introduced in this PBE update.

 
Titanic Hydra
 


Steel Legion Garen Villain VFX

Steel Legion Garen’s received unique VFX for his Villain passive on Demacian Justice [ R ]:

 

Steel Legion garen Villain 1 Steel Legion Garen Villain 2

 

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PBE 07/08

 

[ Reminder ] The PBE is a testing ground for changes. What you see here may not reflect what you see in Patch Notes. Remember that developers want your feedback so if you disagree with a change, you can always submit your thoughts on the PBE Community Forums.

 

PBE 04 08 Reference Banner

Check out the four Academy skins, Arcade Riven, Battle Boss Blitzcrank, the updates to Darius,Mordekaiser, Garen and Skarner, as well as the Armor & MR item changes and the two new items –Titanic Hydra and Sterak’s Gage!

 

 

Champion Changes

 

Alistar Final Portrait

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  • Health-per-level increased from 102 to 106

 

 

Amumu Final Portrait

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  • Armor-per-level increased from 3.3 to 3.8

 

 

Bard Final Portrait

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  • Health-per-level increased from 85 to 89

 

 

Blitzcrank Final Portrait

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  • Armor-per-level increased from 3.5 to 4

 

 

Braum Final Portrait

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  • Armor-per-level increased from 4 to 4.5

 

 

Elise Final Portrait

 

Change BoxNeurotoxin Final IconNeurotoxin [ Human Q ]

  • NEW EFFECT: Now deals 20/30/40/50/60 [+0.15 AP] magic damage-per-second for 3 seconds. Duration is doubled against monsters (old damage removed)
  • Cooldown decreased from 6 seconds to 1

 

 

Garen Final Portrait

[ Note ] These changes are relative to Garen’s PBE update.

 

Revert Box Perseverance Final IconPerseverance [ Passive ]

  • Health-per-second regen at level 16 increased from 1.6% of Garen’s max HP to 2% [reverted to live status]

 

Quality of Life Box FinalDecisive Strike Final IconDecisive Strike [ Q ]

  • Additionally, Garen moves up to 50 units toward his target when attacking with Decisive Strike from maximum Auto Attack range

 

Buff BoxCourage Final IconCourage [ W ]

  • Bonus Armor and Magic Resistance per kill increased from 0.2 to 0.3
  • Champion / Large Monsters / Epic Monster kills now grant 1 bonus Armor / MR, up from 0.3
  • Bonus Armor and MR cap increased from 10/15/20/25/30 to 30 at all ranks

 

Buff BoxJudgement Final IconJudgment [ E ]

  • Base damage per tick increased from 12/16/20/24/28 to 20/25/30/35/40
  • Garen no longer slows himself by 20% when moving toward enemy Champions he’s hitting with Judgment
  • Judgment now deals 25% reduced damage when hitting multiple units
  • Judgement no longer deals decreased damage to minions

 

 

Lee Sin Final Portrait

[ Note ] This change is relative to Lee Sin’s update in this PBE patch.

 

Nerf BoxDragons Rage Final IconDragon’s Rage [ R ]

  • Damage to additional targets hit decreased from 15/18/21% of kicked target’s max HP to 12/15/18%

 

 

Leona Final Portrait

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  • Armor-per-level increased from 3.1 to 3.6

 

 

Nami Final Portrait

 

Buff BoxSurging Tides Final Icon Surging Tides [ Passive ]

  • Flat Movement Speed buff increased from 40 to 60

 

 


Buff BoxTidal Wave Final IconTidal Wave [ R ]

  • Allies hit by the wave receive double the movement speed buff from Surging Tides (120 flat)

 

 

 

Nautilus Final Portrait

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  • Armor-per-level increased from 3.25 to 3.75

 

 

Rammus Final Portrait

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  • Armor-per-level increased from 3.8 to 4.3

 

 

Skarner Final Portrait

[ Note ] These changes are relative to the huge update Skarner got in this PBE update.

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  • Base Movement Speed increased from 330 to 345 [reverted to live status]
  • Health-per-level increased from 84.25 to 90

 

Buff BoxCrystal Spires Final IconCrystal Spires [ Passive ]

  • Area of Effect around the spires increased by ~63%
  • Bonus Attack Speed while inside the area increased from 35% [+5% per level] to 42% [+6% per level]
  • Duration of spire lockout increased from 10 seconds to 15
  • Duration of vision granted by spires decreased from 10 seconds to 1.5
  • The maximum gold granted by captured spires has been capped at 30 (split evenly); 5 Gold if captured solo
  • Neutral spires now can’t be captured until 1:30 game time

 

Buff BoxCrystal Slash Final IconCrystal Slash [ Q ]

  • AD ratio on both the uncharged and charged states of Crystal Slash increased from 0.32/0.34/0.36/0.38/0.40 to 0.33/0.36/0.39/0.42/0.45

 

Buff BoxFracture Final IconFracture [ E ]

  • Slow duration increased from 2 seconds to 2.5 [reverted to live status]
  • Mana cost decreased from 50/55/60/65/70 to 55 at all ranks

 

 

Tahm Kench Final Portrait

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  • Armor-per-level increased from 3 to 3.5

 

 

Taric Final Portrait

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  • Armor-per-level increased from 3.2 to 3.7

 

 

Thresh Final Portrait

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  • Health-per-level increased from 89 to 93

 

 

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  • Cast time decreased from 0.3 seconds to 0.25
  • Range of secondary missiles increased from 900 to 1100

 

 

NEW ITEMS

[ Note ] This item is part of Black Market Brawlers and is being introduced to Summoner’s Rift.

 

New Item BoxDead Mans Plate Final IconDead Man’s Plate

  • Recipe: Chain Vest [750 Gold] + Giant’s Belt [1000 Gold] + Ruby Crystal [400 Gold]
  • Total Cost: 2750 Gold
  • Grants 600 Health and 55 Armor
  • UNIQUE Passive – Dreadnought: While moving, build stacks of Momentum, increasing movement speed by up to 60 at 100 stacks. Momentum quickly decays while not moving.
  • UNIQUE Passive – Crushing Blow: Basic attacks discharge all Momentum, dealing 1 physical damage per 2 stacks. If 100 stacks are discharged the passive deals double damage. Melee attacks at 100 stacks will also apply a 75% slow that decays over 1 second.

 

 

ALL PBE UPDATES FOR PATCH 516 CYCLE

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This discussion is in reference to yesterday’s massive patch, which you can check out HERE.

 

Patch 516 Juggernaut Reworks and Item Changes Discussions

Meddler Final PortraitHi all,

Wanted to link a bunch of discussions going on on the PBE boards at the moment regarding the various changes in the 5.16 patch, given threads on the PBE boards tend to have lower visibility than stuff here. Lot more change than the average patch going on, with some stuff that looks pretty weird, overpowered or over-nerfed at least at first read. Lot of details in the threads below that hopefully offer some context on what we’re thinking and what we believe the impact of some of these changes will be.

These threads are on the PBE forums specifically to gather feedback from people that are testing/will test the changes in game. Very interested in feedback from other people as well though of course, and currently reading a lot of it both here and on various 3rd party sites. As usual these are PBE changes and therefore subject to change as we polish kits, balance numbers, fix bugs etc. There are also some changes that are much more, or less, impactful in game than they may appear at a glance on paper (e.g. Morde gaining a bit of extra attack range).

Skarner:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/d2bmpMif-skarner-pbe-changelist-and-feedback-thread

Garen:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/Y7ELMJAK-garen-pbe-changelist-and-feedback-thread

Darius:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/Grx91k8I-darius-pbe-changelist-and-feedback

Morde:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/KhcvQBlG-mordekaiser-change-summary-feedback-thread

New Items:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/rFbd7hyy-new-items-steraks-gage-and-titanic-hydra

Defensive Item Changes:
http://boards.pbe.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/champions-gameplay-feedback/yMtrbjGs-core-defense-items-pass-516

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Do you want our negative feedback on the changes

Meddler Final PortraitYes, I’d definitely like to hear the grievances people have with these changes, discussions like this one are one of the main reasons I spend time on the forums in the first place.

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Why are you changing so many things in a single patch

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re putting a lot of stuff in 5.16 for a few reasons:

  1. These are changes that have been developed together that tie in with each other. The state of Morde, Garen etc is going to be highly impacted by the items available to them. Releasing champ changes and items separately means having to wait longer to get a true read on how they interact with each other.

  2. After 5.16 we want to start focusing on balance and stability as we prepare for the patch Worlds will be played on (most likely 5.18). Putting all the disruption into one patch, and then taking a couple to balance it, gives us more time to catch issues than spreading it out over 3 patches and then not having any reaction time to issues that emerge in the third patch.

  3. We feel we’ve been a bit too conservative in the past in the run up to Worlds. Worlds should involve a stable patch, that teams can focus on, ideally with any massive balance outliers. That’s not to say it should reflect a game state that’s been unchanged for so long it’s starting to feel stale though. It’s about two months until Worlds right now, which we feel’s a good time to introduce some change before, as above, shifting gears to balance/polish.

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Why are you doing these massive changes right before Worlds

Xypherous Final PortraitWe have roughly 2 1/2 months of lead up to worlds and so at least 2 full patches to respond to any massive directional imbalances.

As for how massive this is – while there are a lot of items on the changelist itself – it’s mostly small tuning steps with one or two exceptions. Similar to how AP itemization goes – while there is a lot of holistic polish across the board – the net overall change should be moderate – at least for these core passes.

While I understand that’s not a super satisfying answer – I believe this is the last major update of the year in which a lot of things are happening and thus these item changes are meant to be a polish and tuning step to support a somewhat better ecosystem for those changes to live in.

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A huge patch right before Worlds means pros wont have time to adapt

Pwyff Final PortraitSorry if I don’t respond immediately. I occasionally comment and then go do work. I get that being deliberately inflammatory on the internet is how you get responses, and I hate rewarding that, but let’s actually talk about this because I don’t think we’re 100% correct, but at least we have good reasons.

First, I think it’s worth discussing what constitutes ‘too much change’ for pro play vs. regular play. There’s definitely a subjective concept (survey pros! survey players!), but I wonder what is objectively considered too much for a pro player to adapt on a patch to patch basis. That’s a super philosophical question.

Regardless, it’s worth noting that 5.14 is the patch that all of the playoffs are being played on (per esports’ commitment), and then a later patch (definitely post-5.16) will be the standardized patch that Worlds will be played on. Pros do get a period of time between playoffs and worlds to practice.

So here’s where we get to the concept of what makes a competitive player. Every game out there values specific things, from Counter-Strike’s commitment to reflexes, snap aim, tactical map movement, or Quake’s movement-based, tracking-aim, power-up placement memorization. League’s always valued player adaptability to a high degree – probably higher than most competitive games. We know there are benefits (from a spectating perspective games are more varied, strategies are being changed up, different playstyles can shine and truly talented teams can demonstrate their mastery by staying ahead of the curve) and drawbacks (players feel they have to ‘re-learn’ the game, optimization of singular strategies isn’t possible, players with narrow champion pools are negatively impacted).

In other words, I’d challenge stability as the ultimate indicator of a competitive player. Faker has long been heralded as the pinnacle of League talent, and we appreciate him because of his tireless commitment to mastering core game mechanics and systems, while also innovating with an evolving game. I’d also mention, I don’t think these changes are so massive that they reinvent all that is League of Legends – they offer new strategic paths, but I have no way of objectively verifying just how much more powerful new, emergent strategies are vs. players believing they are.

All that said, I’m not saying this is a fool-proof argument – if we hear a lot of discussion that this is just too much, that teams just can’t accommodate, then this is definitely a lesson for the future. I just want to make sure we both realize we’re coming from two very different perspectives on what makes a good, competitive game of League.

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Can we expect new mechanics on Nunu Mundo Fizz or Aatrox

Meddler Final PortraitAatrox definitely needs some work, agreed, he does some fun stuff, but it’s too general overall.

Mundo, with his massive regen, poke from a traditionally poke weak class and berserker playstyle (benefits for low health) is someone we feel’s pretty close to distinct enough. Would be good to do some smaller stuff on him at some point, we feel other champs need the work a lot more though.

Nunu we feel’s extremely unique. Long duration MS/AS buff he can keep on multiple targets, extremely strong objective control off a base ability, repeated attack speed slows from a support like champion and an ult that controls space in a pretty distinct way with extreme punishment after a long telegraph.

Current assessment is Fizz is in a reasonable spot, given the uniqueness his Shark and Troll Pole offer, both in terms of playstyle and relative to other assassins. Might need to reward him more for AP builds/less for tanky ones, not sure on that front. As with Mundo though some opportunity to differentiate him a bit more with small changes, but a champ we feel’s got a strong need.

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Can you give us more info on the upcoming changes to Shyvana Olaf

Meddler Final PortraitWe haven’t started work on Shyvana or Olaf yet besides some really rough brainstorming, in part because we want to see how these changes, and the associated item changes, go. Assess what works, what doesn’t, where we should have taken things further or pulled back etc.

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Will Shyvana still be able to carry games

Meddler Final PortraitCan’t offer you any details on what changes to her kit might look like, we haven’t started talking about that ourselves yet. Would definitely expect her to retain a strong damage focus.

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New PBE changelist for Darius

Statikk New PortraitHey all,

Got some time to test him out this morning and talk with the playtest team.

We definitely feel his presence in team fights is way higher than he was previous to these changes.

My current concerns lie within the consistency of his laning phase and if he’s just bit too soft there.

Here’s the changelist you guys will see in the next build:

Q

  • Mana cost reduced to 30 from 40

W

  • Slow is now 90% at all ranks from 40/50/60/70/80%

E

  • Slow adjusted to 90% for 1 second from 99% for 0.75

These changes are aimed at making combo’d Q’s pretty much guaranteed. We want to ensure that there is still ample counter-play to the Q when used alone, but we’re pretty happy with Darius making it much easier for himself if he uses up his other resources successfully.

Overall, we don’t feel Darius is far off balance-wise in either direction, so we would like to take small steps at a time. We’re also really interested in how Darius progresses over time as people get used to the new Q.

Thanks guys.

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Responding to community feedback on the Darius update

Statikk New PortraitGonna address a couple of points I’ve seen brought up:

E’s Slow

Currently it’s set to be a 90% slow for 0.75 seconds. It is designed to help ensure that E -> Q is a fairly guaranteed combo.

Lack of an Execution Indicator

We purposely left this out of Darius’s update for design reasons. Darius’s design and balance actually revolves around his R’s success and failures more than any other champion in the game.

Because of this when we added an indicator, the Darius gameplay became too much about just reacting to a UI element changing rather than making interesting, risky, and snappy decisions in the heat of battle that might cascade into a pentakill.

In a lot of cases we would prefer consistency across our champions, but in the Darius case we feel like the lack of the indicator allows us to retain power in certain areas and makes him more enjoyable in the long run.

Removal of Passive Movement Speed

This is essential to the direction we are moving the Juggernauts. They are intended to be and feel slow, but hopefully have a ton of other strengths to bring to the table to compensate.

This change became extremely important to make especially after we changed Hemorrhage to deal physical damage due to the insane synergy Darius now has with Black Cleaver.

Q Delay

Along with Bloodrage, this is the most significant change we made to the kit and we feel it’s 100% necessary for the long-term health of the champion. We’ve struggled in the past to make melee vs. melee combat interesting and skill-based, so this is us trying to address that.

I know it can be pretty painful to get used to, but we’ve tested it pretty thoroughly and feel you guys will be able to get the hang of it. Adding the delay allows us to load more power into the Q (the heal and increased late game damage) without just making him unstoppable in lane and other dueling scenarios.

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How about making the delay on his Q scale down with levels

Statikk New PortraitThat’s an interesting thought. We definitely have struggles keeping gameplay fair as the speed and pace increases later in the game.

Haven’t tried that yet, but it sounds super intriguing. If we find that he is not able to hit Q’s later in the game, this might make sense.

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Statikk New PortraitDefinitely seeing the echo of Q being weaker early and also harder to hit. Very much open to making sure his Q feels right in the lane given the more skill-based gameplay it has now.

Gonna get in a few games on him today and talk with the playtest team to see what we can do.

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Did you intentionally make Darius an even slower fighter

Statikk New PortraitYeah Darius is one of the more pure, raw Juggernauts in the game. He truly has no movement bonuses and has fairly limited reach (though his reach is better than some of the other Juggernauts that do exist).

Hopefully Darius feels powerful for being that clean-up monster that none of the other Juggernauts can bring to the table.

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So you arbitrarily designed that a class of immobile fighters should exist

Statikk New PortraitWell, I wouldn’t say “arbitrarily.”

Juggernauts were always a class of champions that we attempted to design (slow, tanky, high damage). We are simply taking a hard look at what we were trying to initially design, finding out where we went wrong in the past, and getting them to work in the modern day of LoL without just turning them all into the same generic champion.

Skarner and Garen are definitely on the fast side of Juggernaut while Darius is on the other side. We think it’s possible to make sure Darius can be stronger than the other 2 in different areas instead.

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Did you fix Apprehends range to be 550 not 540

Statikk New PortraitWe basically re-coded the entire spell to function in the manner we wanted. The E should now be entirely accurate.

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You can find the complete changelist of Garen compared to live HERE.

 

Dont you think nerfing the silence from 25 secs to 15 is a bit much

Repertoir New PortraitMaybe it is, but I think 1.5 seconds still feels pretty substantial. If, for some reason, it’s too short, it could maybe bump upward a bit.

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Repertoir New PortraitIf there’s any part of the changelist that’s too much, I’ll be happy to reel it in. All data we have so far suggests that he’s at least as powerful as Live with these changes, and likely quite a bit stronger.

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Why was Courage W reverted to farming minions for flat bonus resists

Repertoir New PortraitThe flat Armor/MR model actually makes more sense in a world where Garen wants to build a lot of Health items (which he should have readily available to him in this patch). I think you may be right that it takes too long to farm currently, though. I’ll keep an eye out for that. This shouldn’t be too much of a nerf, since the Health items coming this patch (Sterak’s Gage, Ravenous Hydra, Warmog’s update, etc.) should allow him to build an abundance of Health and get more of what he needs in fewer items. I totally understand not liking the Tenacity nerf, but we do feel it’s important that Tanks and CC-heavy supports feel good about their efforts to peel the big tanky dudes running at their teams.

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The late game buff to Judgement means Garen will need ArPen items

Repertoir New PortraitThis skill also has a 5.5 Total AD ratio in the late game, so I don’t think it’s only amped by Penetration. Black Cleaver should be even better on him now, due to the higher AD ratio, as well as the fact that he’ll stack the passive faster due to the increased tick rate of Judgment.

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Why does Judgement slow Garen when hes moving toward enemies

Repertoir New PortraitThis change is intended to improve play during the back half of Judment. Keep in mind, the cooldown of this spell is lower, so you’ll get to cast it more often, and there’s also a cooldown incentive to turning it off early if the enemy has escaped it, meaning it will become available to cast even sooner. He does a significant amount more damage now, and he was probably too sticky to merit it. Garen was allowed to have that level of stickiness before because his damage just wasn’t relevant in the later stages of the game most often, but it should be now.

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His current and new Ws are stale abilities with little gameplay involved

Repertoir New PortraitHis W is pretty darn boring, but individual abilities can be somewhat bland if there is added complexity to the kit elsewhere. In Garen’s case, we wanted to keep him available as a beginner player option, and we took some complexity out of W active, put we put some back in the R passive, E activation, and W passive farming.

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Will the total duration of Judgement change from 3 seconds

Repertoir New PortraitThe total duration is always 3 seconds, so the game starts with it at 5 ticks per spin, and increases to 6/7/8/9/10 ticks per spin at levels 4/7/10/13/16.

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Repertoir New PortraitLate game Judgment damage (all ticks combined) should be 280 + 5.5 TotalAD from 360 + 3.3 TotalAD

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You can find Morde’s complete changelist HERE.

 

 

Bot lane Morde will probably need to start Doran Shield or Cloth 5 pots

Meddler Final PortraitWe’ve also seen some Morde’s start Targon’s, particularly if they’re paired with a support that’ll really value the extra healing from that (supports that trade aggressively for example). Not sure if that’s optimal yet, worth a look though.

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If a team takes Mordekaiser bot lane they will probably take an ADC mid

Meddler Final PortraitThat’s what we’ve seen in most internal playtests so far. Some non ADC teams, lot of mid or top (or very occasionally jungle) ADCs.

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What supports have been getting picked to lane with Mordekaiser

Meddler Final PortraitSupports with strong CC have been the most consistently successful so far in testing, since they let Morde get onto targets with his Q and set up well for the W damage field. Double Targon’s has also proven at least moderately effective, again not sure if that’s necessarily optimal or not though.

It’s likely this direction will make it quite a bit harder for Morde to solo lane, given the amount of benefit he gets from duo laing. That’s rough on people that enjoy solo Morde, we did feel this was the right approach to take though to get Morde into a spot where he could be made effective without having to massively change him overall. We believe Morde’s strengths and weaknesses can be preserved, or even amplified, in a way that’s a lot more functional/healthy when he’s got an ally to fill in some of his gaps.

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Are you just looking to fit Mordes kit on some lane in a healthy way

CertainlyT New PortraitYour understanding of the changes is accurate. My goal is not to “use Morde to break the meta” but to find a healthy home for Mordekaiser where he can be successful while still being himself (slow, tough, CC-free overwhelmingly powerful damage dealer). My feeling was that for this sort of profile, the champion could not be both successful and healthy on their own. Morde needs someone to help cover his weaknesses and actualize his strengths. Supports stood out as natural complements. They too are incomplete champions, lacking damage but bringing a lot of CC and ally buffs/hastes.

There is no unherent reason why playing Mordekaiser bottom lane will cause teams to lose. Structurally, he has the ability to forcefully push games to a conclusion by using his dragon to smash down the enemy base. In testing, we have had just as many games where he succeeds as fails.

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Will you be trying to make more melee champions viable on the bot lane

CertainlyT New PortraitNot at the champion design level. I think there are a few possibilities that Mordekaiser could demonstrate:

1) Melee bot lanes generally are… are sufficiently enjoyable for all players and sufficientlystrategically interesting to warrant further proactive steps by us to dislodge players from their habits;
2) The existence of one occasional melee bot lane is interesting and enjoyable but does not warrant further steps by us;
3) Melee bot lanes generally are interesting and enjoyable, but Mordekaiser is a poor execution of one;
4) Melee bot lanes are antithetical to “good” LoL design, and so we should not seek to support them.

Personally, I feel that #4 is unlikely. This means the central question is largely about whether a) there should be more melee bot lanes and b) at what level that “pushing” should come from us. Candidly, Mordekaiser is pretty “forced”.

I would love for players to feel that they can identify situations to run a wider number of existing champions successfully as the duo lane carry. In fact, Yasuo was an effort in this direction. Unfortunately, he is either ineffective in that capacity (though statistically bot lane duo is his highest win rate) or players are uncomfortable playing non-traditional styles. If the latter is true than I see my role as a designer not to “push” more champions into the lane but to create social and strategic space for players to innovate.

This, then, is my hope for Mordekaiser: that his presence in the bottom lane spurs players to think more broadly about how they can build team composition that have a greater diversity of champion archetypes without the need for us to customize kits to that lane.

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How will Mordekaiser deal with being kited by the enemy ADC

CertainlyT New PortraitWell, your task is to find a teammate that can prevent him from being kited. If you can do so, you’ll probably win the game. Good luck!

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Isnt the nerf to his base movement speed overkill

CertainlyT New PortraitIt might be. I certainly didn’t start at 325. In fact, I was very hesitant and moved him down 5 MS at a time as opponents reported being completely unable to escape his onslaught. A major factor for this is that Mordekaiser has the base damage and base survivability to invest into a lot of movement speed items as the game progresses (Our playtesters often build him Targons–>Ninja Tabi->Phage->Trinity Force->Raptor Cloak->Rylai’s).

I think you might also be coming at this from the perspective of someone who has played “traditional” melee bot lanes, that must function as aggressive kill lanes in order to find any success. Mordekaiser has the scaling and defenses to whittle his opponents down and wait for a good opportunity (like a Thresh hook).

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Can you cast Mordes new W on yourself without allies present

CertainlyT New PortraitHarvesters of Sorrow (W) is not castable without an ally champion present. If you are alone as Mordekaiser, you’ll have to do without it unless an ally ganks/roams for you.

As others mentioned, Morde is still able to solo lane/jungle in our testing, but doesn’t shine as brightly as he does in a duo lane. I’m comfortable with that mainly because I do not think that Mordekaiser can ever be a marquee example of a healthy solo lane champion given how stark his strengths and weakness profile is — An excessive number of his lane matchups are determined either at champion select or through jungler intervention, not through the relative skill of Mordekaiser and his lane opponent. As I began to work on his mechanics though, the thing that stood out was how defined Mordekaiser was by those stark strengths and weaknesses. To round out his kit would have been to compromise him as a champion.

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Why the AD scaling on his E

CertainlyT New PortraitE in my mind is most healthy as a “parry” ability that provides a lot of instant shield. As a nuke, it lacks good play against most opponents, who can’t help but get into its range. As such, the damage had to come down a bit in the early game. I didn’t want the player to have to invest all their early skill points in a fundamentally passive skill, but rather in their preferred means of inflicting damage on their opponent.

Total AD scaling allows the ability to ramp up gradually across game time so that it is hopefully always meeting the needs of providing a “twitchy” active defense against enemy poke.

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Why are you changing Skarner again

Repertoir New PortraitWe wanted to give something to Skarner to optimize around other than just run at a guy. Adding potent zones of threat was our take on that for him.

Also, I think there’s a misunderstanding about how much potential gold these things give out as well, but I’ll look into that to make sure they’re not giving out too much.

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Wont the crystals force Skarner to afk farm until a fight happens near them

Repertoir New PortraitWe don’t just want him to afk farm the jungle forever, but we are okay with his jungle presence being higher than his lane presence overall in the early game. Also, his E is a substantially stronger ganking tool now with how easily it applies the old passive stun, so he does make up for some of the loss of entry speed there if he hits it.

Also, the MS nerf may simply not be needed. We’ve tested various versions of this Skarner, and it seems to be quite strong still, but it’s totally undertandable that players would be concerned over such a big base MS nerf. If it looks like he needs it, we can certainly give it it back. This changelist likely isn’t final yet.

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Wont the crystals make it so Skarner clears certain camps faster than others

Repertoir New PortraitHe’ll definitely have some camps that he clears faster than others now. With the crystals’ placement, he clears Red, Blue, Krugs, Wolves, and Crab incredibly well now, and isn’t quite as fast on Gromp and Razorbeaks. Also, the stun only takes 1 basic attack to trigger now following a hit E, so the loss of AS shouldn’t affect that.

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It looks like Skarner will be forced to fight in certain places to be useful

Repertoir New PortraitSkarner should still have a pretty reliable tank/lockdown threat (probably even greater than before in this regard, given how is E now works) outside of his passive zones. What the zones really provide to him is incredibly boosted DPS and stickiness.

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These shrines are free 30 gold and vision for the enemy jungler

Repertoir New PortraitThe vision on these things only lasts 10 seconds at the time they are captured, so they don’t really give much vision outside of the initial cap. And the gold they give out is basically symmetrical. In order for the enemy team to capture it and gain 15g, Skarner’s team has to own it (and they will hold it until the enemy team turns it over). Likewise, Skarner and his teammates will get 15g for recapturing it later. I do need to put in a better solution for level 1 gold provided by them right now, though.

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The 15 base MS nerf is unneeded since the stacking MS on his Q is gone

Repertoir New PortraitDefinitely keeping an eye on this. 15 MS nerf may not be the right number. Could be 5, 20, or 0. I’ll continue to monitor.

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Can you clarify why youve removed so much from Skarners Q

Repertoir New PortraitHis Q definitely still grants him bonus damage. Sorry if that wasn’t clear. The damage it deals is (TotalAD ratio) and an additional (TotalAD ratio + AP ratio) when charged. His clear speed is actually faster now.

You are right about him doing less dps in ganks now, but the ease at which he stuns enemies via E is increased pretty substantially, and the duration of the stun early game is a bit longer.

Feedback from playtesters has been that his E offers a higher total utility package than before, but I’ll keep an eye out for it.

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You can find all the item changes coming to Patch 5.16 HERE.

 

Why are Magic Resist items being buffed

Xypherous Final PortraitMR itemization, especially end-game is not particularly stronger overall than it was before. (AKA – total end-game values of MR are relatively static compared to live. While Banshee’s and Visage have +5 MR – Aura MR is down by 5, for example.)

However, the build path for MR is a lot smoother to access – so reacting to an enemy AP should be easier. This nicely lines up with the changes made in AP to make building into a lot of AP items more streamlined.

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Why is Cinderhulk being nerfed

Xypherous Final PortraitWhenever Cinderhulk was problematic – we generally saw it was the case of late game – super unkillable tank of ‘oh god why.’

Thus the changes are designed to pull back on that case in particular – by shifting power from the multiplier to the base.

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Xypherous Final PortraitCinderhulk should be more powerful mid-game to compensate. It won’t actually be a nerf until you surpass 1k bonus health (AKA 3 complete health items).

The issue with Cinderhulk is that after this point, it became rapidly hard to control the impact of any health item in the game – as the effects of said item were wildly variant – hence the adjustment.

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Xypherous Final PortraitIt’s true that Cinderhulk is nerfed in the late game after your 3rd major Health purchase. However, until you hit 1000 bonus health – you are strong that you were previously.

With the jungle items in their current state – if you wanted someone to be strong in the extreme late game – your first option probably wouldn’t be tanks to begin with given that there are multiple routes for end-game success in the jungle that it’s running directly into.

The other facet of this is that if Cinderhulk has to compete in the end-game against these other two – what it effectively would have to do is create unstoppable characters that cannot be killed – and so even if it does work – it wouldn’t be a state we’d be particularly happy with.

Therefore, by shifting Cinderhulk’s impact to be more impactful mid game and less impactful late game – the item actually has a window to shine – rather than be overshadowed end-game by a devourer or completely dominant when it is good.

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What do the Thornmail changes mean for tanks who want to counter ADCs

Xypherous Final PortraitYou need to hard commit to armor in order to screw ADCs in the new Thornmail model – and ADCs that build crit can ignore Thornmail more than more AS centric ones.

If you’re trying to deal the same damage to a critical carry as before – you’ll need like 200 to 350 bonus armor (depending on the damage of the carry.)

It’s a net nerf overall – until you get into champion specifics. Rammus / Malphite in particular can hit much higher levels of Armor much earlier – and so their own synergies with the item increase, for example.

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Context on Riots statement for not working on a sandbox mode

Pwyff Final PortraitThis is a hard stance to take, but we do agree with what you’re saying. That’s pretty much why we opened with an agreement.

Where it gets fuzzy… on this comment chain someone mentioned (https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3fwiy0/riot_pls_league_of_legends/ctsl875) that if someone wants to improve their freethrows, they go practice freethrows – in League that means players should have an expected mode available where they can practice combos, flashing, etc. I’m not straw manning this thing but that’s always been a core concern when it comes to dictating behavior. I’ll explain:

An answer like “players will see sandbox mode as an expectation rather than a ‘fun tool’ sounds very ‘we know better'” but it’s a pretty significant concern when you look at other games (ie: fighting games) where, if a player wants to get involved, they need to hop into dozens of hours of training mode first.

So in a game that’s oriented around players playing to improve, imagine a world where you miss one flash over a wall and your whole team tells you to quit and hop into sandbox mode? Once again, I don’t think it’s an ironclad stance that will convince the world – I do think it’s got merit. I’d imagine everyone’s had games already where someone’s told them to quit playing ranked and to go play normals. If an additional layer of sandbox got added underneath, that’s what we’re talking about.


I think a different thread died, but I wanted to link out a more cohesive perspective on this:

https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3fwuvo/riotpwyff_sandbox_mode_will_not_be_implemented/ctsqxen

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WHY SANDBOX MODE ISNT COMING TO LEAGUE

Pwyff’s comments are in response to Riot’s recently-posted announcement, which you can read HERE.

 

So youre not adding sandbox mode because of toxic players

Pwyff Final PortraitI’m going to push back on the concept of it being player toxicity, sorry if it got represented like that. I’ll walk through it again…

First, banksy has a comment here I want to hop off of (https://www.reddit.com/r/leagueoflegends/comments/3fwiy0/riot_pls_league_of_legends/ctsq90u) and work from.

I think the concept of sandbox mode has a billion different meanings (free-form practice, custom game modes, etc), so just clear that we’re talking about a lot of things. The one that resonates the most is the concept of a free-form training mode for practicing abilities and techniques in isolation without the pressure of a game. That’s what we’re going to use as a shared definition!

When we say we have a lot of debate, we mean it. Even in discussions today, we have lead designers saying there are aspects of sandbox mode that we could or should explore. I’ve talked a lot about the risks in various threads, but I want to emphasize it’s not so much player toxicity as it is broad expectations. If the skill floor for fundamentals requires extensive time spent in sandbox mode, that’s kind of scary. But for many (including designers), this is an acceptable risk for the potential gains – like pros being able to practice or players who want to get better having that option. It’s choice vs. no choice, as many of you have said. I wanted to accurately represent both sides and acknowledge them.

The stance sounds fluffyish because it was born of necessity to put the conversation to rest. As banksy puts it, there are a lot of good reasons to explore training-sandbox mode and we’re having conversations even from these comments and replies. But in terms of prioritization, it’s still below our current ones. We are talking and we hear you – to do sandbox mode right will probably require a lot of investment.

Probably a lesson for the future then. For a nuanced topic like sandbox mode, that seems more like a discussion than something on a dev blog. It’s clear we sound super authoritative and hard-headed about this, so we’ll adjust. I do think it’s a conversation you can bring up as a “we still want this!” but we also want to be clear it’s not happening soon. In other words, an idea can be good but it also can not be a priority. There is DEFINITELY a better way to reach that conclusion because this one’s pretty, uh, painful.

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Pwyff Final PortraitI wouldn’t actually say it’s toxicity of the community as it is broad behavioral patterns. The thing about massive communities is how prone they are to group-think. I’ve said this before and this sounds super ‘we know better’ but it’s the same thing with community management. What a community ‘picks up’ as cultural norms or expectations sticks with them for a long time. I don’t want to analyze how these things get picked up in the first place, but if you look at something like the boards where there’s a lot of very heated debate over every little change, you can see that’s the ‘expectation’ of the environment. You can only really change that by iterative steps along the way (ie: “Let’s have a constructive conversation”).

Once again, this won’t be an answer that says “you are all convinced” – it’s an answer that shows there are a lot of underlying concerns and why it’s tough to judge which way that coin will fall.

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Pwyff Final PortraitI don’t think these responses are going to make things better or convince people who might have otherwise disagreed. I’m just making the stances clear on both sides, even if they are very, uh, polarizing.

Once again, I just don’t think this is going to be a “let’s convince everyone” because I get where your values are coming from and I’m just hoping people might see where ours come from.

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Players improve via educational mediums not from spamming solo queue

Pwyff Final PortraitI agree with you that educational mediums are huge for learning League – maybe we can get better at showcasing those (I believe in NA we’re highlighting them in the client).

The argument that “it would have happened already” with CS drills is something you do see even if it’s not on a broad scale. Where I’d say it’s ‘already happened’ is if you hop into a ranked game, perform badly, and hear someone tell you “go back to casuals” (or just uninstall). That does occur and that should be the last stop (or vs. AI bots) of where people go to when it comes to improving.

I realize I’m just repeating myself from other parts of the thread and it’s really clear the disconnect comes from a very odd “that is a risk” stance and y’all saying “it won’t happen that way.” I won’t say agree to disagree but…

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FIGHTER UPDATES

 

Darius Final Portrait

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  • Attack Range increased from 125 to 175
  • Attack Damage-per-level increased from 3.5 to 5
  • Health per level increased from 93 to 100
  • Armor per level increased from 3.5 to 4
  • Base Attack Speed reduced from 0.679 to 0.625
  • Attack Speed-per-level decreased from 4% to 1%

 

Buff BoxHemorrhage Final Icon

Hemorrhage [ Passive ]

  • [New] Bloodrage: Darius now enters Bloodrage for 5 seconds whenever an enemy champion reaches max Hemorrhage or dies to Noxian Guillotine. During Bloodrage, Darius gains 40-200 bonus Attack Damage and applies max Hemorrhage to enemies hit.
  • Bleed now deals physical damage instead of magic
  • Base bleed damage per stack decreased from 12-36 to 10-27
  • Darius no longer gains bonus Movement Speed if enemy champions are bleeding

 

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Change BoxDecimate Final IconDecimate [ Q ]

  • Now has a 0.75 second delay before swinging
  • Darius heals for 10% of his missing Health for each enemy champion hit by the blade, capped at 30%
  • Damage on the outer circle has been changed from 105/157.5/210/262.5/315 [+1.05 Bonus AD] to 20/40/60/80/100 [+1/1.1/1.2/1.3/1.4 Total AD]
  • Damage in the inner circle has been decreased from 66% of the outer circle’s damage to 50%, or 10/20/30/40/50 [+0.5/0.55/0.6/0.65/0.7 Total AD]
  • Enemies hit by the handle (inner circle) no longer receive a stack of Hemorrhage

 

Change BoxCrippling Strike Final IconCrippling Strike [ W ]

  • Damage changed from 120/140/160/180/200% of Total AD to 140% of Total AD at all ranks
  • Slow strength increased from 20/25/30/35/40% to 40/50/60/70/80%
  • Slow duration decreased from 2 seconds to 1
  • Crippling Strike no longer lowers the Attack Speed of enemies
  • Cooldown changed from 8 seconds at all ranks to 9/8/7/6/5
  • No longer reduces the base cooldown of the spell per Hemorrhage stack
  • Mana cost decreased from 30/35/40/45/50 to 30

 

Buff BoxApprehend Final IconApprehend [ E ]

  • Fixed a bug where enemies would be pulled in if they escaped the area during the cast time
  • Cast time decreased from 0.35 seconds to 0.25
  • Now briefly slows targets after being pulled in

 

Change BoxNoxian Guilotine Final IconNoxian Guillotine [ R ]

  • Base minimum damage decreased from 160/250/340 to 100/200/300
  • No longer refunds Mana on re-casts; instead, all re-casts cost no Mana
  • At rank 3, Noxian Guillotine has no Mana cost
  • Upon executing an enemy champion, all nearby minions and monsters become terrified for a few seconds

 

 

Garen Final Portrait

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  • Recommended items updated
  • Health-per-level decreased from 96 to 84.25
  • AD-per-level increased from 3.5 to 4.5
  • Armor-per-level increased from 2.7 to 3
  • Auto Attack range increased from 125 to 175

 

Nerf BoxPerseverance Final IconPerseverance [ Passive ]

  • At level 16, the Heal regen has been decreased from 2% to 1.6%



Nerf BoxDecisive Strike Final IconDecisive Strike [ Q ]

  • Silence duration decreased from 1.5/1.75/2/2.25/2.5 seconds to 1.5 at all ranks

 

 

Nerf BoxCourage Final IconCourage [ W ]

  • No longer grants 20% bonus Armor and Magic Resist
  • New passive: Killing units permanently grants 0.2 Armor and Magic Resist (1 for champions, large monsters, and epic monsters), up to a maximum of 10/15/20/25/30
  • Active no longer decreases the duration of incoming CC by 30%

 

Change BoxJudgement Final IconJudgment [ E ]

  • Damage per tick changed from 10/22.5/35/47.5/60 [+0.35/0.4/0.45/0.5/0.55 Total AD] to 12/16/20/24/28 [+0.47/0.49/0.51/0.53/0.55 Total AD]
  • Base damage ticks per cast decreased from 6 to 5
  • Cooldown decreased from 13/12/11/10/9 seconds to 9 at all ranks
  • New passive: Judgement’s spin speed permanently increases at levels 1/4/7/10/13/16, resulting in a total of 5/6/7/8/9/10 maximum ticks of damage per cast
  • If Garen cancels Judgement prematurely, he’s refunded cooldown equal to the remaining duration of the spin
  • Garen no longer moves 20% slower while moving through minions
  • Garen now moves 20% slower while moving toward champions he’s hitting with Judgment
  • Judgment no longer benefits from Critical Strike Chance or Critical Strike Damage

 

Buff BoxDemacian Justice Final IconDemacian Justice [ R ]

  • New Passive: The enemy champion with the most recent kills is marked as Villain. Judgment ticks and basic attacks on the Villain deal an additional 1% of its max Health as true damage
  • Demacian Justice now deals true damage to the Villain instead of magic damage

 
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Mordekaiser Final Portrait

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  • Recommended Items updated
  • Base Movement Speed decreased from 340 to 330
  • Base Health decreased from 555 to 525
  • Health-per-level increased from 73 to 80
  • AD-per-level increased from 3.5 to 5
  • Attack Speed-per-level increased from 2.6% to 3%
  • Health-per-5 increased from 3.3 [+0.3 per level] to 4 [+0.55 per level]
  • Attack animation improved, but no longer scales as well with Attack Speed
  • Auto attack range increased from 125 to 200
  • Armor-per-level increased from 2.7 to 3

 

Change BoxIron Man Final IconIron Man [ Passive ]

  • Shield decay-per-second changed from 3% of the shield’s max value to 2% of base Health
  • The shield will now stop decaying when it reaches 25%
  • Maximum shield value is now equal to 25% of Morde’s maximum Health (no longer scales with level)
  • Shield generation decreased from 35% of damage dealt to 25%

 

Buff BoxMace of Spades Final IconMace of Spades [ Q ]

  • Now buffs Mordekaisers next 3 attacks. The first one deals 3/6/9/12/15 [+0.25 Total AD] [+0.2 AP]  bonus magic damage. Each next strike deals 2/2.25/2.5/2.75/3 times the damage of the previous one. Maximum damage of the third strike is 27/54/81/108/135 [+2.25 Total AD] [+1.8 AP]
  • Health cost decreased from 20/25/30/35/40 to 20/23/26/29/32
  • Cooldown increased from 8/7/6/5/4 seconds to 10/8.5/7/6.5/5

 

Change BoxCreeping Death Final IconCreeping Death [ W ]

  • New Passive: Mordekaiser receives full experience from any lane minion he kills, regardless of lane partners;
  • New Active – Harvesters of Sorrow: Mordekaiser and target ally champion gain 75 Movement Speed while moving toward one another;
  • When close to one another, both deal 140/180/220/260/280 [+0.6 AP] magic damage to nearby enemies over 4 seconds. Mordekaiser can reactive the ability to instantly steal half the spell’s DoT, or 50/70/90/110/130 [+0.3 AP]. This value is reduced to 33% against minions, with a maximum of three targets;
  • Cooldown decreased from 20/18/16/14/12 seconds to 12/11/10/9/8;
  • Health cost removed.

 

Change BoxSiphon of Destruction Final Icon Siphon of Destruction [ E ]

  • Base damage decreased from 70/115/160/205/250 to 35/65/95/125/155
  • Now additionally scales with 0.6 of Total AD
  • Cooldown decreased from 6 seconds at all ranks to 6/5.75/5.5/5.25/5
  • If the spell hits an enemy Champion, Morde instantly fills 15% of his maximum shield

 

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Buff BoxChildren of the Grave Final IconChildren of the Grave [ R ]

  • Damage increased from 12/14.5/17 [+ 0.02 AP] % to 20/25/30 [+ 0.04 AP] % of target’s maximum health (again, half the damage is dealt, instant, half over a 10-second period)
  • New Passive – Dragon Force: Dealing damage to the Dragon curses it for 10 seconds. If Mordekaiser’s team kills a cursed target, Mordekaiser gets a ghost of that target that has 30% the
  • Ghost duration increased from 45 seconds at all ranks to 45/60/75
  • Additionally, Mordekaiser gains 30% of his ghost’s AP and 25% of its bonus Health
  • The ghost is granted 10/25/50 bonus AD and bonus Health equal to 15% of Mordekaiser’s maximum Health

 

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Skarner Final Portrait

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  • Recommended Items updated
  • Base Movement speed decreased from 345 to 330
  • Base Health-per-level decreased from 96 to 84.25
  • AD-per-level increased from 4.2 to 4.5

 

New Item BoxCrystal Spires Final IconCrystal Spires [ New Passive ]

  • Skarner’s presence causes crystals to spawn in set locations around the map. Crystals can be captured by either team by standing on top of them. Capturing prevents them from being captured by the opposing team for 10 seconds.
  • While near active crystals, Skarner gains 150 Movement Speed, 35% [+5% per level] Attack Speed and restores 3% of his maximum Mana per second.

 

Crystal capture specifics:

  • Crystals remain captured permanently for the capturing team until recaptured by the opposing team
  • Capturing a crystal grants 15g to players that helped capture it
  • Crystals are locked out of being recaptured for 10 seconds after being captured
  • While on the 10 second lockout, crystals provide vision in a medium area around them (and provide no other vision the rest of the time)
  • If a member of the team owning the crystal is standing on the crystal, it cannot be captured

 

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Note that the shrines look differently for two of Skarner’s skins:

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Change BoxCrystal Slash Final Icon Crystal Slash [ Q ]

  • Uncharged damage changed from 20/30/40/50/60 [+0.4 Bonus AD] to 0.32/0.34/0.36/0.38/0.40 Total AD
  • Charged damage changed from 20/30/40/50/60 [+0.2 AP] to 0.32/0.34/0.36/0.38/0.40 Total AD
  • Cooldown decreased from 3.5 seconds at all ranks to 3.5/3.25/3/2.75/2.5
  • Duration of charge buff decreased from 5 seconds to 4
  • Against non-champions, basic attacks now decrease Skarner’s cooldowns by 0.25 seconds, decreased from 0.5
  • Mana cost decreased from 16/17/18/19/20 to 10/11/12/13/14
  • Crystal Slash no longer stacks bonus Movement Speed and Attack Speed

 

Change BoxCrystalline Exoskeleton Final IconCrystalline Exoskeleton [ W ]

  • Shield value changed from 80/135/190/245/300 [+0.8 AP] to 12/13/14/15/16% of Max HP [+0.8 AP]

 

 

Buff BoxFracture Final IconFracture [ E ]

  • Missile speed now decreases for each champion hit
  • Enemies hit by Fracture are afflicted with Crystal Venom for 5 seconds, causing Skarner’s next basic attack against them to deal 25/50/75/100/125 additional physical damage and stun them for 1 second.
  • Slow duration decreased from 2.5 seconds to 2

 

Change BoxImpale Final IconImpale [ R ]

  • Base magic damage decreased from 100/150/200 to 20/60/100
  • Now deals additional physical damage both at the start of the channel and at the end, equal to 100% of Skarner’s Total AD
  • Mana cost decreased from 100/125/150 to 100 at all ranks
  • Cooldown decreased from 110/100/90 seconds to 120/100/80
  • No longer deals bonus damage to targets with Crystal Venom

 

 

Champion Changes

 

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Buff BoxRiftwalk Final IconRiftwalk [ R ]

  • First jump’s damage additionally scales with 0.2 AP; each subsequent Riftwalk scales with 0.1 AP

 

 

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Buff BoxFlurry Final IconFlurry [ Passive ]

  • Lee Sin now gains 20 energy back on the first basic attack and 10 on the second, changed from 15 energy on both attacks

 

Buff BoxDragons Rage Final IconDragon’s Rage [ R ]

  • If the target of the kick hits an enemy Champion, it deals additional physical damage equal to 15/18/21% of its bonus Health (damage stacks with more targets hit)

 

 

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Buff BoxFrozen Tomb Final IconFrozen Tomb [ R ]

  • When self-cast, Frozen Tomb heals Lissandra for 100/150/200 [+0.3 AP]; this value is increased by 1% for each 1% of Health missing

 

 

Lucian Final Portrait

 

Buff BoxArdent Blaze Final IconArdent Blaze [ W ]

  • Bonus Movement Speed increased from 40/45/50/55/60 to 60/65/70/75/80
  • Duration of MS buff decreased from 2 seconds to 1
  • Lucian can now gain the MS buff if any ally hits a target marked by Ardent Blaze
  • Mana cost decreased from 60 at all ranks to 50

 

 

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Buff BoxSiphoning Strike Final IconSiphoning Strike [ Q ]

  • While the Siphoning Strike buff is active, Nasus’s basic attack range is increased from 125 to 150

 

 

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Buff BoxDeath Mark Final IconDeath Mark [ R ]

  • Delay on recasting Death Mark has been decreased from 1 second to 0.5

 

 

NEW ITEMS

 

Riot Axes New PortraitHi folks,

In support of the Juggernaut champion changes, we’re releasing a pair of new items – Sterak’s Gage and Titanic Hydra. This thread is a good place for feedback.

 

 


New Item BoxSterak Gage Final Icon Sterak’s Gage

Recipe: Giant’s Belt [1000 Gold] + Long Sword [360 Gold] + 1190 Gold combine cost = 2550 Gold total

Grants 500 Health and AD equal to 25% of the user’s Base AD

UNIQUE Passive: Upon taking at least 400 to 1800 damage (based on level) within 5 seconds, gain Primal Rage for 8 seconds.

Primal Rage: Grow in size and strength, gaining increased size, +25% additional Base Attack Damage, and a rapidly decaying shield for 30% of your maximum Health.

 

Storak Gage Ingame

 


Some quick context: It turns out there’s a ton of ambient AOE damage on the front lines of a teamfight – a lot of ults hit for 500+ and they all tend to come down at once. Sterak’s Gage should help Juggernauts avoid dying by accident in an average teamfight while leaving them able to be killed by focus fire or truly dedicated wombo.


 

New Item BoxTitanic Hydra Final IconTitanic Hydra (Melee Only)

Recipe: Tiamat [1900 Gold] + Ruby Crystal [400 Gold] + 1000 Gold combine cost = 3300 Gold total

Grants 250 Health, 50 AD and 100% Base Health Regen

UNIQUE Passive: Basic attacks deal 20 plus 1% of your maximum health as bonus physical damage on hit.

UNIQUE Passive – Cleave: Basic attacks deal 40 plus 2.5% of your maximum health as physical damage in a cone on hit (the target does not take this damage).

UNIQUE Active – Crescent: Your next basic attack deals physical damage equal to 20 plus 10% of your maximum health in a larger cone on hit (20 second cooldown, Cleave doesn’t apply to this attack).

 

Titanic Hydra Ingame

 


Quick context: The Black Cleaver covers spell-based tanky melee champs pretty well, and Trinity Force covers its set of champions amazingly. Titanic Hydra should cover more basic attack-focused Juggernauts with their own option while providing a decent stretch goal for other Juggernauts having a great game to shoot for.


Quick note – VFX, audio, and icons are still work in progress.

This thread is a great place to leave feedback if you get a chance to test these items.

Thanks!

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Item Changes

 

Xypherous Final PortraitHey guys,

Defensive items right now are in a generally okay place – It’s not great but it’s functional.

There are some very high powered items (especially in Armor) but there are also some weaker items (especially in Magic Resistance) that are viable so on the whole – defensive builds as a whole generally reach the amount of power / cost that’s probably okay.

However, we’ll be introducing several new defensive items in the 5.16 patch and the existence of these high powered items create a world where any new item has to be almost equally high powered to compete.

This necessitates a rebalancing of power across the board such that it can be acceptable of new items being introduced.

I suspect that this changelist isn’t going to be particularly exciting – especially compared to AP – but these changes were made to provide an easier environment to balance introducing new defensive items that we’ll be introducing in the same patch.

This does have some side effects on low income characters (Support / Support Tanks / Pure Tanks) – and so we’ll likely be looking at base statistic adjustments on the ones that are most affected if we feel like they’re in a terrible spot.

TL;DR – Armor items are generally more expensive or grant less armor. Health items readjusted. Magic Resistance is generally cheaper and easier to build. Will be looking at specific support or low-income champions that might be hurt from an Armor perspective.

 

MAGIC RESISTANCE

 

Buff BoxNull Magic Mantle Final IconNull-Magic Mantle

  • Cost decreased from 500 to 450

 

Buff BoxNegatron Cloak Final IconNegatron Cloak

  • Cost decreased from 850 Gold to 800

 

Note: Rescaled the cost of MR to be roughly 90% of Armor.

Due to the change in price of Null-Magic Mantle, Wit’s End has had its cost decreased:

 

Buff BoxWits End Final IconWit’s End

  • Total cost decreased from 2600 to 2550

 

Change BoxAegis Final IconAegis of the Legion

  • Total cost decreased from 1900 Gold to 1600
  • Recipe Change: Null Magic Mantle [500 Gold] + Crystalline Bracer [600 Gold]
  • Now grants 100% Base HP regen
  • Aura no longer grants HP regen and the bonus MR to allies has been decreased from 20 to 15
  • Aura Regen: No longer grants HP Regen as an Aura.

 

Notes: Recipe change was a fairly requested change – however, given the power/size of the item – the recipe change alone would probably favor bruiser / solo tanks than actual support characters.

With this general rebalance – shrinking the item’s power and effect also lets us streamline the item path as it’ll be less suited for solo bruiser/tanks and more appropriate to support tanks / pure support who have less inventory slots.

 

Change BoxLocket of Solari Final IconLocket of the Iron Solari

  • Total cost decreased from 2800 Gold to 2750
  • Shield strength increased from 50-230 to 75-345
  • Shield duration decreased from 5 seconds to 2

 

Note: Similar to the AP item work – taking the time to sharpen the identity and power of several of these items. While a 5 second low power shield is fairly decent at general defense – it’s not quite enough shield to save someone and somewhat poor at fighting back against a high powered burst spell.

Compressing the power and duration of the shield is aimed at pushing the power away from general ambient damage absorption to a more reactive ‘block’ approach.

 

Buff BoxBanner of Command Final IconBanner of Command

  • Total cost decreased from 3000 Gold to 2750

 

 

Buff BoxSpectres Cowl Final IconSpectre’s Cowl

  • Magic Resistance increased from 35 to 40

 

 

Buff BoxSpirit Visage Final IconSpirit Visage

  • Total cost decreased from 2750 Gold to 2700
  • Magic Resistance increased from 55 to 60
  • Bonus Base Health regeneration increased from 100% to 150%

 

Buff BoxBanshees Veil Final IconBanshee’s Veil

  • Total cost decreased from 2750 Gold to 2700
  • Recipe Change: Ruby Crystal [400 Gold] swapped for Crystalline Bracer [600 Gold]
  • Magic Resistance increased from 55 to 60

 

Notes: Nothing to see here. Just general cost / power tuning – as well as some light recipe adjustments. Crystalline Bracer now forks at Veil and Aegis if you’re building MR -or- between RG and Warmog’s if you’re looking for Health.

 

ARMOR RESISTANCE

 

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  • Total cost increased from 1000 Gold to 1100
  • Bonus Base Health regeneration increased from 100% to 150%
  • Point Runner: Movement speed maximum reduced to 20% (from 30%). However, Movement Speed now decays over 2 seconds instead of instantly dropping off when you leave the proximity of a tower.

 

Notes: In general, Raptor’s Cloak was pretty good at one or two specific scenarios (dancing) – however, the usability tuning of it frequently meant it was pretty inconsistent in a lot of other things. While this isn’t the core problem with the item – doing some light tuning passes here to improve some of the usability around this item.

 

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  • Total cost decreased from 2800 Gold to 2750
  • Point Runner: See Raptor Cloak.
  • Void Spawn Health Decay: Is now a % of their current health rather than maximum, minimum of one. This effectively doubles their health (and roaming range!) but greatly reduces their effective health at all points.
  • Void Spawn Gold Counter: Now shows you how much gold you earned from Voidlings.
  • Empowered Void Spawn: Empowered Voidlings now scale off 15% of your maximum Health rather than your resistances.

 

Notes: Some cleanup and adjustments on ZZ’Rot Portal – mostly for usability. While the range is ‘doubled’ – the health of the voidlings is lower at any given point – so poor placements of ZZ’Rot will still get you voidlings when you properly support them but at generally far lower health pools.

 

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  • Point Runner: See ZZ’Rot Portal

 

 

ARMOR ITEMS

 

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  • Total Cost decreased from 950 Gold to 900

 

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  • Total Cost increased from 1050 Gold to 1100

 

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  • Price increased from 2450 Gold to 2600
  • Armor decreased from 100 to 90

 

Notes: So Frozen Heart is one of several main defensive item outliers in terms of just raw power and efficiency – so we’re going to tone that down by quite a bit as, compared to other items – the effective power to cost ratio was incredibly high.

Due to the price reduction of Glacial Shroud, Zeke’s Harbinger and Icebourn Gauntlet are now also cheaper:

 

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  • Total cost decreased from 2900 to 2850

 

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  • Total cost decreased from 2300 to 2250

 

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  • Price increased from 2100 Gold to 2300
  • UNIQUE Passive now reflects 15% of damage + 25% of the user’s bonus Armor, changed from 30% of damage

 

Note: Thornmail was another major outlier in terms of power effectiveness – but – it is only strong in the presence of high health pools. Because Thornmail is such an effective standalone Armor item and additional Armor doesn’t really make Thornmail much stronger – Thornmail is strongest when you can stack Health (as is the case for most pure resistance items.)

While this case will always be naturally powerful – putting a hook onto Thornmail such that purchasing additional Armor items unlocks a different sort of power as well as having some more soft synergies with other champions (Leona, Rammus, etc.)

If you’re under the effects of a negative % decrease in Armor – Thornmail will ignore it for the purpose of calculating bonus damage. However, flat decreases and shreds that cancel our your innate % increases (For example, Malphite vs. Garen) – will impact the damage of Thornmail.

 

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  • Total Cost decreased from 2850 Gold to 2700
  • Health decreased from 500 to 400
  • Armor decreased from 70 to 60
  • Cold Steel Passive: Unchanged
  • Crit Damage Reduction: Now reduces critical strike damage taken by 10%.
  • Slow Active: Duration no longer scales off Armor and Magic Resistance, instead it will always slow for a flat four seconds.

 

Notes: Randuin’s Omen is probably one of the more ubiquitous items in the game in terms of general purpose strength. Since we’re adding several items that try to do slightly different things – sharpening Randuin’s Omen to be a more dedicated ‘Oh god, crits are murdering me’ item seemed appropriate. However, this is overall intended to be a moderate nerf to the item.

 

HEALTH

 

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  • Now grants 200% Base Health Regen [zero on live]
  • Passive Changed: Grants Warmog’s Heart if you have above 3000 life. Warmog’s Heart restores 3% of your maximum life per second when you haven’t taken damage in 8 seconds.

 

Notes: Sharpening items. MORE SHARP. MORE FOCUS.

I think we’ve been generally happy with Warmog’s Armor as an anti-siege option for the mid-late game – so we’re kind of tripling down on the concept at this point. In the late game – recalling and regenerating has roughly similar effects in a winning case – and therefore we’ve decided to push Warmog’s into a space where it is powerful enough to replace the act of Recalling for healing in the late game for character’s that choose to invest heavily into a health route.

 

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  • Total Cost decreased from 2500 Gold to 2400
  • Catalyst Passive: Loses Catalyst Passive on Upgrade.

 

Notes: Catalyst has two clear upgrades – a rush item (Rod of ze Ages) or Righteous Glory (Team Fight).

One of the reasons we’ve tuned down RG over time is that whenever its strong enough to be rushed as first item, we tend to dislike how early skirmishes get decided. Trying some minor experimental stuff to discourage RG as first-pick up by giving it a clear tradeoff from its counterpart – while also making it slightly easier to build later in the game.

 

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  • Base Health increased from 300 to 400
  • Health multiplier decreased from 25% to 15%

 

Notes: This is a minor buff to Cinderhulk’s average case and a nerf to Cinderhulk’s best case late game. While Cinderhulk isn’t exactly a dominant pickup at the moment – it sits in this odd spot of having most of its power devoted to a late game which already has its fair share of powerful effects (Devourer). This change shifts it to be slightly more mid-game focused than its counterparts and should let us better control how much Health a character will have due to the reduced multipliers.

TL;DR – Armor is nerfed and more expensive. MR is generally cheaper and easier to build. Health adjusted. Total cost should be similar – but most likely more expensive. Will be looking at some classes for base statistics adjustments to compensate for potential loss in defensive armor.

 


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The recently-announced gameplay updates for Darius, Skarner, Mordekaiser & Garen have now been revealed:

 

Gameplay Updates

 

We wanted to write some thoughts up to prepare you for some pretty hefty changes we’ll be experimenting with over the next few patches. In short, here are our goals:

  • Every game of League should feel meaningfully different based on the champions in it
  • Each champion in League should feel distinct from one another

We’re primarily going to talk about the second goal here: getting all champions in League to feel different from each other through unique gameplay in addition to their themes and art.

Every game of League should feel meaningfully different based on the champions in it

Now, some champs already bring their unique brand of play to League. Take Blitzcrank into a game and you’ll heavily affect the way both teams play. Instead of looking for solid initiation, your team will more likely wait for you to pull off a successful pick, while the enemy team will position their frontline in the hope of getting grabbed. And Rocket Grab is just one ability on one champion!

Plenty of other champs have similar impact, from Gnar with his rage meter, to Yasuo with his Wind Wall. But while we succeeded with some, we frankly didn’t with others (such as Darius and Garen) and, when two champs play the same way, you just end up picking the one that does the same things better. The result is the same folks played in every game (unless that power balance shifts), and each game of League feeling similar. That’s one of the main things we wanted to begin solving with this update.

Previously when balancing champs, we’ve occasionally taken the approach of nerfing their strengths so we could buff their weaknesses. We’re not doing that here. Instead, we’re often entirely refocusing each champion’s power so that their highs and lows are both deeper and more differentiated from others in the same role.

Rather than just diving in headfirst and tackling all the champions, our plan is to break them down into groups – tackling champions who share roughly the same strategic or tactical niche as others at the same time. By hitting a handful of champs at a time, we can address a few underserved groups, like the first set that we’ve affectionately referred to as juggernauts.

Caveat: A lot of the following changes may sound like net buffs–and they generally are–but often times we didn’t want to only add power, so we’ve shifted a lot of strength around to more focus these tanky melee carries on offering more unique identities with conditional power built on their range. You’ll find more information in the patch notes, but we wanted to highlight our intentions here even if we aren’t going through the full changelist.

 

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Nasus. Darius. Garen. Skarner. When you think brute force, these champions should come to mind: powerful, durable, immobile and melee. They’re League’s hulking titans who, come late game, turn into super tanky carries who’ll pretty much destroy anyone foolish enough to get in their way. The prototypical juggernaut is Nasus, the classic one dog late game wrecking machine. The archetypal raid boss can only do his thing when he’s in melee range, and his lack of gap closer means he often has to rely on allied speed boosts like Sivir’s On The Hunt or well-aimed crowd control like a Morgana binding to get close, but once he does, he unleashes the power of his trademark Siphoning Strike.

When you think brute force, these champions should come to mind: powerful, durable, immobile and melee.


This balance of power and peelability helps keep tanky melee carries in a good state and leads to distinct playstyles that belong to each champion. What we did with this update was we took a look at some of the juggernauts that occupied the same ‘tactical space’ as Nasus (we think there are a few more than these, but settled on four for our first set) and added a little more uniqueness where we could.

 

 

 

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Death by my hand

We’ve always thought of Darius as one of League’s strongest cleanup fighters, the pentakill machine who’d outlast his enemies’ attacks before apprehending his wounded enemies and getting his chop on. The problem was, while that fantasy is great, Darius almost never got to do any of it. Either you’d build damage on him and die before it was cleanup time, or build tanky and lack the damage to properly get your dunk on.

With this update, we’re tweaking Hemorrhage and giving the big guy’s passive a new tool: Bloodrage:

 

HEMORRHAGE PASSIVE

Hemorrhage Final IconDarius cuts enemies he attacks, causing them to bleed. Hemorrhage can stack up to five times.

[New] Bloodrage: Whenever Darius executes an enemy with Noxian Guillotine or fully stacks Hemorrhage on a target, he gains Bloodrage for a few seconds. While under the effects of Bloodrage, Darius deals greatly increased physical damage and applies max Hemorrhage stacks to all enemies he hits.

 

 

The idea here is to give Darius the means to be Darius. The damage amp upon fully stacking Bloodrage is huge, but he still has to work to get it. Opponents will have to be much more cautious about letting the Hand of Noxus get his passive stacks going – preventing him from gaining stacks means he won’t go into Bloodrage which, in turn, means he’ll have a much harder time chaining his executions together. But when he does… well… there will be pentakills.

 

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Justice, by law, or by sword

Garen’s an interesting champion to work on. He’s League’s preeminent “spin to win” champion, but doesn’t really bring enough uniqueness to the games he’s in. What’s more, when late game comes around, the Might of Demacia turns into the Meek of Demacia and falls off so hard he doesn’t do much other than occasionally tell people – very loudly – where he’s from. We wanted to balance Garen out a little, so we tinkered with his power curve to make him weaker early but stronger come late game, and then added a fancy new passive to the big man’s ult.

 

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Demacian Justice Final Icon[NEW] Passive: Garen identifies the enemy champion with the most recent kills as the enemy team’s Villain. Judgment ticks and basic attacks on the Villain deal an additional 1% of their max Health as true damage.

Active: Garen calls upon the might of Demacia to deal a finishing blow to a targeted enemy. The more health they’re missing, the more damage Demacian Justice will deal. [NEW] Demacian Justice deals true damage to the enemy team’s Villain.

 

 

Now Garen has an active and unique role in every game: to destroy any foe, regardless of how tanky they are, so long as they’ve recently killed one of his friends (champions on his team). This isn’t just cool in design terms, it’s also super fitting to his character’s fantasy: now Garen’s a protector of the weak both in and out of game, and has a kit that directly opposes Darius’. This isn’t a static rivalry either – Villainy will adapt as the game progresses, changing Garen’s target as his enemies rise to – and fall from – power.

 

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Fear my sting

Skarner has one of the coolest ultimates in the game and we think that’s A Good Thing, but we also wanted to give him a few more toys to be excited about when kidnapping isn’t on the docket. We wanted Skarner to have something truly unique to him – here’s where we ended up:

 

 

Whenever Skarner is in a game, six crystal spires appear on the Rift. They’re located by red buff, blue buff, Baron, and Dragon.These crystal spires are capturable, just like the altars on Twisted Treeline. When someone on the lonely scorpion’s team captures a spire, it creates a zone that gives Skarner (only Skarner!) pretty significant boosts to his movement and attack speed. The enemy team can capture them too and, when they do, they gain gold, a short burst of vision, and temporarily lock Skarner out from his super meaningful buffs. That’s the key – with these changes, Skarner becomes a neutral objective control king, and super useful for teams looking to overcome their enemies with buff and map control.

 

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Misery loves company

Last but certainly not least, we took a look at ol’ Morde. Over the years, he’s been a consistently difficult champion to balance thanks to his pretty unique mechanics. League’s very own man of steel is a shielded and manaless AP burst mage who’s super slow, lacks crowd control… and is often played in a solo lane. So, rather than committing to balancing him in a patchwork fashion for the next few years, we decided to try something a little crazy. Here goes…

We’re trying Mordekaiser out as a duo lane juggernaut, intended to step up in lieu of a regular marksmen pick.

Yep.

Morde’s rework has some pretty unique aspects. For starters, Creeping Death now only deals damage if Morde and his targeted ally stay near each other, a change intended to help entice Morde into duo lanes the way we mentioned. Secondly, even if he’s playing in lane with a support, he’ll earn full experience from any minion he’s able to last hit (support will get their usual half share of xp). This means that Mordekaiser, unless he dies horribly beforehand, will always hit level six way before his lane opponents, and will always have a pretty handy advantage when it comes to bot lane battles and early game dragon contests.

Speaking of dragon, check this out:

 

 

Whenever he deals damage specifically to the dragon, Mordekaiser curses it – if his team’s then able to kill it, Morde summons a specter of dragon that follows him around and fights for him. If you’ve ever thought about watching dragon and Baron duke it out… well… now you can.

Obviously these are some pretty significant updates that are, as ever, subject to change, but hopefully we’ve shown you some unique and different angles for the juggernauts we’re looking at and how we’re looking to diversify champs in similar spots. We’ve plans for other tanky melee carries (specifically Shyvana and Olaf), and broader plans beyond that for the entire champion roster. Again, our goal is that every champion in League has specific reasons to be picked, or brings a unique and awesome thing to each game.

There’ll be more info in upcoming patch notes, but in the meantime, let us know your thoughts in the comments below.

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Riot’s current Champion Update schedule features Darius, Garen, Skarner and Mordekaiser. Below is a discussion on what each of these smaller-scale gameplay updates will focus on:

 

 

Did these updates pop up in the rework schedule because theyre smallscale

Meddler Final PortraitYup, Poppy’s a full relaunch (Sion level of changes in terms of gameplay, visuals, audio etc). The four champs added to the update list today by contrast are all smaller projects with a gameplay focus.

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When will the reworks for Darius Garen Skarner be up on the PBE

Meddler Final PortraitOur aim is to release the Garen, Darius, Skarner and Morde reworks in the same patch, along with some changes to fighter and defensive itemization. As usual that’s not 100% guaranteed, it’s certainly what we’re trying for though.

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Meddler Final PortraitOdds are pretty high this stuff will be in 5.16.

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What do you mean by fighter and defensive itemization

Meddler Final PortraitA new item or two, plus some small (mainly) adjustments to defensive items (in general Armor items are getting slight nerfs, MR items slight buffs).

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Why are so many reworks being released at the same time

Meddler Final PortraitDeliberate choice to pair these reworks with the item changes.

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Whats the scope of Mordes rework Will he get a Visual Update too

Meddler Final PortraitMorde’s a moderate sized update (bigger than Garen, Skarner or Darius). His skills are still pretty similar, but all have at least some degree of adjustment, with a push in more of a bruiser direction. We’re not going to be giving him CC or mobility though, we feel lack of those, in exchange for some otherwise pretty inappropriate stuff (that ult especially), is a key part of Morde’s identity.

We’re with you that Morde could do with a visual update. There are other characters we feel need the work more though on the art side, so he’s a way down the priority list (Poppy’s the primary art intensive project on the Champion Update team right now). We’re going for a mainly gameplay update as a result, since we’ve got kit changes ready to go (with some limited visual effects changes to support them as needed).

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Do you still plan on making Mordekaiser more bruiseroriented

Meddler Final PortraitTankier, more sustained damage/close range damage, less burst combo.

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Will Darius rework be up on the PBE next week

Repertoir New PortraitThey should all go to PBE at the same time barring unexpected complications with one of them.

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Will you fix Darius E to not pull enemies who dash out of range

Meddler Final PortraitWe will be changing Darius’s E so that it checks for targets to pull at end of cast, not start (so no more flash away but still get pulled).

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What will be the scope of Skarners rework

Meddler Final PortraitSomewhat bigger than Garen, though not dramatically so. One of the biggest things we want to do in his case is give him a clearer niche when his ult’s on CD.

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What aspects of Skarners kit do you plan on changing

Scruffy Final PortraitThe general way you play him will feel very similar (though with some pretty major QoL improvements in the new passive area). The changes are gonna be more focused on giving him a more unique contribution to his team/playstyle. Effectively expect that most of his current skills will remain in tact.

Next week will answer all of the questions when he’s on PBE for testing.

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Will Skarner become more unique after the update

Scruffy Final PortraitThis is actually the major goal of the upcoming changes. Giving him some totally new things to bring to his team/the game.

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Will Skarner get an updated lore and a new Champion Spotlight

Scruffy Final PortraitFor expanded lore, yes at some point. I don’t know the exact dates though (not on the narrative team sry).

Don’t think there’s a new champ spotlight in the works right now but I know they would like to redo the one’s for reworked champs when they have the time.

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Will Skarner still be able to carry games if hes ahead

Scruffy Final PortraitYea these type of immobile bruisers (morde, skar, darius, garen) should reach pretty carry status with the amount of tankiness and damage they need to make up for their lack of mobility or CC tools.

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Tarics rework should have higher priority than Skarners update

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Goals for Garens rework

Meddler Final PortraitWe’ll be talking about Garen in detail soonish, few initial comments in the meantime though:

  • Garen’s probably the lowest scope project on that list, with the addition of a new mechanic to his kit and some noticeable power curve tuning as key elements for him. Somewhat larger gameplay changes than MF, significantly smaller than GP.
  • Changes to Garen are very much being developed with the item changes in mind.
  • Very with you on the value of distinct benefits for bringing a particular champion to a team. We’ve got something else in mind for Garen though that doesn’t overlap with other objective controllers (ult on monsters would give a very Cho/Nunu sort of feel).

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Will Garen be a reliable tank or will players be expected to build for damage

Meddler Final PortraitOur approach with the primary tags on each character is generally to reflect what a champion is trying to do in a fight, rather than how they build. Garen’s there primarily for damage for example. He does bring a little bit of CC, and he’s happy to soak up some damage where he can, but his ideal goal is to spin on someone then ult them for a kill. Tanks by contrast, even if they’ve got similar builds, tend to be much more focused on setting up the enemy team for others to kill and/or protecting their own team. Lot of disruption basically, most often through CC.

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Postrework Garen will still have his silence because it can be avoided

Meddler Final PortraitThat’s pretty accurate as to our thinking on silences (can be a good fit on champs where there are things you can do to avoid the silence, generally not appropriate on characters who have the tools to silence you with really high reliability). Garen’s keeping his silence as a result, for while it’s click to hit it’s also a melee ability and he doesn’t have a dash/jump/blink.

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Will Garen still be new player friendly

Repertoir New PortraitGaren should remain a good option for beginners after his changes (possibly better in some ways). I wouldn’t worry too much about his level of difficulty skyrocketing in his update.

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Offtopic What about Yorick Hes a fighter in need of a rework

Meddler Final PortraitWe believe Yorick needs a full scale relaunch, not just a small to moderate gameplay update. He’s behind Poppy, and likely Taric in the queue for one though. Also possible we might opt for Urgot before him, depends on how the early exploratory work on each of them comes along.

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Why doesnt Poppys rework have priority over the other fighter updates

Meddler Final PortraitThe bulk of the work that needs to be done on Poppy at this point is art/sound/VO. These other reworks by contrast are gameplay updates with the minimal amount of other work needed to support kit changes. Delaying these won’t help Poppy get out any sooner as a result, these are updates that are being done in parallel with full relaunches, not instead of.

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Is Poppys rework still in development

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Whats next for the lore team

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We have a lot of things to do, including rewrites and expansions of old bios and current character introductions, but we feel like we are on the right path, particularly as the response to the kind of template for the new introductions has been received so positively. We still have layout stuff to sort out, but the style of content seems to be resonating and we think it’s a good start.

But that’s all we consider it to be. We want to get many more stories to you, combined with a stronger basis and understanding of our Champions and the world they inhabit. Burning Tides has just made us more determined to do that.

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Do you think disabling Gangplank has been received positively

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General EU Improvements July 2015

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TL;DR: There have been connectivity (including drophack) issues in EU for the last few months. We have recently implemented some improvements, and we have some additional improvements in progress.

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Over the last several months, connectivity to EU game servers has not been stable for some players. This includes disconnects, “drophacks”, unable to reconnect, and ghost games. (see our previous post on drophacks here:http://boards.eune.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/announcements-en/ErvzMk1Y-increase-of-drophacks-may-2015)
Rioters from both EU and NA offices have been working closely together to identify specific issues and design solutions to protect your connections to LoL game servers.

Because much of what we have implemented involves security measures, we won’t go too deep into specifics. The Bad Guysâ„¢ read these boards as well, and we don’t want to give them any hints on how to be more annoying.

Here are some of the improvements we’ve rolled out, some globally and some specific to EU:

  • Tighter restrictions on network traffic able to reach Riot infrastructure. This is where, unfortunately, we must be vague. Just know that these restrictions provide more protection against drophacks and the random disconnects you might have experienced previously.
  • Server-side code optimizations have resulted in lower average load of game server processes. Not only is this just a good thing to do for energy conservation efforts, it also provides more capacity headroom to absorb malicious burdens, such as denial-of-service attacks.
  • Improved infrastructure monitoring. A common thread here at Riot is “If you don’t know about it, you can’t fix it”. In this case, we have improved our visibility into server, network, and inter-connectivity metrics. This, in turn, allows us to dig deeper and find issues affecting smaller groups of players.

But we are driving forward with more improvements:

  • Riot Direct. The exercise of building out a network across a multi-country continent is an exciting challenge. The team has been working hard negotiating locations and facilities, configuring equipment, and establishing ISP connectivity. We’re getting close to lighting up those links for LoL players, carrying all of that important network traffic across an infrastructure specifically designed for resiliency and low-latency.
  • Continued investment in security technologies. Riot teams of client, server, security, and infrastructure engineers have been busy writing up roadmaps and testing hardware/software for security improvements. Capital investments are prepared for further distribution of our security protections.

So there is a brief summary of some things Riot has been working on to improve the EU play experience of LoL. We have seen definite improvements in connectivity with the implemented measures, and we are driving to further improve with the upcoming changes. We are very committed to providing an awesome gaming experience. Thank you for playing LoL and sharing our passion for this great community of players!

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