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Darius will be receiving a minor gameplay update and potentially some unique new mechanics.

 

Can we have an update on Darius

Scruffy Final PortraitWe’ve actually come back around to the work that started 2 years ago and will have something to show very soon. Statikk picked up the darius project after he finished working on Gangplank, and it turns out we can make a lot of improvements for him without too many dramatic changes.

When it’s all done, he should have a more healthy + satisfying + some new unique stuff in his kit.

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I hope the ult stays the same

Scruffy Final PortraitAgreed, its pretty damn cool to just chop your enemies in half.

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Will he be getting a shield and a dash

Scruffy Final PortraitNo dash or shield sry.

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Mordekaiser is still slated for a rework and the team is currently debating on how to solve his mobility issues.

 

Any plans to make Mordekaiser viable

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re testing some really experimental changes for him at the moment that involve making it much more dangerous to be directly next to him. We have talked a lot about whether Morde should have some CC or more mobility. We concluded however that his lack of those tools was pretty definitional to his playstyle and an opportunity to potentially give him some effects we wouldn’t be able to do on a more mobile champion (in the same way that Nasus for example’s only allowed to have his stacking Q because he has trouble getting onto the targets he really wants).

Time wise within a month or two we should either be ready to talk about those changes in detail or be ready to say they didn’t work out and we’ve scrapped them. Worth noting that if we do them they’ll be very gameplay driven, so would only include visual changes as needed to support ability modifications. We would love to give Morde a visual upgrade in general, but have other champs that are before him in line for full overhauls.

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Can you tell us more about what Mordes identity will be post rework

Meddler Final PortraitWhat we’re currently testing is a more bruiser ish version of Morde, that builds somewhat tankier and doesn’t have as much front loaded damage. In playtests so far he’s still been able to put out quite a lot of damage in a short time frame, but he’s had to ramp up to it a bit first.

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Will you be making changes to his ultimate

Meddler Final PortraitMorde’s Ult will likely remain very similar to its current form.

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When you last made changes to Morde you said hed be more of a bruiser

Meddler Final PortraitWe did have a go at a similar approach when we were removing DFG. At that time however we only had a very brief period (one patch’s worth of development) to investigate and test changes. That wasn’t enough time to fix the issues we saw come up, or even investigate a decent range of approaches. We weren’t confident in the results of that work as a result, so ended up pulling almost all of it. This time we’re putting a solid amount of time aside for both experimentation and testing, so feel it’s worth taking another swing at that direction.

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How will the new Morde deal with being kited

Scruffy Final PortraitBeing an immobile melee with no CC does mean that you do get kited by champs like ashe or kallista. There’s two ways that we’ve thought about how Morde will be able to handle those types of champs/situations:

  1. More baseline defense – Morde right now relies almost entirely on dealing damage to stay tanky, which makes him even more dead when he cant get to target. We’re trying to bring up his reliable/baseline tankiness so that he can function better when he’s not winning already.
  2. Ally CC – This may sound like a bit of a cheesy answer but we really want Morde to be that much of a thread that allies and enemies will dread getting caught in CC when he’s nearby. If Nami lands that bubble, it’s go time for Morde.

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Do you mean Morde will have to rely on others to deal with mobility

Scruffy Final PortraitIt’s more like if I was talking about Janna (who has a lot of CC and very little damage) I would say that she is very good with ally damage. On the food chain of League of Legends, Morde will not bring the CC himself, but he does bring the damage. That will naturally pair well with allies that bring CC.

The end result wont be any farther on the “need my team to carry me” scale than amumu, janna, jinx etc.

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Are you thinking of making Morde somewhat more like Darius

Scruffy Final PortraitCloser to that sort of space yeah. We’ve got some ideas on how to reduce the ‘what do I do if I’m melee against this guy’ problem, we’ll see how they work out though.

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Will Morde receive a visual update with his gameplay changes

Scruffy Final PortraitThis time around he wont be getting the full shabang (like sion or GP) but he will be getting some small visual love to represent some of the new gameplay that he’s getting. Overall it’ll be mostly upgraded spell VFX.

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UPCOMING CHANGES TO PROMO MATCHES

 

How about removing promo series for divisions weve already reached

Riot Mirross Final PortraitThese ideas are good. We’re looking at making some changes like this at the end of this season. We’d like to reduce ambiguity around when demotion shortly after you’re promoted, as well as the pain points when you’re climbing back to a division you’ve already reached.

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Have you considered giving us a free win in promo series we’ve failed before

Riot Mirross Final PortraitYes. We decided not to make any mid-season changes, but this is something we’re planning to do.

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Wont these changes make it easier to climb and harder to fall back down

Riot Mirross Final PortraitActually changes like this aren’t going to increase the number of people in any tier overall. It’s a zero-sum game.

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Mastery Emotes will soon be visible to enemies, although they’ll still have an internal cooldown and will be affected by muting.

 

Werent Mastery Emotes supposed to be visible to enemies 3 patches ago

Riot Mirross Final PortraitWe’re are going to change this soon (not next patch, that’s already locked, probably one after) – it was mistakenly in a patch note, which caused the confusion.

We’re going to slightly increase the cooldown and make it respect muting before we make that change though.

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Socrates New PortraitHey dudes. The patch note for this went out early. Our bad.

When we tested this on pbe it could get a little spammy when abused. We decided to increase the cool down before going live with it. It will be appearing in one of the coming patch cycles.

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How about rewarding us with 500 1000 IP for achieving level 5 Mastery

Socrates New PortraitWe agree the rewards are probably too light atm for these achievements. We think we can do better than ip. Can’t share too much on this yet but it is something we are looking at.

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Lyte expands on the upcoming Team Builder Draft mode and answers community questions for why a vote feature to kick/leave Champion Select is still absent.

 

Team Builder is underrated

Lyte Final PortraitWe’ll be the first to admit that Team Builder “Classic” solves a lot of problems, but also has a few major issues that we’ve solved in the new Team Builder Draft experience. For context, Team Builder “Classic,” reduced reports by about 26%, increased honors by about 18%, and reduced negative/toxic chat by about 36% in wins, and 23% in losses. It also reduced leavers/AFKs by about 8-10%, I don’t remember that one off top of my head.

One of our primary goals in Team Builder Draft is to retain some of the benefits above in the design of the system, but invest heavily in solving the queue time issues and improving the matchmaking quality. We’ve also invested in the actual UI work so that it’s much faster to setup your team, play with friends and get into the game.

So far in testing where we bring players into Riot HQ to test Team Builder Draft, we’ve seen the vast majority of players prefer the experience over every other queue experience. So for now, we’re not going to encourage players to funnel into Team Builder “Classic,” and we’re going to see if Team Builder Draft is popular enough that it becomes the dominant Champion Select experience.

Happy to answer questions about Team Builder Draft in this thread.

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Whatre your thoughts on a votekick leave system for Champion Select

Lyte Final PortraitWe played around with a few “Vote Kick” designs before, and the results were surprising. First, let’s assume the design is a simple: players in Champion Select can vote to kick a player, and you need 4 out of 5 votes to proceed.

Immediately, we saw the behaviors change in Champion Select. One, players began using the “Vote Kick” feature when they didn’t like a particular team comp, when they felt like the Captain didn’t ban the appropriate champions, when players played off-meta champions, and sometimes when they felt the opposing team comp was better than theirs. This dramatically increases the amount of time it takes to get through a Champion Select and into the game as many Champion Selects fail out and you have to start over, and then players will complain about it taking 15-20 minutes to actually get through a Champion Select and load into a match. Now to play one game, you need anywhere from 1 hour to 1.5 hours of free time, which was way too high of a time commitment. Secondly, some scenarios with Duo Queues became even more frustrating, because if a Duo Queue group was being negative in Champion Select you still had nothing you could do to resolve it, and the situations felt even worse than before.

Some additional designs would be to give every player only 1 “Vote Kick” per day, but just giving 1 vote to every player increased failed Champion Selects by ~20%, which means that you’re now going through multiple Champion Selects just to get into a game. We also reduced the penalty for queue dodging before, which would make it “less painful” for players to queue dodge if they absolutely had to, but this increased failed Champion Selects by about ~30%, and again players started complaining about failed Champion Selects and taking too long to get into a game.

We think that Team Builder Draft will ultimately solve Champion Select issues better than most other features or systems, so we decided to work on that system first because it also solves a bunch of other problem spaces such as better retention and onboarding for low level players and giving players more control over their Champion Select experience. If Team Builder Draft does not improve Champion Select enough, we have some ideas ready to go such as allowing players to report when someone doesn’t play the position they specified, or allowing players to give us a reason (and specify a player) if they choose to queue dodge.

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Can we have an ETA on Team Builder Draft

Lyte Final PortraitIt’s a major change to the pre-game flow, and a brand new Champion Select, so we want to avoid this big of a disruption in the 2015 Season. We didn’t start too long ago, while we were researching and learning from lessons in Team Builder Classic we were working on a slew of features like Party Rewards (for events like the Pool Party), Suggested Players, LeaverBuster, the machine learning Tribunal and Instant Feedback System and the new Intentional Feeder detection that’s going out in the next patch or two.

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How will Riot encourage players to use the Team Builder

Lyte Final PortraitIf the live beta test goes well (and is similar to our lab tests where we bring players into Riot HQ to try out Team Builder Draft), it might be an option to replace some queues which will funnel players into the new experience. However, in the system itself we’ve introduced the “Fill” position which helps reduce queue times, and we’re requiring players select 2 positions (instead of 1) which also reduces queue times. If we have to, we’re also going to incentivize the high demand positions so you get a small bonus for playing them. We think these 3 things combined should solve the queue time issues nicely.

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Will there be the option to queue for every role in Team Builder

Lyte Final PortraitYou can queue up as “Fill,” which basically covers all positions. It’s a new position we’re introducing with Team Builder Draft.

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Yorick’s rework is still a long ways off… you can bury your hopes again.

 

Why isnt Yorick a top priority for the rework

Scruffy Final PortraitI feel you on this, and agree that he is in dire need of an update. That said, we want to take the time to do him right and he is in early stages of gameplay design, concepting, and lore work.

Don’t expect him to come out before Poppy/Taric (both are much farther along), but do know that we are working on him and we are not gonna put it down until we finish. Yorick can be soooo much more than he is and I hope that you will like the results when he’s finally rebuilt from the ground up.

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Scruffy Final PortraitAfter Xelnath stopped working on yorick we didn’t end up picking it back up until very recently (march ish if I remember correctly, ah you linked it too). We definitely used some of his work as a starting point and have continued iterating from there.

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Poppy’s visual update won’t so much cater to seasoned Poppy players as it will draw in newcomers to the Champion.

 

What can you tell us about Poppys upcoming visual update

IronStylus Final PortraitWell, so good news and bad news:

Good news: Poppy will get a visual update. She’s in the same camp as Sion, Taric, Urgot, etc which will recieve complete overhauls which will not only increase fidelity and introduce a newer and cleaner design, but also will aid in clarify and mechanical expression. We did a lot exploration on Poppy and are happy with what we’ve got. She’s currently in the art production pipeline as her kit has been locked for some time. Now it’s a matter of time and the technical work of getting that new character to live in game.

“Bad” news: Poppy is shipping with a complete kit overhaul which will retain the spirit of Poppy, and utilize some signature abilities, but will probably vary pretty significantly than current Poppy. Think of the same way which we wanted to retain the “feeling” of Sion while keeping virtually nothing of his existing kit. I’e played her, and she’s really, really fun. I think players old and new will find a home with her. I think that’s what’s going to bring her into a place where she’ll be loved by passionate players but also new players alike.

So shipping the visual update probably isn’t going to turn people onto existing, present-day Poppy as much as it will excite people to try what is fundamentally a brand new character which takes what we love about Poppy, amplifies it, and makes her more cohesive. Our goal on ChampUP is to excite enthusiasts, to get at what the real and visceral emotional attachments that bind them to a character and hone them, making that feeling more clear, maybe even stronger. Often that means pretty substantial change, for multiple reasons. Unique identity, clear role and play pattern, character/kit/art cohesion, among other things. A sub-goal is to bring that character up so at the very least new players are aware of the character and can approach it comfortably. To bring that champion back into some rotation even if it’s with a smaller but dedicated slice of players.

The team is very excited about Poppy. I’m happy to have been part of her development and can’t wait for people to get a hold of this take on her. Though things change, the spirit is there I feel.

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Are there any upcoming champion changes that don’t involve VUs

IronStylus Final PortraitThere is a kit change in the works for Shen, with that comes our investigation as to how much visual changes (model, animation, VFX, etc) have to go towards facilitating the gameplay overhaul. We always ask the question about scope. How much scope does this need, and how much do we want it to have? We currently are exploring ideas for a new base design for Shen, but this for the moment remains an exploration. It might be beyond scope lets say to redesign his base. But, if we deem it a substantial opportunity, or something that really needs more art resources to make the new mechanics work, then we’ll scope the project up.

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Even if Riot pick up a fan idea for a skin they wont spoil the surprise

Kindlejack Final PortraitPretty much what I was going to say.

However I can give you more context on how we go about choosing what projects to work on. When we have a meeting to ideate on thematics and champions for skins we always bring up relevant fan concepts and take note of how much player support they have garnered. We never just say ‘This concept got 8k upvotes so let’s make it’ but if an idea is popular it will at least be considered in the spread or used as a starting point for a design. I would say skins team (with people like Whist, Galetta, Nurse Flan and KateyKhaos to name a few) keeps a close eye on fan concepts, not just on the boards but also on the Chinese/Korean/Garena sites. Riot Penguin also takes player requests on the weekends just for fun, but they are often pretty great ideas (Armoured Annie plz).

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Is this your approach for fanmade champion concepts

Kindlejack Final PortraitNo, skins are additive in that we can create one knowing that there will be more in the future. Champions are absolute, once they launch then that’s it. The champion team spend a lot longer crafting a champion and it’s a collaborative effort between art, gameplay and narrative. I’m not on that team though so I can’t give you as much insight.

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Whatre your thoughts on the fan idea for a Firedancer Draven skin

Kindlejack Final PortraitI brought it up when we were working on Pool Party Draven. It was decided that Gladiator Draven already had fire particles and ‘Firedancer’ didn’t fit enough into the ‘Pool Party’ theme. I’ll bring it up again next time there is Draven ideation because I still think it’d be a great fit for him.

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Do limited time skins ever come back

KateyKhaos Final PortraitHiya!

We have both limited and legacy skins.

Legacy skins will periodically come back to the store. Examples of these are Kitty Kat Katarina, or Poro Rider Sejuani. Limited skins are removed once the event is over, and there is no guarantee they’ll return to the store/be made available again. These would include skins such as Rusty Blitzcrank, Championship Riven and Victorious skins (Jarvan, Janna, Elise, Morgana).

You can find the full list of both legacy and limited skins here.

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Hippalus mentioned that Championship Riven may return to the store

KateyKhaos Final PortraitYup! Hippalus did say there’s a possibility. :]

“Yes I think Championship Riven will come back someday. Most limited edition skins took four years to come back after release, and it’s been two years for Riven so far.”

As far as I know, the statement still stands.

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Are World Championship skins classified as Legacy or Limited

KateyKhaos Final PortraitSure! Championship Thresh and Shyvana are legacy, as well as the commemorative Championship team skins, such as SKT, SSW, etc.

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Will we be able to get skins like Silver Kayle or Black Alistar eventually

KateyKhaos Final PortraitHiya!

We deactivated the older skin codes to due 3rd party sites scamming players, claiming they could buy rare skins like PAX TF, when in fact, they were given fake codes, or codes that had already been used.

We informed players in advance that we were doing this, so if they had codes hanging around, they had the opportunity to redeem them before the codes were deactivated. you can check out more information about why we decided to deactivate the codes here.

I agree with Chat97 that there is some uniqueness to having a skin from beta, or even Victorious skins from previous seasons, and selling them now would leave bad sentiments to those who earned them during x event.

I understand the frustration that arises, especially if you’ve joined the game, and don’t have the opportunity to buy/use these skins, however, at this time, we do not have plans to make these rare skins (Silver Kayle, PAX skins, etc.) available for distribution/purchase.

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Fan Art Tristana by Meltedjujubees

You can check out more of Meltedjujubees‘s work HERE.

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Fan Art - Riven by Songoanda

You can find the rest of Songoanda‘s work HERE.

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If you have any questions, feel free to ask me at @NoL_Chefo or e-mail me at nolchefo@gmail.com.

 

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Meddler has confirmed that tank junglers like Zac, Nautilus and Nunu will be receiving buffs in the next few patches; no news yet on whether Rammus and Amumu will receive tweaks. DJ Sona will be discounted to 2450 RP on release, Veigar‘s PBE changes are locked for Patch 5.4, Azir will be receiving compensation for his recent nerfs, IronStylus talks Irelia’s future redesign, new champion has been confirmed to have no knock-up abilities and an opportunity to share a school story about  making friendships through games!

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 Can we have an update on tank junglers

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re aiming to buff a number of tanks in the jungle in patch 5.5 and/or patch 5.6 (5.3’s the current live patch, design work on 5.4’s just finished for context). To start with that’ll involve looking at tanks that are struggling a bit (definitely Zac, potentially Nautilus, Nunu etc).

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Wont buffing Rangers Trailblazer help tanks jungle easier

Riot Axes New PortraitSo, just for some context here, the item sustain has been tuned around jungle goals and not the other way around. That is, taking camps is supposed to cost some of your resources and the items aren’t supposed to be able to shortcut that too much.

We are definitely looking at the jungle items, with Skirmisher’s Sabre and Poacher’s Knife up for fairly significant changes, though maybe not on the same cadence that Meddler mentioned (those changes are targeted more at making sure the whole set ends up in a good place, not specifically at making particular junglers feel good).

We’re also looking at the enchantments – no details right now, but Juggernaut is on our hit list both in final item and build path, with the goal of making it actually work for jungle tanks. There are a few other things in progress right now, and we’ll see where they land.

Tl;dr: Trailblazer itself is unlikely to receive buffs, but we hear you on jungle tanks and we are working on it. We want those champs to feel good to play.

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What about Rammus and Amumu

Meddler Final PortraitRammus and Amumu will both be looked at to see what they need, though potentially as part of a second set (whether in the same patch cycle or a later one) depending on how long work on the first set takes.

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Veigars changes are locked for Patch 5 4

[ Note ] You can check all of Veigar’s changes for Patch 5.4 here.

Meddler Final PortraitThe Veigar changes for 5.4 are locked. Directionally we believe a delay on Veigar’s E is essential to making Veigar healthy (so that we can be happy if he’s strong and popular, rather than definitely having to nerf him if that happens). If that delay does prove to be too long we’ll reduce it, given it’s much harder to shut Veigar’s laning down given the extra range and shorter CD on his Q however that delay’s our best estimate on appropriate for the upcoming patch.

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Azir is currently at 38 winrate Will he be buffed soon

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re working on some Azir buffs at the moment, the recent nerfs hit him harder than intended. It’s very likely, though not guaranteed yet, that those changes will include adding at least some range back onto his W.

Odds are high those buffs will be in the 5.5 patch (5.4’s already locked so we can’t do the next patch, we would like to get these out as soon as feasible though).

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Lunar Revel festivities wind down

The sky lights up as one last round of fireworks explodes, celebrating the end of this year’s Lunar Revel. Legacy content (listed below) heads back into the vault when the festivities end so grab all your favorites by February 23!

  • Dragonblade Riven
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Next champion will not have a knock up

Meddler Final PortraitI would like to take you up on that bet for enormous amounts of money.

Or, to be even blunter about it – no, no knock up on the next champ. Probably none on the next couple of champs either, though that’s not completely certain yet.

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Whatre your ideas for Irelias upcoming redesign

IronStylus Final PortraitA lot of what she’ll be depends a whole hell of a lot on a gameplay overhaul. She’s currently viewed as a larger scope project, but if gameplay is able to ship something first, we might scale back the scope. I don’t think that they have a kit currently however. She’s technically in the “high-opportunity” bucket, but chances are she’d need a whole lot of support from all three disciplines.

Personally, I like to design around story and gameplay. I can work with her being an Ionian general wielding unobtainium soul-blades. That’s cool to build off of. However if we overhaul her narrative aspects, some things might change, but I don’t see her main reads as changing. She’s not going to turn into a magic wand user or anything.

The version I have currently sort of looks like a blend of some internal Ionian exploration we’ve worked on as well as some hints of Yasuo’s armor plates and Karma’s clothing style. I riffed off of Yasuo to give her a fuller set of armor that sort of follows the plating of his armored arm. Sort of like.. what would the military version of that look like, and how does it’s general sensibilities work as a whole costume?

Aside from that, that’s all I really have. It’ll be a good jumping off point for us when the discussion comes around though.

I’m really excited for her whenever we do decide to start pre-production on her!

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How have video games influenced your friendships in school

Riot Sherman505: Over the last couple weeks, I have been working on this NACC recap article. It got me thinking a lot about the friendships I developed playing League in college.

College is a strange time in everyones life. It’s essentially a social reset where you’re left to build a whole new group of friends. During the weeks leading up to my first day of school, I started playing League with a friend’s friend. Since it was the summer, we played a few times a day and really got to know each other. It was about a week before school started that we realized we were going to be attending the same college and would live in the same dormitory.

I missed the official move in date and showed up a few days late after all the freshman orientation activities, so everyone sort of had a leg up on me. Once I met up with him I was introduced to everyone he had already been hanging out with. We all had a common interest in video games, and it wasn’t long until we all played League together for the first time (had to play in the communal laundry room for the best connection).

The people I met in that first week went on to be my roommates for the next four years. We played in some of the first college tournaments and eventually started a League of Legends club at our school. Even now that we have graduated, we still play League together as much as possible.

How has League (or other video games) influenced your friendships in school?

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Experimental new item Mandrake Ward

[ Note ] The Mandrake Ward was added with yesterday’s PBE update.

Xypherous Final PortraitNote: The following item is highly experimental and probably won’t ship any time soon, if at all. All assets are temporary and are absolutely not final.

Hey guys.

I’m putting up some experimental content for exploration.

Mandrake Ward
50G

Click to Consume: Places an invisible blind sentry in a brush for 5 minutes. The plant will ping the map if a visible or invisible enemy enemy is within 900 range.

(Counts as a Stealth Ward)
(May only carry 3 Stealth Wards at a time.)

This is intended to be an early game ward to protect the lane against the jungle without revealing a jungler’s prospective health or directional pathing. It’s also an answer to early game stealth for lane protections now that pinks are fairly woefully inequipped at dealing with the task. There’s some neat tricks (it can sense over walls) that it has currently – but it still needs a ton of iteration to feel usable personally.

Will be doing some polish work over the next couple days trying to get it in a cleaner state – last I checked, I missed a file somewhere and it’s probably super bugged on PBE – also need to think about ping throttling the thing in terms of sounds and motion. Eventually it’ll require a custom ping sound and error handling – but for now, everything is highly temp and experimental.

  1. I’m curious to see whether or not people feel like the item’s purpose is clear.
  2. The item hopefully doesn’t feel like it’s worth a slot end-game and make end-game consumable purchase cycles even worse.

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How often will the ward ping

Xypherous Final PortraitOne ping. Currently it’ll reping if they’re still there in the area after 10 seconds but I’ll probably be adjusting this rule.

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Where does it ping

Xypherous Final PortraitCurrently it pings at where the breach occurs – but given that it’s a mini-map ping, you’re not really going to catch any difference – though you’re right that it should probably ping itself rather than the point location.

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Why is this ward active for 5 minutes and not 3 like regular wards

Xypherous Final PortraitThe initial reasoning that it provides you much less information than a sight ward does.

For example, you don’t get the items of the champion you detected (because you never saw him).
You don’t know the champion’s health status or direction (because the ping is centered on the mandrake).
You’re not sure if he’s passing through or if he’s actually aggressing on the lane.
You’re not even really sure which champion it was – but you can probably do that by process of elimination.

It might be a total mistake to have it at 5 minutes as it feels like an eternity – but that’s another one of the things that I’d want to feel out in testing.

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Wouldnt this kind of item just gut Eve even further

Xypherous Final PortraitYes and no. There’s multiple ways of looking at it.

  1. In a world where Eve is a primary jungler and there are no way of mitigating the effects of her game other than complete passivity – Evelynn will probably never be good.

So you get to a point where either

  1. Eve can’t be a jungler -OR-
  2. There needs to be a way to mitigate the effects of her stealth somehow in order for her to be good.

When you introduce the item to mitigate the effect of long term stealth – for the short term, absolutely it will make her power level holistically lower. However – this is the only possibility space in which Eve could be powerful in the future.

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New 120 AP item on the PBE soon

Ricklessabandon New Portraithello friends~

so, the title pretty much covered this but we’ve got a new ap item hitting the pbe soon! as we mentioned in the 5.2 patch notes, we’ve been spending some time exploring a few different options to add another “late-game mage item” into the game. we’re now at the point where we want to share one of those directions with our pbe testers and see how the item is received with a wider audience. one of the goals of these explorations was to discover something that is especially exciting to a particular mage play style, and as you’ll quickly notice, this item takes the basic actions of moving around the battlefield and repeatedly slinging spells and rewards them by casting its own spell into the fray! we have some initial thoughts on which play styles are in want of something like this, but more importantly we’re interested in seeing what the community does with the new item.

alright, let’s talk about our current timeline! this item should be on the pbe soon (tomorrow if everything checks out okay) but will not be shipping in the 5.4 patch—we’ve still got a bit of testing and number crunching to do on top of getting non-placeholder art and sound. if you’re wondering exactly when this would be shipping, the honest answer is that right now we’re focused more on getting the item into the hands of testers and confirming that we’re happy with this direction than we are about shipping anything by a certain date. the classic “when it’s ready” shipping date, if you will.

with all that out of the way, here are the item stats of the first pbe iteration!

Item 3285 (3100g)

Needlessly Large Rod + Aether Wisp + 650g

  • +120 Ability Power
  • +7% Movement Speed
  • UNIQUE Passive: Gain charges upon moving or casting. At 100 charges, the next spell hit expends all charges to deal 100 (+15% AP) bonus magic damage to up to 4 targets on hit.

Please note that this is a work in progress and that its name, as well as any art or sound assets, is to be considered placeholder.

that should do it for the item’s introduction (i’ll update this post if i forgot something). looking forward to the discussion about the item!

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So this will be essentially Statikk Shiv for mages

Ricklessabandon New Portraitit’s a bit different since one of the triggers is spell casts instead of basic attacks, so the cadence depends more on which champion you’re playing.

i believe the tuning in the first iteration that should hit pbe gives 20 stacks per spell cast, and gives a little bit less from moving than statikk shiv does.

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Dragonslayer Poro Ward in Store

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Rise up against the dragon horde with the Dragonslayer Poro Ward Skin available now until 23:59 PST on February 27 for 640 RP.

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How is Evelynns rework coming along

IronStylus Final PortraitCurrently she’s not. We had a few update concepts back in the day but she just doesn’t have any sort of story direction or explanation of what the hell she is. Until we hammer that out we probably won’t be doing anything with her until then.

I think there’s some good ideas in the Shadow Isles ideas, and heck, I could see her playing into the Darkin thing if we ever build that out. There’s a lot of options, so that’s good. She’s wide open in terms of actually making a character out of.

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Syndras Q E stun combo is really inconsistent

Meddler Final PortraitThe patch that reduced the width of Syndra’s Q+E stun also significantly reduced the radius of the initial check around a sphere that’s been hit to see if there’s a unit there that should be stunned before the sphere starts moving. We’ve got a change on the PBE at present that increases both that radius and the Q+E width as it travels. Assuming that change goes live I believe that will probably help out with the problem you’re seeing – as far as I’m aware Q timing hasn’t been changed at all.

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Why does Xin Zhaos Q knock targets up anymore

Meddler Final PortraitThat’s definitely a bug, not an intended change. I’m 99% sure we’ve got a fix for that in the next patch already, will double check tomorrow though.

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Why hasnt it been hotfixed yet

Meddler Final PortraitHotfixes (making quick changes to the servers without taking them down for a longer maintenance period) have extra risk associated with them. Hotfix changes do get tested extensively, but it’s over a shorter period of time so it’s not completely equal to a full patch cycle of testing. As a result in order to justify the risk involved hotfixes need to be really high value (e.g. X champion is currently disabled because they crash the game) or be at least fairly high value and really low risk (e.g. changing a single number in a text file that corrects a major damage bug). In this particular case Xin Zhao’s Q doesn’t knock up if the target isn’t moving at the time of the third hit. That’s definitely a significant bug, but it’s not crippling him and the fix involves code changes, which are much riskier than just changing data values. As a result (as far as I’m aware, server patches aren’t my area of expertise) we’re not currently planning to hotfix this bug.

In terms of how often we update we’re currently putting out a patch every two weeks generally (major exceptions around things like Worlds, Christmas etc). I can understand your frustration that fixes like this can take a bit of time to come out, that’s the same cadence of patches as in Season 1 back in 2011 though.

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All the Champion Poros

The collection is complete and all Champion Poros for the LAS/LAN and Brazil event have been revealed! You can check the first ones here or in the Imgur album below:



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Mordekaiser will be moving from a nuker into a fighter role with Patch 5.4. Also, Veigar‘s kit will be significantly reworked to introduce more counterplay and buff him up after the removal of DFG. Meddler discusses Kalista’s current state, the scaling on her auto-attack wind up and her damage against objectives with Rend, IronStylus comments on Demacians wearing skintight suits and how Taric’s rework is going. Lastly, some of Syndra’s recent nerfs may be rolled back, most prominently the width of her E stun and an explanation from Xypherous on why Ruby Sightstone is designed to be underwhelming.

 

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Chun Final PortraitHi guys, when we removed DFG in 5.2,we have said we will do some changes towards Mordekaiser . And now let’s talk about it with details.

Currently on live, Mordekaiser is mainly being played as a burst mage and functions debatably ‘well’ in that way. But since DFG is gone, Mordekaiser has run into trouble in the late game because one of his essential play-patterns (blow someone up for a ghost) no longer functions well there.

Right now, we’re looking at Mordekaiser and we think he definitely needs some help there. That said, the “burst mage” play-pattern doesn’t serve well enough both in this champion’s fantasy and the counterplay (or lack of) around it. So we’re aiming to make this big-full-metal guy a fighter/brawler which better fits his fantasy and is more aligned with his shield passive mechanics. We get there are people who liked the whole “Mordekaiser explodes people” play style, but we just can’t keep it balanced and healthy in the current state of the game. Our changes aren’t to shift his damage significantly, but we want him to be thinking about that shield while he’s in the middle of the fight.

High level, our first change is that now Mordekaiser’s shield gain is base on his maximum health instead of damage he deals. By doing this, Mordekaiser will be able to survive long enough to shine on the battle ground with his sustained damage/ghost if he chooses to be tanky. And for enemies, Mordekaiser is no longer a moving short range cannon, but slow metal tank who can be kited. Also Morde’s shield doesn’t decay while in combat (after 5 seconds it begins decaying).

Secondly, Mordekaiser’s burst damage will goes down a bit but, over time, his damage output will be the same or slightly increased. So he will not burst you down but still remain threatening over time.

Third, Mordekaiser’s shield now works the same as Nunu’s bloodboil (cast on an ally, Mordekaiser also gets the shield) and if they run toward each other, they’ll gain a mini speed boost. Think magnets.

Last, Mordekaiser’s ghost will be more intuitive and clear in target selection. So Mordekaiser and his ghost no longer grant whacky stats from each other, but straightforward and intuitive stats: Mordekaiser now will gain health/ap from his ghost’s bonus health and ability power, while Mordekaiser’s stats will help the ghost scale up (but the type of ghost he grabs (ie: Mage / Marksmen / Tank) will have an impact on their performance).

So TL:DR we want to make Mordekaiser more of a brawly-scrappy champion because his current successful play pattern of “explode someone, get a Ghost, roll over the game” is near impossible to tune without hurting some players. This gives us more space to help Mordekaiser succeed while not confusing others as to why a big suit of armor is super squishy and bursty.

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Can you give Mordekaisers ghosts the option to attack move

Chun Final PortraitI believe currently Pets already does what you said about “automatically attacking your current basic attack/single target skill target if they don’t currently have a target.”

But I’m afraid the idea of “make Pets able to attack-move” will provide a lot of hidden power(or unnecessary power) for all the “Pets”, it is important for player to understand how strong the “Pet” is, especially for those guys who play with/against. Unfortunately this Idea is against that.

Right now the minion AI have a problem that after you input any “move” commander they will just “hold” at destination instead of attacking afterwards. I believe this create a lot of frustration and it’s something I’m looking into.

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How drastic are these damage changes Will this affect laning wave clear

Chun Final PortraitThe damage changes will be small, our goal is to reduce his burst potential but remain the prolong threat.

I would say his laning will be approximately the same or slightly weaker and his wave clear will be approximately the same or slightly stronger (in lane).

But late game his wave clear will be weaker mainly because we are not expecting him to build full damage at that point.

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Will his health costs be decreased to compensate for his lowered damage

Chun Final PortraitShort answer, yes!

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SmashGizmo Final PortraitHey guys, SmashGizmo here to talk to you about some changes to the Tiny Master of Evil coming to PBE soon.

A vital part of Veigar’s identity has always been about catching people out and 100-0ing them in the blink of an eye, so when we were looking to remove DFG, Veigar was sitting at the top of the list of characters affected by the removal. When looking at a lot of these characters, we found that the full 100-0 combo wasn’t something we wanted to support and decided to re-focus them around other aspects of their kits (i.e. making Ahri more about her movement than the 1-shot combo). But for Veigar, this approach seemed off. He is the quintessential burst mage and we wanted to find a way to let him continue to function as such in a world without DFG. Enter the Q double-hit.

 

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  • Changed to a skill shot that stops on the second unit hit
  • Grants 1 AP for each unit killed
  • Range increased to 850 from 650
  • Cooldown changed to 7/6.5/6/5.5/5 from 8/7/6/5/4

 

By amping up the AP farming mini-game on his Q, we’re creating a new path for Veigar players to achieve their dream of pressing a single button and watching an enemy disappear. As it turns out though, this worked a bit too well, and pretty early in playtesting, we found that Veigar was reliably deleting people a bit too early in the game, so we had to make some small adjustments to his ult.

 

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  • AP Ratio reduced to 1.0 from 1.2 (Ratio on enemy’s AP unchanged)
  • Mana Cost flattened to 125 at all ranks from 125/175/225
  • Cooldown reduced to 120/100/80 from 130/110/90

 

While 0.2 is a sizeable hit to his Ult’s ratio, I want to stress that Veigar is getting quite a bit more AP from his Q in this version than on live and reassure any worried Veigar players out there that we’re still seeing those beefy 2K+ Primordial Bursts in the late game with this version.

From here, we should move on to talking about Event Horizon and how it fits into the picture. With the current version of Event Horizon, the optimal use is for the Veigar player to place his Event Horizon such that it immediately stuns his opponent. This leads to the ability feeling like a particularly awkward skill shot with almost no dodgability provided to the opponent once the Veigar player masters aiming it. When we took a step back and thought about what the ability was really trying to get at, we saw the ideal Event Horizon being more about trapping your opponent in a cage for Veigar to torment than simply about stunning a dude at 1025 range. In the interest of pushing towards this ideal, we’ve added a delay and warning particle to Event Horizon to encourage Veigar to use it more to trap opponents than to immediately stun them.

 

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  • Has a 0.75 second delay with a warning particle before the walls appear
  • Mana Cost decreased to 80/85/90/95/100 from 80/90/100/110/120
  • Cooldown reduced to 18/17/16/15/14 from 20/19/18/17/16
  • Range increased to 700 from 650

 

This definitely represents a shift in how Veigar uses this ability, but our belief is that this version of the spell is much healthier and leads to more fun interactions between Veigar and his hapless victims. Instead of blowing up a prone target, Veigar traps his prey in a chamber of horrors and shoots Baleful Strikes at them and drops Dark Matters where they have limited space to dodge. Speaking of Dark Matter, meteors are pretty cool and frankly, Veigar doesn’t get to drop quite enough of them on people’s heads.

 

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  • Mana Cost reduced to 70/75/80/85/90 from 70/80/90/100/110
  • Cooldown reduced to 10/9.5/9/8.5/8 from 10 at all ranks

 

And with that, we’ve hit the full set of Veigar changes that are about to hit a PBE near you.

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How would you go about nerfing Kalista

Meddler Final PortraitWhat we’re currently looking is reducing the amount her attack wind ups get faster when she gets attack speed.

When champions get attack speed they both make more attacks per second and each individual attack takes less time to perform. In Kalista’s case that means she’s spending less time in her attack windup and so she gets to dash more often/doesn’t spend as much time preparing to dash. Attack speed’s making her more mobile than we think’s appropriate, so we’re going to adjust that.

As per usual we’ll then see what sort of spot she lands in after that change, assess whether other changes are appropriate too or not.

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Kalistas problem is that her Rend outscales Smite at any point in the game

Meddler Final PortraitWe’re confident that the amount of extra mobility Kalista gets from attack speed is a problem, so we’re addressing that, given how effective she can be against some melee champions especially. Regardless of what changes it might or might not be appropriate to make to her E we believe this change is a good one.

As far as her E and Smite go creating an ADC with really strong objective control if she can spend a decent chunk of time attacking a target was something we wanted to try out with Kalista. Various other ADCs are great for objective control too, they do it by helping you kill baron or dragon really fast though (think Vayne or Kog for example). We wanted to offer objective strength in a different way and Kalista’s certainly doing that. Whether she’s too effective in that role, in terms of forcing the enemy to deal with her rather than trying for a last minute steal, is a great question. It’s certainly possible her E might need to be capped against monsters, we’re not sure if that’s the appropriate call at this point though and would like to avoid homogenizing champions if there are healthy ways to avoid doing so.

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Why are most Demcian champions in skintight bodysuits

IronStylus Final PortraitYeah, we’ve done that a lot. So much so that as ChampUP goes and explores what we’ve done in the past we’re noticing the same trends. Some of these characters are/will-be up for updates so I’m definitely looking for alternatives. I mean, where it fits it fits.. (HAH! PUN!).. but sometimes the costume doesn’t warrant literally being the same skin tight material every time.

I’d be interested in hearing your thoughts or seeing references as to what might be interesting solutions for these characters if we do eve depart from tight-onesies.

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I think agile champions like Fiora and Vayne should be in tight clothing

IronStylus Final PortraitAgreed. Agility = form-fitting. However it doesn’t necessarily mean a vinyl body suit. I think that’s the issue. Cool, they gotta be fast, form fitting is great, but even Trinity and Byonetta have some style in how they do that.

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Body suits are probably a bigger problem than skin tight clothes

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A reference for Demacian attire by the thread’s author, A Superb Villain.

IronStylus Final PortraitYeah I agree that “skin-tight” isn’t as much of a problem as “body-suits”. You can have some really classy skin-tight stuff especially in high fashion, which I think strikes me as a fun place for Demacian casual-wear to be. I think that it’s definitely a place to bring sort of a very East Coast runway sorta vibe. That with treating it with the right motifs can give it a cool fantasy read with a slight modern spin.

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 How is development on Taric going

IronStylus Final PortraitSlowly, from the art side at least. We’ve been working on a few thing that will come before Taric and are deep in production or have high-priority in pre-production for various reasons. Currently, and Scruffy can probably speak better to this, but his new kit looks like it’s shaping up nicely. For us on the art side, that’s huge. We can have much more narrow of a focus now that we know specific actions a champion will take and how we build the character around those actions.

Currently Narrative is helping us on high-priority stuff that’s in pre-production. They sort of occupy the same area that Concept does because they help formulate the very core of the character. We think that Taric will be a big discussion in the “near future”. Sorry that’s so ambiguous.

That said, we have about 30 concepts of Taric from various artists. This however was done in a bit of a vacuum, back when we were moving in a direction that we really hadn’t validated properly, a very much straight-forward dude in blue armor and gems. Since then, the casual discussions around him between art, gameplay and narrative aspects are aligning around something with a slightly different flavor than what we had originally anticipated, and that’s good. When the official ideation sessions strike up again I think we’ll have a good spring board. Narrative helps tremendously in those discussions because we want to understand what made Taric into Taric and what his current pillars of design are.

Likewise, having gameplay in place really helps as well because we’re not designing in a vacuum, we’re working towards the goals of fulfilling the needs of that gameplay.

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Syndra was overnerfed and some of those nerfs should be rolled back

Meddler Final PortraitAgreed, she was hit harder than intended in a way that’s left her E feeling like it sometimes misses when it’s expected to hit. We’re increasing the width on Syndra’s stun in 5.4 (and to a greater extent than it was increased in 5.2). It’s not going to be as wide as pre 5.1, which was unfairly wide, but should more consistently hit when it looks like it did.

After that change, which is both a feel and a power one, we’ll look at where her balance stands, see if it’s appropriate to do more.

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Ruby Sightstone should recharge wards over time not just on the fountain

Xypherous Final PortraitThere’s a (fairly unpopular, admittedly) reason why Ruby Sightstone is such an underwhelming upgrade.

We want you to get cooler items rather than feel like you have to dump yet ANOTHER 800 gold into vision on top of the 800 you already have sunk into it.

Linearly upgrading Ruby Sightstone to improve your vision capabilities strips out a lot of customization you could have on your own character for items that are unique or special for your role.

There’s an end-game slot inefficiency thing that needs to be solved absolutely that does come up (more often as game length goes up) but the main reason why Ruby is underwhelming is by intent – it absolutely sucks to be forced into delaying your build by having to purchase 3k of ‘required’ items to function in your role while you have a limited income stream to begin with.

(Highly efficient upgrades here makes it more likely that it’ll be main on another type of character – but that’s secondary to this particular discussion.)

We limit the total amount of gold you can invest into vision pretty heavily to force you into buying items that do things for your character and force the vision investment to be distributed more evenly across the team.

I get that some people want the option of heavily investing into vision – if this were possible without becoming mandatory, we would do so – but unfortunately – the optimal way to play when someone can invest all their income into vision is to force that character to invest all their income into vision – depriving most other possibilities in terms of purchases.

Essentially, if you ever feel like you have to upgrade Ruby Sightstone, that’s another mandatory expense that we’re basically forcing support players to pay over all the other items that would make their own character function better.

Still want to solve the end game slot capacity thing as that’ll come up more and more though. I get your frustration here in that it’s underwhelming – but it’s serving the primary intent of ‘it’s the last thing you buy so you don’t feel bad about having a sub <1k gold item in your inventory’ and not choking out all the other more fun choices you have.

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So why not change the item so it becomes a viable upgrade

Xypherous Final PortraitYou run into poaching from other classes – namely the Jungler in this case. You basically have to do something extremely hacking – but if the incentive is to then rush it to get the best possible gold income – you’ve basically recreated the same problem – forcing supports to complete it in the lieu of anything else.

Essentially – there’s is no incentive to purchase it because we don’t want you to even think about upgrading it at any point that is not the late late late late game when you’ve already purchased everything else you could possibly think of purchasing. Spend your money on things that make your character work.

(Poaching – Roughly used here as ‘They’ll take the item intended for someone else and use it better than the original.)

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Will we learn more of Diana and Leona s past

IronStylus Final PortraitHeh.. funny thing is I was talking to Ant about this today. (in a passing way, not committing anything, just brain-jamming)

I think it’s pretty agreed-upon that Targon in general is a ripe place for development. It’s one of our least defined areas and I feel that’s a benefit. We have some indication, a shell or a foundation. We have some good characters to build on, and even better, we have the opportunity to do really cool things with them in time!

I have high hopes 🙂

Like Ant said though, nothing is hammered out especially where delivery is concerned. That said, I’m excited about the possibilities the future holds. I’m also really excited about working with guys like Ant (who’ve helped us on the ChampUP side of things a lot recently) that are really talented and really just great to kick ideas around with.

When in place Gameplay, Narrative and Art can do some really amazing things. I hope we can indeed progress the story of these two ladies, and also build a world around them that feels solid and unique. A world that builds on what our characters are, but also corrects inconsistencies of the past. I think that’s key.

Team Diana did a lot of good stuff back in the day. Now it’s time to go back and flesh things out and make a good foundation for deep stories to be told.

Sun and Moon, the best tales are yet to be told.

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More Leaks for DJ Sona

Following the recently-shown audio clips for DJ Sona, a Chinese website has leaked several splash arts for all of Sona’s stances. You can also find a short clip on the site.

 

Riot have also released the full-length music pieces for DJ Sona. [ Concussive ] [ Ethereal ] [ Kinetic ]




To iterate, you can change between Sona’s music with /toggle in-game at any time, the songs are NOT bound to her different spells.

The music and Sona’s model automatically updates when you level up your ultimate. You change both her model and the music she plays by toggling her stances.


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When we changed Nidalee’s “Hunt” passive to apply to jungle monsters, we also made it so that hunted monsters would be rooted for 2 seconds when debuffed. This was to prevent those frustrating situations when Nidalee would spear a monster over a wall only to have it run out of Pounce range trying to get her. This was included with Nidalee’s 5.2 changes, we just forgot to document this one. Sorry!

[ QUIT RUNNING I’M TRYING TO HUNT ] Hunted’ monsters are also rooted for 2 seconds after being debuffed so that Nidalee can actually get in range to Pounce on them. This change was included in 5.2, we just forgot to document it. Sorry!


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Will Kassadin receive an update to his model and textures not just effects

IronStylus Final PortraitHere’s how I see things:

We have plans and opportunities.

The plans include a lot of the known big updates, the Visual & Gameplay Updates (VGU’s) which are planned out usually super far as they need a lot of planning for execution. The projects can take months to do (maybe a year). They’re heavily comprehensive. They’re often used for the worst offenders in our game, often characters that need complete gameplay, art and thematic rebuilding, sometimes one of those aspects, sometimes all. The Sions, Tarics, etc. We slot and fantasy slot these far in advance.

The opportunities include lower scope Model & Texture Updates (MTU’s) which aren’t planned quite as far out, and are usually jumped on when we see an open slot, or a new gameplay update has been cracked, or we have the ability to borrow art resources from another team. Also when they’re themeatically “safe”. Nasus was done in this way. The legendary skin enabled his VU. These MTU’s are usually built on what we have, existing rig, tweaked animations, etc. The reason being is that if we made them as high scope as full large-scope projects, you wouldn’t see them for a year or more. We simply can’t accomodate doing 8 Sions a year.

While yes, a lot of these champions could benefit from complete tear-downs, we have great opportunities that present themselves. In Kassadin’s situation, Tokkelossie, being a big Kassadin fan, had made a completely new model on his own time. So boom, we had a start. Additionally, we started working with an outsourcer that has proven really, REALLY effective in making quality models, and we’ve begun to leverage them on skins, especially existing skins for VU’s. The fast ramp-up can be attributed to having the existing new base model, some work the skins team had been doing, his VFX being in a good place, and a 3D external partner able to handle both reconcepting and remodelling the existing skins allowed us to jump on this.

Would it be nice to burn everything down and rebuilt it from scratch? Sure, if we can do that in an optimal time. We could knock down the house, re-pour the foundation, build a new frame, etc. But sometimes, because the opportunity to save time and resources is there, we build on top of a workable foundation with the frame intact.

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How long will we have to wait for Kassadin to be updated

IronStylus Final PortraitWeeks to months rather than months to years 😛

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Will Kassadins update include a new voice-over

C3Sound New PortraitHey Siachi!

A lot of time goes into writing the backstory, bio, script, the in-game text, recording the VO, editing, processing, localizing, casting and recording in 15+ languages around the world…

If we were to do this with every champion we wanted, we wouldn’t be putting out a new update but once every so often. So while we take our larger projects through this longer pipeline, we cant take every project champion update chooses to touch through the process.

That said, we arent ruling out VO for future projects just yet. We are deliberating what can take the longer road for the upcoming year.

Thanks!

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IronStylus Final PortraitRight now, with the current outlook, Kassadin VO wouldn’t be in scope with what we’re planning. It’s of course a nice-to-have, but right now the bandwidth we have is mainly in the modelling department. Given the current constraints we feel what we’re planning will add value in a time frame that won’t leave players hanging for a year.

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Any progress on Evelynns update

IronStylus Final PortraitNo idea. This is a tough one and will need probably the same amount of pre-production time as Sion, if not more.

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Will Taric be updated this year

Repertoir New PortraitTaric is pretty far along in the gameplay design process already. He’s my other current project, along with Ryze.

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How is Poppys rework coming along

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Are you considering updating ChoGath

IronStylus Final PortraitCho’gath is pretty massive in scope. Currently he’s someone we’d like to fantasy slot, but it’ll be entirely dependent on technical resources that are allocated to the team. Right now there’s not enough animation bandwidth to do what we’d really want to do. That said, we may try experimenting with him on the Battlecast rig which might allow us to speed up development, that’s not an immeidate priority right now but it’s one I’d personally like to see us take on sooner than later.

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What will be the scale of Ryzes update

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Ahris recent PBE nerfs dont solve her core problems

Phreak New PortraitThis is all built around the assumption that “her core weakness is that she can be ganked pre-6”

I’m sorry, but that’s ludicrous. She used to be easier to gank pre-6, and now it’s a bit harder. Ok, so that changed a little bit. So what?

Here’s the thing: Ahri didn’t have a real weakness. If the only weakness you can point out is, “Well, for 6 minutes you could kill her, but for the other 35 she could do whatever she wanted” that’s stupid. That’s not good design, that’s not healthy, that’s not anything good. For what it’s worth, a lot of the reason LeBlanc is frustrating is because of this – She just sort of does whatever she wants all game and you just have to deal with it.

You also mentioned “ruining her build diversity.” It’s not mentioned anywhere outside the intro. So I’m really not sure where that point’s headed.

And Ahri already IS squishy. She’s one of the frailest champions in the game. Even Annie has an Armor/MR shield. Cassiopeia builds fairly tanky with (RoA/Seraph + Rylai’s). The point of the changes is to actually EXPOSE the squishiness. Her W puts her in Equilibrium Strike range. GOOD.

See, here’s the thing about Ahri now. She’s really mobile. She has medium-speed medium-range skillshots. She also has non-skillshots with very short range. You know what’s cool about that? She can skirt around medium range poking with skillshots. She can also use her high mobility to get into close range and put herself at actual risk to land her reliable damage. Sounds like an actual weakness! She’s in range of Equilibrium Strike if she wants to do more than poke. And then skillfully use her movement speed buffs and dashes (with long cooldowns after) in order to succeed.

Sounds a hell of a lot better than, “Well, now it’s after 6 minutes, her core weakness is gone.”

Also, increasing the mana cost of Q DOES affect her early game: If she can’t simply spam Q on cooldown for immense sustain and easy wave clear, she’s going to have less overall sustain and forced to walk into autoattack range to last hit more often.

Ultimately, it’s always tricky dealing with reworks, either small- or large-scale. I’d consider Ahri’s total changes now a small-scale rework. Ahri now:

  • Is much more mobile than before. She’s arguably the most mobile mage in the game who can’t dash over walls before level 6.
  • Has a medium-range poke pattern as well as a short-range all-in pattern that uses multiple rotations of spells (as opposed to Fizz just REQW’ing you, Ahri Q-R-E-W-R-Q-W-R-W) supported by a lot of mobility to keep her in the fight (as opposed to something like Jax who just tanks you until he gets multiple ulti hits)

Ahri no longer: * Hits you with her entire kit from out of your counter-attack range and then dashes away

And of course, any time a champion “no longer” does something, everyone who’s attached to it gets really scared, because a specific thing their champion used to do doesn’t exist any more. But really, Ahri shouldn’t be hitting you with non-skillshots while dodging everything you ever do. If she’s hitting you with non-skillshots, you should be able to hit her back. Ahri’s power is in getting to choose when those windows are. That’s always been the core power of Ahri: Her ability to choose those windows and if she chose wrong, say “Oh crap” and burn her other two Rs backwards.

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New champions have mechanics that Riot has been against

Morello Final PortraitAdditionally, we said we’d never do a healer. Instead, “what will it take to do a healer” was the better question.

I’ll say it straight. You guys were right on some of this stuff and helped us understand our limitations we’d created. It’s a hard ship to turn, but I’m glad we are doing it.

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Meddler Final PortraitA big +1 to this from me. We’ve been pushing on some particular things for new champions as you’ve mentioned and player feedback calling out where we should improve/where our past releases have sometimes fallen short of the mark’s been enormously valuable.

Also wanted to say thanks for the thread. Discussion can get pretty focused on what’s problematic at times, and while that’s really useful to hear it’s also very helpful to cover the what’s going well side of things sometimes too.

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Have you considered an isolation mechanic that prevents pings

Morello Final PortraitWe have, but think this is overcame by third-party voice and chat programs. Since that can eliminate the certainty that the character is “silenced,” we’ve avoided that one.

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Will there ever be an Invoker type champion in League

Morello Final PortraitIt’s less of a rule than a lack of perceived value outside of “cool” in this case.

For these champions, even being more unique, they have a purpose and goal around HOW they evolve the game. If we get to the point on that for an Invoker-style champ, we’d consider it, but not for its own sake.

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Why isnt the damage on Nautiluss W instant

Meddler Final PortraitThe intent behind Nautilus’ damage on W being split between the initial impact and a follow up DoT is to make getting some attack speed rewarding, but not mandatory (e.g. if Wit’s End is in a spot where it’s considered a useful item to pick up on some champs it should be worth considering on Nautilus, without being a ‘get this or fail’ item).

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Given that AS items are popular can his W be made to burst

Meddler Final PortraitThat’d be an option if looking to buff Nautilus certainly. He’s one of the junglers the live balance team are currently tracking to see if they’re too weak given the jungle changes. Main question to ask would be whether there are better places to put power on him instead if he needs it – which buffs address where he needs power, when, leave build options open where possible, give him a distinct niche as a tank etc.

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Does Champion size change abilities or stats

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Doesnt it change your Auto Attack Range

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Have you settled on a direction for Evelynns VU

IronStylus Final PortraitMy hunch is to go more into the.. um.. well.. sorta hybrid succubus, seductive vampire-like sorta thing. I would make her a literal vampire, but I feel she needs that shadowy, creature of the night feel. I’ll say right up front that I’m not a fan of the BDSM look, I also think that’s kind of a misnomer because it’s hard to simplify a sexual affinity into like.. a single look. Don’t get me started on 50 Shades of Grey. puts gun in mouth

All that said, the other full time concept artist on the ChampUP team, Lonewingy (concept artist for Nami & her skins, Azir, and part of the Rek’Sai team also) is focusing on Eve. I leave it to her discretion because shes a better everything than I am.

Again, we’re still really early on in development, so there’s still no solid direction.

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Why can the enemy see RekSais tunnels in the fog of war

Meddler Final PortraitIntent is that the tunnels are visible through fog of war once you’ve seen them once. Goal there is to make it possible to hide tunnels for future use while also ensuring enemies are able to track tunnel locations once they’ve discovered them.

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Can you improve the clarity of her tunnels

Meddler Final PortraitTeam specific mini map colors for tunnels will be in by the time she launches, we’re just sorting out a few code issues with that at the moment.

As far as the tunnels themselves go there are team indicators on them (color of mist emerging from them). I get the impression from your post those are too hard to read at the moment though?

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When will Ao Shin be released

Meddler Final PortraitTLDR: Ao Shin someday, won’t be soon.

Slightly longer version: We spent a bunch of time working on Ao Shin but ultimately concluded he wasn’t hitting the mark so put him on hold for a while in order to figure some things out. We still think his concept’s really cool, as is some of the stuff we were trying with him, so do intend to make him someday. Don’t expect to see him anytime soon though, we’d rather be slow, but do a better job of delivering on his potential, than quick

That’s a process some other champs have also gone through (Lee Sin, Elise and Azir for example), where it took a few different takes to hit on what we felt was the right one (Lee Sin originally as Blind Monk way back pre launch, Elise originally as Priscilla the Spider Queen, Azir originally as Seth the sand mage), ultimately yielding better champs in the long run we feel.

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Is it likely that his name wont be Ao Shin on release

Meddler Final PortraitHis name’s certainly something we’d want to talk about, assess whether ‘Ao Shin’ is still a good fit for the final version of him we get to. Can’t offer you any thoughts on likelihood of that though at the moment, it’s not something we’ve looked at yet.

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Is the Institute of War gone from the rebooted lore

Jaredan Final PortraitHiya Giggle, I hope I can add at least a little clarity:

The Institute of War is no longer in the story world. Champions who are inextricably tied into the IoW as a core part of their motivation will be receiving changes. Champions who have some mention of the IoW will be receiving relatively minor edits. Summoners are not what they were as their prime interaction with the story was through the IoW. That does not mean that the concept of Summoners will never be seen again within the story world, they just won’t be taking the same role as previously. So nope, Summoners are not deleted from Runeterra.

I can understand the confusion. We want to reveal things through the course of Runeterra’s story rather than through mainly biographical content or by outlining plot points that would undercut stories when they are released. Also, frankly, there are things we just want to explore more and hone until we think they meet our increasingly stringent measure of quality. In other words, we’re making a lot of changes to level up our storytelling and to get more stories to you.

Since September, we’ve released story content pertaining to the Shurima event, Azir and Xerath, The Harrowing, Kalista and Rek’Sai. We’ve learned lessons from all of them and we’re attempting to deliver stories with more regularity and consistency through the end of the year and 2015. We have a couple of technical challenges, and we’re working to ensure an increasingly high quality bar, which means sometimes we just look at a story and decide we need to work on it more before it can go to players.

We’ve got a lot to do, and I know the “we’re working on it” posts can be infuriating as I’m not able to provide all of the details that are requested for an array of reasons.

FInally, Jax is cool anytime, anywhere.

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Issues with the new lore that havent been solved

> We’ve got a lot to do, and I know the “we’re working on it” posts can be infuriating as I’m not able to provide all of the details that are requested for an array of reasons.

All due respect, the anger stems from a lot more than just “we’re working on it” posts. It’s that you say you’re working on things, but we’re not seeing the results we should be expecting.

• Of all the short lores posted on the PBE (Shurima and Shadow Isles), we’ve seen two full ones (Azir and Xerath, and only after much pressure) and one reverted (Maokai). We’re still waiting for the other 14 (Amumu, Rammus, Skarner, Ezreal, Cassiopeia, Renekton, Nasus, Karthus, Mordekaiser, Thresh, Evelynn, Elise, Hecarim and Yorick). Are these stories ready for release or are you lot still “working on it/them?”

• Of the new champs and reworks, we’ve seen Kalista (possibly under duress) and Sion (a mistake by someone).

• Singed, a champ whose story has been broken since the first Soraka rework (September 2012), was only just acknowledged as a “problem” very recently. Yet, we see no foreseeable progress from Riot/Narrative in fixing his story after 26 months.

I’m sorry for any “snarkiness” found in this reply, but how can we trust you guys when you “say” that you’re working on things when we’re not seeing any progress on this and the myriad of other issues Narrative needs to deal with?

 

Jaredan Final PortraitWe still haven’t got the tech issue sorted. Kalista came out on the boards because we couldn’t get her story out in the way we wanted, but putting those stories out on the boards just isn’t ideal so we don’t want to do it for all of them. We put the stories out because it’s what we desperately want to do. We’re not being forced to do it against our will, which would be odd.

 

The stories for the Champions you outline are at various stages of completion. Some are done, some are in final revision stages (mostly heading into tech edits), some are being rewritten. All of them have had initial treatments that have either moved forward or haven’t yet met targets for quality.

After we’ve released stories for Shuriman and Shadow Isles Champs, we’ll be looking at stories for Champions not tied to any specific faction, particularly for Champions who are currently inextricably tied to the IoW. Other Champs who have contradiction issues will be given attention also.

If you’ve been paying close attention to recent events, you’ll have a good idea of where we’ll be going next in regard to the next larger story in Runeterra—which we’re also currently working on.

We want you to share your ideas on what you would like to see from Champions who will fall into the areas I’ve outlined, and we’d love to read and join in discussion wherever possible, but I have to be honest: if the main thrust of the ideas are tied to the IoW then it’s very difficult for me, or other members of Narrative, to engage with them. We’ve outlined where we are headed and we’re committed to developing Runeterra as a story world in the way we’ve laid out.

Also, we are not going to be giving you early breakdowns of stories before we tell them as that would defeat much of the purpose of the stories themselves.

You and I in isolation, as well as members of the Story and Art community and Narrative, have disagreed on some of the changes made this year, and I’m sure we will have differences of opinion on some of the stories we tell in the years ahead. I’m trying to be as open as I can be, while being responsible to the work being done.

Until we are releasing stories at the pace and quality that the community is looking for, and that we are working towards, we will have recurring discussions on the issue that can become more annoying because it’s hard to give you different answers to ones that have already been provided. The stories will be the answers, the details and the points to discuss, and until we have a large enough number of them it’s difficult not to feel like a broken record. That’s completely our responsibility and one I take very personally. We have started on that journey, but we have a long way to go.

I know you’ve heard this before, but it’s honestly where Narrative as a team is currently, and it’s all I’m able to divulge right now. We’re evolving our team, our processes, our means of delivering stories in different media all in order to get more, better stories to you.

Whenever I’m able to give concrete answers, I will, but I hope the frustrations of a lack of specificity will diminish mainly due to compelling stories.

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How should Taric be updated

IronStylus Final PortraitHello again (again).

So something interesting came up in this thread:

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/HALQfHsu-marvelous-portrait-of-taric-on-surfer-singeds-updated-textures

 

Namely, a discussion around hair. Yes. Hair.

 

 

Bur seriously, there’s a thought swimming in my head about slanting Taric a little more “modern”. Even the term “metrosexual” came up, mainly referring to a well-kempt, good looking gentleman that’s fashionable and, for lack of a better term, “modern”. Some of my explorations lean this way. I’ll emphasize explorations as this is super early concept stuff.

In part II of this discussion…

http://boards.na.leagueoflegends.com/en/c/story-art/a7ulBkBM-so-what-do-you-guys-wanna-do-with-taric-part-ii-pics-or-it-didnt-happen

..we talked about visual reference, asking what people were looking for in our favorite gem knight. A lot of fancy paladin art came up, sort of standard fantasy fair. The traditional suit of armor that’s nicely ornamented and beautiful. But, it begs a question. What can separate Taric out from a standard paladin? One idea that’s been floated in giving him that “modern” twist I mentioned. What does this mean? Well, it can mean a lot of things. One thing is his hair. Hair often can define modernity and current fashion trends. The way I perceive it is that the poof that Taric sorta has now dates him quite a bit. The suggestion was made to give him more of a modern cut, and therefore, give him more relatable, and current, style.

I’m wondering that maybe we don’t stop there. Maybe we push him to feel “modern” and fashionable all over. I’m not talking about futuristic, or runway high-fashion, but I’m wondering if it’d be a valuable exercise to ask for ideas about what people think a “Modern Paladin” could look like. Maybe supply some images that stress Taric’s beauty and charm, but also set him apart from sword-and-sorcery fantasy. Not that that sort of fantasy is bad, but I’m looking to see what sort of spin we might be able to put on Taric that isn’t just an armor set. I think exploring fashion, modern trends, and more contemporary looks might yield some results.

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Are you delaying Azir because his Shurima story isn’t over

sixtwo Final PortraitHey guys, not sure where the quote comes from, but Azir isn’t out yet because he’s not done – bug fixes are being checked in around me as I type this. Now carry on!

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Baconhawk Final PortraitI was not clear in stating Azir is not available yet because of “reasons” (he is getting bugfixes). I did not mean to insinuate we are waiting for a lore story part 2… just to give some sort of hope and looking forward. My wording was ****.

I’ll try to be more clear next time. Let me know if you have any more questions.

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He shows up in Champ list but is unavailable for purchase

Baconhawk Final PortraitThis is because he was shipped in the patch but not switched on. This is normal.

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Can’t you give us detail on issues or at least a timeline

Baconhawk Final PortraitI totally understand. Unfortunately, we’ve gotten really burned when trying to give you guys dates on when x will come out (or if it even will at all, RIP Magma Chamber, so say we all), so to save us all the the heartache, its best if we just get him ready and unlock him when he’s finished.

 


You DO know there’s a champ coming. There was a time before PBE when surrender@20 and other sites wouldn’t be able to do all these great screencaps and preview videos, and set the hype stage for champs, skins, game modes, etc. We have a lot to deliver and we’d like to make sure it’s ready before we say YES IT IS GOING OUT ON THIS DATE and then what happens when we get an Azir and he ends up with some last minute bugs that just absolutely cannot ship? We look bad, you’re upset, we’re upset, and no one wins. The expectation is that we will release everything perfectly, meet everyone’s expectations 100%, release on time AND let you know ahead of time when that is. IN A PERFECT WORLD!

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What are the exact goals for the fighter rework

Ghostcrawler New PortraitThe goals are to agree on what is the strategic identity – the strengths and weaknesses – of melee champs, as well as figure out how many categories of melee we actually have (e.g. Is a bruiser different from a diver? What is a melee carry?)

The list of champs that we’d want to adjust to meet these goals is beyond the scope of a forum post. Generally those who are largely balls of stats with limited counterplay or those who seem mirror images of other melee are the ones most in need.

We haven’t decided yet on the future of red buff. As a general guideline, I think we do throw around movement speed debuffs too readily.

It’s okay for someone to have good or weak laning, within reason, as long as there are trade-offs elsewhere. Our general concern about melee is they don’t have any trait to offset their lack of range. The two characteristics that we have tried (hard to kill or eats your face if they manage to close) have been problematic. The former erodes a niche for true tanks and the latter makes the counterplay pretty binary, as well as making melee on melee engagements slow slugfests.

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How would you define a “tank” in League

Ghostcrawler New PortraitA common thread we’ve found with tanks is that they are good at initiating. The problem is that the word “tank” also carries a strong connotation from other games that they have a ton of survivability as well. If we renamed the role it would be easier to define, but we’re not sure players would react well to redefining a whole lot of roles in the game (as I mentioned for fighters above).

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Why don’t you name the Fighters you plan to rework

Ghostcrawler New PortraitNot sure I agree with that.  Even stating that we think a champ is overtuned feels like a mic drop without a lot of context. The other challenge is that when we mention we want to work on something (like say a fighter rework) and then it takes a lot longer than expected, players get frustrated and want even more context for the delay. Believe me, my inclination is to be as honest and open as possible. If we can earn enough trust with the community that changes we mention will eventually come to pass, I’d love to be able to talk more about long-term plans.

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Can we have specific information on the Fighter reworks

Ghostcrawler New PortraitIt’s just a big project that touches a whole lot of champions. At our current cadence for gameplay updates, it would take a long time to reach them all. In the meantime, if we introduce say counterplay for one fighter and not another, then the second one becomes overpowered in the interim. It’s not just fighters either. If we decide that we offer too many slows, then a lot of ranged champs would need to be touched as well. This is the kind of thing we’d love to be able to hit with some sweeping changes all at once, but we’re still working out how that could be possible.

I’ll talk to Morello and some of the other designers. Maybe we can put together a dev blog that explains our current thoughts so long as we can provide sufficient caveats that we haven’t ironed out all the details yet and would welcome plenty of feedback before those thoughts turned into patch notes.

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Chat Restrictions shouldn’t be extended if you’re neutral

Lyte Final PortraitCompletely agree. We recently tuned the system to try to be more accurate up front, but it’s clear we might be up to ~20 games off still in some cases.

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Lyte Final PortraitAt the end of the day, are you a neutral player, or a negative one? If you’re still negative, your account will continue to get chat restrictions.

Have you actually reformed after going ~50 games in silence? The answer is probably no. Even how you communicate with others here on the forums shows that your behaviors really haven’t changed.

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Lyte Final PortraitThe idea that the system expects toxic players to be “positive” is a misunderstanding. If a player is “neutral,” their account will eventually be clean of any penalties or punishments.

The actual problem with the system is with situations like these, where the system should have probably just given the player 78 chat restrictions right off the bat; however, that’s a tuning problem that we’ll need to continuously work on to get right.

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Why texture rebalances seem less detailed

IronStylus Final PortraitGotta remember that detail frequency often works against us. Excessive detail, especially detail that is highly contrasted against it’s adjacent material leads to “flickering” and “buzzing.”

That a) hurts they eye, b) generally feels low quality, c) doesn’t fit in with our changing style.

While it can be sometimes confused with feature removal, it results in a cleaner asset, it’s for the overall health and quality of the game.

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What are some of the more known Rioters working on

FeralPony Final PortraitSure, no real spoilers here (sorry) but CertainlyT is still working on Champions. From what little I’ve seen the next one he’s working on looks pretty awesome. Xypherous and myself are working on “Systems” which is primarily working on the next pre-season patch change with a number of other folks.

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Everyone’s favourite parrot IronStylus comments on the size of the Champion Update team and what the requirements for working at Riot are, Rioters address the issue of queue-dodging in ARAM instead of rerolling and ARAM-only accounts, Lead Champion Designer Meddler explains the thought process behind the latest PBE changes to Varus, Nome addresses the buggy state of the Death Recap screen, an explanation of the steep cost to move to the NA East Coast realm and news on upcoming nerfs to Heal and changes to Exhaust on the PBE.

 

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The Champion Update team should be bigger

IronStylus New PortraitWelp! I’ll never turn down more awesome people to work with in order to up cadence!

So, if you know anyone who’s a:

 

  • Concept artist who has top tier drawing and painting skills with the ability to design and render characters for our in-game environment.
  • 3D artist who is prolific in Zbrush and Maya who can expertly model, retopo and hand paint textures.
  • Animator who specializes in hand-keyed animation which is targeted from the top down 3/4’s view.
  • Technical artist who is proficient in rigging/skinning.
  • VFX artist who can hand-paint their own textures/assets and implement them clearly keeping in mind timing and graphic readability.

..then let me know 

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Do they have to know how to do all of those things

Meddler New PortraitNo, each of those is a separate set of requirements.

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So you’re not hiring people because the requirements are too specific

IronStylus New PortraitNo, we hire the people who are right. We’re certain hiring, just head over to the jobs page. All the positions I’ve listed are available. The requirements we put down are industry standard. Maybe the only exception is hand-painted texturing ability and hand-keyed animation. Those are genre and sometimes company specific. 

Not sure what “advertise” means, but we go to a lot of conventions, conferences, schools, etc. We’re always looking to recruit. 

You can indeed train people, but the skill sets I’ve listed are minimum requirements for pretty much any industry job. Also, it’s best to have people who already have a great start than to train up someone from nothing. Just throwing more bodies at the project helps no one.

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These skills are hard to learn at school or even trade programs

IronStylus New PortraitIt can be difficult to get a straight answer in school as to what skills (technical and personal) one needs to know to get into the industry. That’s why it’s super important to look at specific companies and what they specifically need in order to tailor your education. Part of learning is knowing what you want. Sometimes that’s hard to find, I understand. No one told me how to get where I am, I had to learn in a fairly difficult way. Now I try to communicate best I can to students and aspiring professionals what the qualifications are for the industry.

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Shouldn’t Riot have no problem finding the right people to hire

IronStylus New PortraitWe have a whole page of postings. We also visit a lot of places talking to prospective hires. It can be a challenge to find the right people who have the necessary skills in both technical areas and personal areas. “Soft skills” are super important to culture fit.

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Fixing the not-random factors of All Random All Mid

L4T3NCY New PortraitHeya guys ^_^/

This is definitely something that is on our radar. We also agree from a design perspective, that ARAM-only accounts manufacture a disingenuous experience, and aren’t in the true spirit of ARAM (the “R” stands for Random btw).

 

Much like the game modes on other maps, certain champs in ARAM trend to being more effective and separate into perceived ‘tiers’. The issue is the asymmetrical champ selection experience that ‘ARAM-only accounts’ create. In all other modes, when picking, you have an equal opportunity to choose champs you want as the other team does. ARAM-only accounts undermine this by giving a statistical advantage of hitting those ‘tier champs’ compared to other players. Here lies the crux of the unfairness.

Making ALL champions available on ARAM is likely to contribute a net positive to the overall sustainable health of ARAM as a game mode, but there are still many things to consider. There is so much energy and passion from you guys surrounding ARAM, we want to do justice to that spirit and not just pull a trigger without thinking.

Personally, I like the idea of making all champions available in ARAM games, and hope this is something we can eventually take a closer look at to find a healthy solution. ^_-

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If you unlock all Champions in ARAM, you can rework the reroll system

L4T3NCY New PortraitYou’re absolutely right here. The reroll system is one of many facets we would need to revisit before implementing something like this. We agree that simply switching on ALL champs in ARAM with it’s current shape, would not feel very good. If/when we do it, we want to do it right. ^.^o

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Is the ARAM pool locked because you want people to buy the Champions

Tiki New PortraitCan’t stress enough how much the above is not the case. I believe L4T3NCY was referring more specifically to how the re-roll system in its current state doesn’t necessarily work as well in a situation where all the champs are unlocked. Imagine 2 situations:

 



1. Current situation, player has a limited amount of champs available in ARAM (assuming it’s a non-ARAM only account). These are likely Champions they are familiar with or have been interested in at some point, even if they’re not great ARAM champs. Rerolls will consistently get them something they are likely to know.

2. Unlocked situation, player has access to all champs available in ARAM. The day this gets turned on, you’re likely to start playing with a slew of unfamiliar characters. This isn’t necessarily a bad thing in the long run, but it is very different. Your re-rolls mean something a little different now. Instead of rolling out of a champ you don’t want to play into another you’re familiar with, you’re much more likely to get another champ you don’t know which can feel pretty disruptive.

If we’re going to design something new, we want to keep that second player experience in mind. I think exposing players to more champs is probably a good thing in the long run, but not at the expense of a really poor initial experience. Don’t know the exact solution, but it likely revolves around revamping the re-roll system in some way to give players a little more control, or some alternative that meets the same need.

Anyway, as someone who plays a LOT of ARAM I’m pretty passionate, if we do ever do this I want us to approach it in a way that feels good for my fellow ARAM players 

 

 

Summary of community ideas to make ARAM better

Tiki New PortraitThanks for discussing all this folks! Here are some of my thoughts on what’s being talked about. Disclaimer that I’m not a designer, just an ARAM player with a vested interest in the mode 

Altering champ selection based on win rates: This could definitely make the core experience nicer in some ways (I could do with less Sona’s showing up in queue myself) but I feel like it’s no longer ARAM at that point. Much as I don’t love certain team comps, I still like the overall concept enough to roll the dice and see what I get. Also games are short enough that I’m OK with it. Would want to do some research (big shock) on this and talk with actual designers on the long term implications.

Hybrids of all champs available & only your champs available: Even though this would likely thin out the # of games where you or your opponents have a seriously OP comp I still think it wouldn’t address a core problem. Namely that when I see the enemy team with a super OP comp, can I trust it was because of randomness and we all had a fair chance at getting that comp? If I can’t, a part of me wants to rage and it ruins the experience overall.

Seeing opponents beforehand: Unfortunately I think this would make queue dodging worse. I suspect a significant # of players would dodge if they saw the enemy team ultimately rolled something better. 

Draft pick all random: Again, a pretty different mode, but an interesting one! I wonder if players would actually pick “bad” ARAM champs into the mix in hopes of the other team getting them, or if everyone would just pick OP champs and hope for more. I think the later one is more likely, but I think the former would be really cool.

I personally love the craziness that ARAM brings, even if I get my share of crappy team comps. I like being forced to play champs I don’t love, I like playing awesome ARAM champs, and mostly I like seeing variety. One thing ARAM can bring that is tough with SR & other modes is consistent variety. There are so many champs and I love the thought that they can all get some play.

Love the discussion on all this!

p.s. I love me some Yorick in ARAM 

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Is ARAM mode really giving me a random Champion each time

L4T3NCY New PortraitARAM’s champ select RNG is not ‘rigged’ by any means, but certain players are curtailing their champion pools to gain an unfair advantage in what should be a random (there’s that word again) experience. This is the cause of your Master Yi déjà vu.

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Punishing queue dodging in ARAM to get the pick you want

L4T3NCY New PortraitTo the general sentiment here RE queue-dodgers, we would like to do everything possible to discourage them. Harsher penalties are one valid path, but we should consider the reasons for queue-dodging too. Some players aresimply just gonna dodge until they roll a Lux. :/ But others might be doing it due to the perceived unfairness in champ pool selection, which is something we could realistically have a chance at mitigating.

As someone who used to play ARAM back when it was a custom game mode on SR and the rules were a “gentlemen’s agreement”, I feel like we’ve taken some Cloud Giant sized steps forward on queue dodging, but of course, could still improve on player’s experiences even more. We should all be spending less time in champ select, and more time on the Abyss! \>o<

TL;DR: 

Queue-dodging is a shortcut to Frowntown for everyone. Don’t go there guys. Everyone is frowning. Like this-> 🙁

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Why was the CD on Varus’s ult decreased on the PBE

Meddler New PortraitCouple of thoughts behind the change we’re testing:

1. As a non mobile ADC giving Varus a bit more safety/control via his ult being up more reliably’s an appropriate place to offer a bit of power.

 



2. Following on from that one of the prime reasons to pick Varus in a team comp is if you want crowd control from your marksman slot (with a focus on team disruption, and greater reliability as a counterinitiate, in contrast to Ashe’s strength as an initiator). Amplifying that strength’s therefore fits well with our goals of increasing clear strengths and weaknesses for champions to create further distinctions between them.

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Why not increase the size of the ult’s hitbox

Meddler New PortraitA higher hit rate, via width, was something we’ve talked about as well. Agree it feels like it’s missed a lot, it’s a pretty fast skillshot (2000) with a fair bit of width already (around 100 from memory, not certain off the top of the head) though so I’d be a little hesitant to make it too generous (would also reduce the current cases we see of chaining it with allied CC from your support which can add some interesting play to bot lane comps, CD reduction by contrast supports that).

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Will Varus get back the 5 MS he lost

Meddler New PortraitNo plans to do so at present. Wouldn’t rule it out of the question entirely, there are likely more interesting ways we can add power to him though.

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How much power does 5 ms usually translate to anyway

Meddler New PortraitFrom what we’ve seen it varies a lot depending on that champion’s kit and role. On some that’s not massively position dependent (not a primary target or heavily range constrained) it may not have too big an impact. ADCs on the other hand do tend to be pretty sensitive to MS changes. Vayne’s a particularly good example of that, with even small changes to her movement speed translating into noticeable power differences.

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In Vayne’s case, is it because it increases her movement radius under stealth

Meddler New PortraitNot completely certain, couple of things I’m inclined to attribute it to though. Vayne doesn’t have any way of projecting influence beyond her auto attack range. Combine that with the way ADC trading/CSing/harassment bot often skirts just around AA ranges (to the extent that a 550 AA versus a 575 AA is a really noticeable difference) and a small difference in MS can make the difference between being able to land or avoid a hit or not. Similarly kills or escapes will often come down to a single AA’s worth of health, often just barely landed or escaped.

Agree with your point that dashes/blinks should be expected to reduce such impacts. In Vayne’s case however I think the factors amplifying movement sensitivity are strong enough to outweigh the mobility she gets from her kit though.

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Why not buff the slow on his E then

Meddler New PortraitNo shortage of champs with slows. As above we’re seeing if there’s mileage in buffing something more distinct. On top of that a slow’s fairly or completely ineffective against a fair number of diving champs, in contrast to a root.

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Do you think Ashe actually could be buffed to a top-tier ADC pick

Meddler New PortraitI’m not sure top tier’s necessarily a good goal, that implies she’s potentially strong even against those that are meant to be good against her and therefore overwhelming against those weak to her (given she’s not as much of a baseline pick as some other champs). Sometimes picked in competitive play (with the right team comp/enemy team comp) on the other hand I could see being appropriate. We did see a little bit of that last year with some of the Ashe/Zyra lanes being run. Personal suspicion is she’s probably not too far off situational picks like that being valid, particularly with the decreased number of assassins in the competitive meta of most (all?) regions right now.

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Can you update the Death Recap info screen

Nome New PortraitIt’s a thorny question, and depends what you mean by updating it.

If you mean the multitude of bugs, then that’s going to take a lot of time, and might not be worth the effort. Rather, we need to go back and re-assess what the value of a good death recap is. We don’t want to go the combat log route; raw information is rarely actionable. Likewise, I’m not entirely clear on how the existing implementation is useful outside of letting you know how much magic or physical damage you took. We’ll probably update it at some point in the future once we knock out some competing UI features, but if we do, expect more of a redesign.

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Shouldn’t it be a priority for Riot to fix buggy features

Nome New PortraitTo make an analogy, consider an intricate mansion built with a poor foundation that’s resulting in structural issues. The citizens find it unsightly, but still recognize the value in the property. There’s a few ways for the city to address this–

  • A. Build a nice facade that hides the issues.
  • B. Carefully rebuild the foundation piece by piece without touching everything else.
  • C. Demolish and rebuild from the ground up.

Now, we’re fairly certain that we’ll want to do Option C at some point. This makes A and B much less attractive. But then there are other uses of resources, like building that new elementary school, cleaning up the city square, etc.

This is the situation we’re in–the bugs that plague death recap are deep. How deep? There’s already been a few attempts to fix it to no avail! We have to prioritize redoing the feature with all the other things we’re doing, and measure value that way. Maybe I’ll share some of our concepts for how death recap could work in the future. We’re definitely thinking about it 🙂

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Suggestion for Death Recap 2

Link to the suggestion thread.

Nome New PortraitSome critique here–

This is moving more towards the combat/death log approach, which I think is less compelling on the basis that it doesn’t provide actionable information. Players who die generally need one thing out of death recap–which is why they died. Unfortunately, why is never an easy answer, so most players tend to be OK with extracting the why out of the how. Combat logs explain thehow, but not the why. If we were to redesign, we’d want to head more towards why.

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How will you address the “why” you died in a Death Recap

Nome New PortraitI don’t want to delve too much into this, as it’s still a problem space under exploration. Some examples of why could be–
“You just took 2000 magic damage. You have very low MR.”
“That champion is several levels above you.”
“When you died, you still had both your Summoner cooldowns up.”
Note that not all of the why is directed at experienced players either.

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Tentative nerfs to Heal and Changes to Exhaust coming to PBE

Ricklessabandon New Portraitnot sure if this is relevant or not, but heal is potentially getting nerfed in the 4.13 patch (the changes should be in the next pbe update).

i also have a change to exhaust, but that’s it for summoner spells in 4.13 (and again, they’re candidates—like anything else on the pbe, they will be subject to change/removal).

 

 

Can we expect buffs to Soraka before her rework

Meddler New PortraitTesting at the moment to see if we can add one of the things from the rework to her current kit. Initial testing suggests it may not function well enough without other corresponding kit changes, looking into it though in case we can give her a bit of help sooner.

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Do you think Sejuani will become popular with the new items

Meddler New PortraitI think it’s safe to say she’s a strong pick in solo queue with the Quill Coat/Ancient Golem changes. Not sure that necessarily translates to FOTM though, Amumu and Maokai may be favored picks over her still if you want a tanky jungler that can build heavy defense.

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Why does it cost 2600 RP to switch to East Coast Servers

Marowe New Portrait I’m sorry I jumped into this thread without saying much; I wanted to quell some confusion surrounding the suggestion to contact Player Support for a free transfer. 

I understand why you’re frustrated. I played with east coast ping for a couple of years before moving to the west coast. Understanding doesn’t help though, and I’m sorry that I can’t do more for everyone here.

LAN doesn’t support english as a language option and it isn’t intended to be the long-term solution for connectivity issues that east coast players are facing. We’re not ready to say too much about the plans for the east coast at the moment, and I’m not really the one equipped to talk about it. You can keep an eye out for updates like this one in the future:

http://forums.na.leagueoflegends.com…92229#45392229

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If you have any questions, feel free to ask me at @NoL_Chefo or e-mail me at nolchefo@gmail.com.

 

 

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Summary

 Riot is cracking down on 3rd party skin-selling websites and making codes unredeemable past July 23rd. Also, Ricklessabandon is on the community forums discussing the upcoming PBE changes to Muramana (and Manamune). IronStylus talks VU directions for Cho’Gath, Kassadin, Warwick, Pantheon and Zilean and explains why the Champion release schedule has been so inconsistent lately. Finally, in the Single Posts collection is a response to the “Featured Matches” presented on the client’s landing page and what LeBlanc’s poor win rate across ELO ranges can (or can’t) tell us about balance.

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Draggles New PortraitGetting scammed sucks. Unfortunately the internet is full of shady people who take advantage of others. At Riot we strive to protect players from these scammers, and recently we’ve noticed an increase in fraud around 3rd party skin sites and skin reselling. 



These sites promise limited edition skins for League of Legends, when in reality they acquire codes illegitimately and exploit players. They charge excessive prices (we found one skin for over $1,000!) and sometimes take payment and never provide the content. You can’t predict the outcome, and no purchase is ever guaranteed regardless of what the seller says. To make matters worse these services typically use bots. Bots are lame to play with and chew up additional server bandwidth, negatively impacting everyone.

Riot is taking action against these scammers at the source. We are working with multiple payment processors to inform them of the situation and recommend they no longer process fraudulent payments from these sites. Additionally we will be deactivating all previously issued skin codes starting today. If you have a skin code that you acquired legitimately please send a request to Player Support and include proof of ownership. We’d be happy to help redeem the content to your account, but please note after 07/23/14 we will no longer be redeeming codes for any reason. 

For more information about codes and how to send Player Support a request, check out our code cards FAQ.

Followup: Player Support will not be retroactively removing content and skins that have already been redeemed prior to this announcement.

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Yuka New PortraitHi iMonox!


We won’t be deactivating skins that you’ve already redeemed on your account using a code. What it means is that we’ll be deactivating all codes that currently exist. So anything that hasn’t been redeemed yet cannot be redeemed using the code in the normal way.

If you’ve recently attended an event and received a skin code from a Rioter, and you haven’t had a chance to redeem it yet, you can contact support. They will need to see proof that you own the code card (e.g. a photograph).

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Yuka New PortraitAny skins you have will not be removed from your account.

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Can I still redeem codes I have left

Yuka New PortraitGo try the codes in the client – if they don’t work, contact support and send them a photo of your codes with your summoner name written next to them. 

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How will skin code cards issued at events work

Yuka New PortraitCards issued at future events will have a set amount of days before they expire. (usually 5-7 days)

We are also experimenting with a digital alternative, which was trialed at Japan Expo in Paris last weekend.

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Why are you disabling working skin codes

Boompje New PortraitUnfortunately, many of them were obtained in ways we don’t want them to be obtained, as well as that a high amount of those transactions that happened “on the internet” are very shady, and often result in people losing their money without getting the skin they bought.

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How will you inform everyone of these changes

Yuka New PortraitHi Mooncloud!

A lot of our content creators have previously advertised skin shops in the past – we’re hoping that they will help spread the word via their channels. There’s also currently a thread on Reddit, and multiple Rioters are spreading the word on Twitter.

Most of these skin shops will be shutting down now as well. As was mentioned in the main post, we are also working with online payment processors to block payments going to 3rd party skin shops.

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What should I do if I have content that needs redeeming

Hollymonster New PortraitYou need to write in to get them redeemed now. We won’t process anymore of these after the 23rd as per the announcement.

Just make sure you submit the physical cards with a piece of paper and your Summoner name/Username so we can get your content asap.

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Offtopic How do you plan to resolve DDOS drophacks

Boompje New PortraitWe are very much aware of drop hacks and DDoSes and have regular meetings and activities to try and decrease the impact and amount of them. Unfortunately, this is not a trivial problem to solve  but I can tell you that we are working rather hard on this topic!

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Ricklessabandon New Portraithi friends~

tl;dr is that i’ve got some changes to muramana on the pbe and i’d love feedback for it! the most recent version of the changes should be in this post, along with a history of updates and a ‘frequently asked questions’ section. please leave any questions, comments, or concerns (on either the changes or this format for gathering feedback) in the comments section below!

and maybe it goes without saying, but these are all experimental and therefore highly subject to change! things like tuning, damage type, costs, etc could all be completely different by the time this ships (if any of it even ships at all)!

thanks in advance!

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this will temporarily be off of the pbe while we prepare the 4.12 patch

 

Muramana[added] passive :: gains +10 bonus true damage (increased by 2% of maximum Mana if any number of azure stacks are active). also gain 1% attack speed for every stack of azure active.

[remade] active :: spend 60 mana to gain 10 stacks of azure, then doubles the current mana cost and stack gain of this active. azure has a fixed duration of 9 seconds, and when it expires this active resets its mana cost and stack gain and then goes on cooldown (30 second cooldown).

edit: to clarify, the passive mana-to-ad conversion from ‘awe’ is unchanged!

 

update! (2014.07.10 @ 03:06)

okay, got some really helpful stuff from the first iteration! i’m going to go forward with the build path changes to manamune in the 4.12 patch, and continue explorations with various muramana actives. the next version should hit the pbe sometime after 4.12 goes live. until then, i’ve updated the item details above.

also, there were several bugs affecting tear, manamune, and muramana due to a one-time refactor we did that should all be worked out. just need to get the new tooltips in after 4.12 ships and then things should look much more normal!

oh! one last thing… i did want to mention that i’ve been reading every comment posted here as well as any tweets that mention me and a handful of forum/reddit threads. i haven’t had time to directly respond to them unfortunately, but they’re definitely read and count for something!

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Frequently Asked Questions (last updated 2014.07.03 @ 15:05)

Q) why?

A) this turns out to be a fairly large question as there are a lot of reasons—the goal set for the changes hit a lot of things we’re hoping to explore/accomplish. to get the gist of it out up front, we want to create/improve the build foundations for mana-based champions. not just current kits that we ‘gate’ with mana, but also for a future in which we want to make mana more enjoyable/exciting (instead of it being like rationing out money to purchase food, imagine it being more like how to spend tokens at an arcade). some champions do this well on their own, but since a champion’s mana paradigm isn’t necessarily consistent across all kits there’s value in exploring systemic solutions to making mana much more interesting and meaningful.

of course, the ‘now’ is super important, so we’re doing this a piece at a time by exploring new ways to gain and spend mana in addition to your champion’s kit (which should already have awesome things like jayce’s shock blast through acceleration gate). the reason muramana is a candidate for this in addition to being a mana item is due to some issues with its current implementation (e.g., the item is most powerful when you don’t spend mana, but the reason a champion buys this is because they have really good ways to spend mana and they want to do that!) and because the item could stand to have more synergy/scaling with other items given its identity as a ‘late game’ item.

Q) which champions are intended to benefit from a change like this?

A) champions that care about heavily scaling their basic attacks throughout the game, and can also do cool things with their own abilities when they get a lot of mana. more specifically, this would apply to ezreal, corki, sivir, irelia, jayce, kog’maw, et al.

Q) what about current manamune/muramana users not in the above?

A) champions that tend to buy only one or two offensive items, and/or rely very heavily on spells (in relation to their reliance on basic attacks) likely won’t appreciate the attack speed and are more guarded about their mana usage. that leaves champions like urgot and yorick feeling a little awkward about the changes as a whole. that said, the build path change, extra attack damage, and new on-hit damage should theoretically help them out more over the course of the game than the muramana on live. as an urgot player that works next to a yorick player, this is definitely something we’re watching.

Q) what can apply the true damage?

A) basic attacks, single-target spells that deal physical damage, and any other abilities that applies on-hit effects. this is more or less the same as live muramana, but notably excludes single-target spells that deal magic damage (e.g., ryze’s overload or syndra’s unleashed power). this is primarily a preventative measure to keep abuse cases (like adding 420 true damage to syndra’s ult) from restricting the other tuning levers we want to use to make sure the item feels good on champions that should like buying muramana for everything it does. we know there are collateral effects to this (such as jayce’s thundering blow no longer triggering the effect) so we’ll be watching for data related to those specific cases to make sure things are still just fine for those cases.

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IronStylus New PortraitHi. I wanted to try out the new function that should be listed below this box that says “show as flat” and see how the system works. I wanted to see if a conversation could be had using either or both of the views.

While we’re here! we’ll have a general ChampUp pow-wow. All casual, this is mainly just to test, but if you have any questions/ideas/feedback we can also jam on those. I’ll be on here for a little bit then head to bed. I’ll check the thread in the morning also.

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Will Mundo be getting a Visual Update

IronStylus New PortraitWelp, I think he’s just a straight up fidelity update. I don’t think he’s slated for any time too soon, but at least I don’t think there’s a lot of challenge in just.. Mundo’ing up Mundo. Yeah, there’s just a lot of technical stuff I’d love to do with him. Bring him up to the goofy brute that he should be.

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What about Pantheon

IronStylus New PortraitHe’s sorta just a dude from 300 at this point. I’d really like to find a way to tie him more thematically into Targon. That’ll take some exploration though.

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Can Zilean be updated so he looks like a real time wizard

IronStylus New PortraitYeah.. the “old guy” fantasy is a hard one to capture. I think there might have to be something in there that moves him more into the “cool mage” sorta area. It’s fine being wise and older, but he’s not quite up there with characters like Captain Picard, Professor X, Sauramon, Magneto, or other more aged gents of wisdom and badassery, Might have to dial him just a bit younger or just make him feel a bit more fit, not so much afro-santa guy..

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Is Cho’Gath still being looked into for a Visual Update

Context: IronStylus mentioned awhile ago he was interested in updating Cho’Gath’s visuals. You can read the discussion here.

IronStylus New PortraitWell, we haven’t really even started concepting Cho, but he’ll have some pre-production work started on him soon. I still take the stance that I want him to be like a Kaiju of the Void. Whatever it entails to get that I’m up for! We have to scope it out though. That’s a big team discussion.

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Will Warwick have an evolving model in his VU

IronStylus New PortraitI’m not sure how much we’ll do with scaling or model changing in his normal state, though I’d like to see at least some body change. That’s just my opinion though! We haven’t yet full explored the ideas.

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Why hasn’t Kassadin still received a VU

IronStylus New PortraitHmm.. quoting in this thing is a bit awkward, gunna talk to the team about that.

Yeah, there’s a lot of discussion around Kassadin. For one, we could sorta just plug a new model onto him, but.. is that enough? Technically we’re not really happy with where he’s at in a number of places, especially animation. So the discussion is centered around scope. Since he floats it’s sort of a unique situation. It’d be REALLY nice to have a full fledged VU of him, but, is that too large of a production? Lots of questions being asked. That’s sort of what’s making up the discussion.

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Is there a list of Champions needing texture updates

IronStylus New PortraitNot really a list per se, more of just a general understanding that a lot of our textures need balancing. Right now there’s no one committed to doing TU’s 100%, my hope though would at some point to have a concentrated effort to adjust those textures.

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Why have we still heard nothing about the next Champion

IronStylus New PortraitIndeed, things have slowed down a bit. I’m not 100% up on the skinny, as you said I don’t work on the team really, but I think there’s a general desire to make sure things are super cohesive when a new champion comes out. I think that can take additional bake time. Aside from that I’m not privy to the nitty gritty of production, but I think one of the reasons Relaunch has become a bit more consistent is to help out the churning of new content. In some cases are team is pretty much making a new champion. My feeling is that things will always sort of be a hybrid of champions, skins and now relaunches as being integral parts of content packages.

I understand though. Champions are the biggest hype potential in terms of content, and can really have amazing promotional content, community discussion, and general excitement surround their build up and release. The champion release is still our biggest bang I feel. It feels like something huge is being added to the game, which it is.

For me personally, I miss some of the old days of slightly faster cadence, but I trust that the guys over on the Champion Team know what’s up and are fully aware of what their goals and deliverables are, and how fast those things should be put out.

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Give players updates on features Riot is currently working on

 

Pros:
– less overbumped threads about bugs
– people could track progress of any work
– Maybe RIOT could have an indicator about things that they began working on, but hasn’t finished it for a while, so they could pick up lost “threads” faster

Cons:
– I’m PRETTY sure that disappointed players would complain a lot about ongoing things they don’t consider important, while other things are not prioritized

Pros again:
– With this, RIOT could have a good feedback about what they should work on first

Cons again:
– There will always be people who are dissatisfied with the current priority list

 

Boompje New PortraitSo another big point I’d like to add to that:

We have a lot of stuff in development at any time, and by far not everything makes it to release. A few big and known examples are Magma Chamber or the Mac client (back in 2011). We really try not to raise any false expectations.

 

Another thing, although it’s easier to solve but not trivial, is a lack of context. Many people don’t know that it can easily take us way over a year for just 1 champion in development. The way we think about skins has also changed. When I just started playing league (back in 2009), skins were mostly recolours or just a small change in the skin. Nowadays, the skins are really a way higher quality.

Changing a feature from a technical point of view is also a lot more complicated than just.. assign it to an engineer and have it changed the next day. We have a ton of stuff all going on at the same time, so that list would also be very, very huge. And not everything will be going to release. Not at all.

Then another point to consider is that players may not know the context. Not everyone will understand that making a skin takes more than a few days of work, or that rewriting a large piece of software (hello Client!, see PBE news!) also is a huge piece of work, that also has implications on back-end and server workings.

For me, I’d feel a big blocker for doing this would be raising false expectations, or players having expectations that we in the end don’t meet. Also think of it from an Ultimate Skin point of view. PulseFire Ezreal and Spirit Guard Udyr are awesome skins, and the release events were a super nice experience. But it would be a lot more boring for players if they would be aware of how those skins were coming along in the moments before release.

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Can we see “Featured Matches” instead of LCS banners on the landing page

zerocontext: TL;DR: We definitely know some players care strongly about the Featured Matches on the current client landing page, and we’re still working on the experience!

Okay, here’s our general design philosophy behind how we want to surface content (both on the landing page and elsewhere, like the website): We want all players to have an easy and intuitive way of finding the experiences that they enjoy, which could of course include Featured Matches.

One complication is that only a slim percentage of players frequently interact with Featured Matches, which doesn’t mesh well with how much visual space we give to them at present (which we could be devoting to other exciting features). So, we think a happy medium can exist in which players who docare about spectating high-skill matches have an easy way to do so, while players who care more about other experiences don’t face the distraction of an über-prominent Featured Matches area on the landing page. Again, we’re still exploring how this experience might work in the new design.

We think the new client landing page that’s heading to PBE (and the new tech supporting it) will be flexible enough to allow us to do a better job of serving up more experiences that more players find relevant. It’ll take us a bit of time to fine-tune our approach, though, so I hope you’ll bear with us… and continue giving us regular feedback as we work to improve the experience. Fortunately, you won’t have long to wait before you can start judging for yourself the success of our initial efforts! 🙂

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LeBlanc performs poorly in both low and high ELO

Apothis New PortraitI think LeBlanc’s low win rate and popularity in LCS is likely an example of high skill floor and high skill cap. I definitely wouldn’t say that LeBlanc is a weak champion because her win rate is below 50%. I think you’re right, that most players playing LeBlanc haven’t played the champion enough to get the most out of her. However, players that ARE very good at the champion make her very threatening.

An interesting way of thinking about this would be to look at how win rate for a champion changed with the number of games played with that champion. With LeBlanc, you might see that, once players had played 100 or so games, their win rate with LeBlanc is ~70% (controlling for ELO). On the other hand, once players had played 100 or so games with Garen, the win rate might only increase to 55%.

Garen’s average win rate might be higher and his win rate might be higher if you’ve only played 5-10 games with him (vs. LB), but I wouldn’t immediately conclude he was the stronger champ. For a player without much experience with either champ trying to optimize for a single game, maybe Garen is a better choice. But for a player thinking about choosing a champ to climb ranked with (or a pro-team figuring out a comp) maybe LB is stronger. What do you think?

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Summary

 Lead Champion designer Meddler continues his discussion on upcoming quality-of-life changes to Urgot from yesterday and evaluates some community suggestions regarding the fugly crab of the League.

 After the recent popularity of AFK/Leaver system threads on Reddit, Lead Social System designer Lyte adresses the issue and explains what changes will be made in the future so 4v5 scenarios aren’t hopeless.

 Following the recent forecast on better chat systems in League, Metasystem addresses feedback from a couple of chat room community managers.

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Why wait for Patch 4

Meddler New PortraitFew reasons:

1. These haven’t been tested yet
2. This isn’t necessarily a final change list, odds are high that more will be added and/or something will get removed
3. We’re currently focusing on things that will go into the patch or patches that the upcoming regionals, and then worlds, will be played on. As a result our priority when it comes to game balance/champion updates right now is to work on champions that are either too dominant and played all the time or close, but not quite, effective enough and just need a small amount of help.


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Suggestion Let Acid Hunter Q proc on-hit effects.

Meddler New PortraitAllowing on hit effects on Acid Hunters would be a pretty sizeable power spike that I suspect would make Triforce or IBG mandatory, not just an option. As a result I’d like to investigate other ways of compensating for Muramana changes if needed.

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Feedback from an Urgot player

TL;DR

  • I play the 5 Least Picked Champions in Ranked SoloQ NA.

  • I have experience playing Urgot Top, Mid, Jungle, Support, and Marksman at a Diamond 4/3 level with a 56% Win-Rate across 43 Games on this account.

  • The Q change is an direct nerf to Support and Jungle Urgot

  • The Q change is an overall nerf to Top Lane Urgot in ideal yet realistic situations.

  • The Q change is a potential buff to Mid Lane Urgot and Marksman Urgot when facing Lane Bullies, but Mana Costs are less of an issue on Mid Lane Urgot.

  • The missile speed change and R cooldown/mana buffs seem like safe changes which should help Urgot in all roles without giving him too much power.

  • The proposed W changes to scale with AD would be hard to balance as it would be a huge buff to Glass Cannon ~400 AD Mid and Marksman Urgot while being less useful on Top, Support, and Jungle Urgot which rarely build more than 200 bonus AD.

  • The proposed W changes to scale with MP would be a buff to Urgot in all lanes as he builds some form of mana (Manamune/Frozen Heart) as part of his Core Item Build.

 

Meddler New PortraitNice post, appreciate the rationale provided for each statement (just quoting the TLDR here since it’s a really long quote otherwise). To respond to a couple of specific things:

Q last hitting’s often not necessary, agreed. It is however something Urgot sometimes needs to fall back on against ranged opponents unless he’s really dominating the lane throughout and that’s one of the cases we’d like to add some power to him. It’s also possible the cost increase won’t be necessary and we’ll be able to get away with just offering the half refund on kill, my suspicion is it’ll probably be a needed change however hence the first version to go into testing’s going to try it out.

Range on the rank 1 ult does feel pretty poor, no argument, and the reduction to it made a while back was basically a band aid fix due to the problems the ult creates in lane in particular. Might be possible to at least synch it to his attack range, will give that a look, unfortunately this is a case where we need to rework the spell to really address the feel bad aspect of it.

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Could you increase Urgot’s AA range or his base mana stats

Meddler New PortraitSomething I’d like to avoid is turning Urgot into a standard ADC and a substantial AA range buff, with other adjustments to compensate, would push him pretty far down that road. Base mana buffs on the other hand are a possibility, though current inclination is to give him ways to regain mana instead or be rewarded more for building mana/regen.

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Suggestion Allow Urgot to cast his W while ulting

Meddler New PortraitHmm, being able to cast W mid ult seems pretty reasonable. Thanks for the suggestion, I’ll throw that onto the list of possibilities to test for the second change list.

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Leave the AP Ratio on his W, it would just be an extra

Meddler New PortraitI admit I can’t see Urgot picking up AP really apart from the occasional bit from Baron, IBG/Triforce, buffs from allies etc. Don’t see any noticeable issues with leaving the AP ratio there as well if we do end up adding a mana ratio however, so inclined to do so, even if it’s only appreciated by those going for pretty unusual builds occasionally.

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What is wrong with having Triforce or IBG a mandatory item

Meddler New PortraitUrgot’s got some interesting build choices at the moment, based on how well you’re doing the enemy team and your own playstyle that I’d like to preserve. Making one item mandatory removes that to a substantial degree, especially if it’s a first build, expensive item. Additionally I’m also concerned about the about of extra damage that adds to his EQQQ combo which is not where we want to add power.

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Could you please remove the forced camera shift from his ultimate

Meddler New PortraitThat seems worth experimenting with. Other Urgot players – what’s your take on the camera reposition?

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Misconcepctions about Leavers

Lyte New PortraitThere’s been a lot of discussion recently about Leavers/AFKs, and I wanted to jump in and just dump some thoughts. We absolutely agree with players, games shouldn’t start when a player fails to connect. We also agree that 4v5s in general are pretty terrible experiences, but there’s starting to be a lot of misquoting and misunderstandings going around the forums.



Some players are saying that we wouldn’t do any of the proposed “obvious” solutions like restarting a match or some type of heavy penalty queue because of potential abuse. This is false. When we talk about “Prisoner’s Island” and separating playerbases or forcing players to play alternative queues with long queue times, we are specifically talking about Prisoner’s Island not working well with nuanced, subjective behaviors like whether a player was toxic; this is completely different than a binary behavior like whether a player left a game or not. We’re completely fine with some sort of solution that restarts the match or allows an early restart/surrender if there’s a player that fails to connect to the game, or DCs in the first few minutes. However, we’re not OK with allowing players to leave very late in games and still allow players to all abandon the match with no penalties. These are two very different scenarios. Most games (even DOTA2) still record stats/hand out harsh penalties if you leave after 5 minutes. 

For awhile, there was a team (not Player Behavior) at Riot was working on this feature, but they were taken off to work on some other important issues.

To give you some more insight behind the scenes, the Player Behavior team has been working on Team Builder for awhile, and we still have a few things lined up; for example, we have finished designs that we need to implement for Honor to make the system feature complete, and we were also responsible for revamping the Tribunal to make it globally available while also improving some of the known flaws of the system. It’s a lot of stuff, and they aren’t trivial features so it takes awhile to implement systems that function at the scale League operates at.

However, we’ve known about Leavers/AFK issues in League for awhile, and have wanted to address it as soon as we can, in-between the larger projects above. Most teams have a big project they are focused on, but also work on “small scope” improvements to the game whenever they can; for example, the Player Behavior team recently worked on an improvement to matchmaking that will drop queue times for high MMR players to ~5 minutes instead of ~30-45 minutes or more–this feature is currently running in Team Builder so if you’re high MMR, test it out and give us feedback. If it works well, we’d love to bring it to other queues. We also took some time off Team Builder to look into map issues between Blue/Purple and did a few fixes there to get it into a better state. We worked on these problems ahead of Leavers/AFKs because at the end of the day, they affected a lot more players.

When we look at Leavers/AFKs, we have to look at a few things. As a baseline, how often do Leavers/AFKs happen in games? What about in different queues? What you see is that even with a 5% rate of Leavers/AFKs in games globally across the world, you’ll still have players who see up to 50, 60, 70, even 80% of their games have Leavers/AFKs. That’s simply statistics and unlucky streaks–with millions of players playing the game, you actually have thousands (even tens of thousands) of players with streaks of games with Leavers/AFKs in all of them. But, globally, the Leaver/AFK rates in League is acceptable (but could be better). In fact, if you look at other MOBAs, you generally find similar Leaver/AFK rates and their forums also have a large number of players complaining about Leavers/AFKs. Feel free to do a poll, or run statistics on the last 10 matches of every player on the forums or game and see what the leave rates are–they will probably surprise most players even though they probably could be better still.

What’s interesting is that if you look at Leaver/AFK data, you can see that a % of the Leaves/AFKs are due to hardware issues, ISP issues, or other issues outside of the game’s control. There’s nothing Riot (or designers in general at any studio) can do to solve those issues. For these types of “external” issues, we’d like to allow players to reconnect or restart matches if a player fails to connect at the start of a game. But, we won’t be allowing full resets or restarts if a player “fails to connect” 45 minutes into a match for example.

There’s also always room for improvement for Leavers/AFKs that are intentional (the rage quitter). We’d like to improve the LeaverBuster system to be a lot more harsh to these players; there’s a few ideas on the table (including forcing them to play with other leavers, reduced IP per game, and other strong penalties like that). Hopefully, this gives you more info on what’s going on at Riot regarding Leavers/AFKs, and why it’s work that we do want to do. At some point, I’d love to go over the Leaver/AFK data in-depth for League of Legends and talk about how each feature of LeaverBuster affected the numbers, but that’ll have to be when I’m not at home typing away.

(Apologies on the brain dump)

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TLDR PortraitTL;DR – The reason Riot doesn’t just implement any system designed to solve AFK-ing / leaving matches is not because of abuse cases, but because many of the popular suggestions don’t really solve the issue. On the pipeline for the Player Behavior team are numerous updates to the Honor system that would make it feature-complete, a queue timer of only 5 minutes instead of 30-45 for dodging a match if you have high MMR, and fixing the Purple/Blue side imbalances.

 Leavers/AFK-ers constitute about 5% of the community, but even that number leads to some players experiencing 4v5s 8 times out of 10. Globally, the rates of leavers/AFK-ers in League are acceptable (no they’re not, but it’s what Lyte claims). The majority of leaver/afk-scenarios occur due to hardware or ISP (internet-service-provider) issues, etc., things that are out of Riot’s area of control.

 League’s Leaverbuster system will be a lot more strict to leavers in the future and will distribute harsher penalties.

 

 

Would the updated Leaverbuster be observing for trends

Lyte New PortraitThis is where we have to figure out that tight line between what’s an intentional leave, versus what’s that occasional DC due to a hardware or ISP issue (or random hurricane). I think at the end of the day, our data is much better than when LeaverBuster was originally implemented, so we can better identify patterns. Rest assured, I don’t think you’ll be impacted.

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Why haven’t early 4v5 match restarts been implemented yet

Lyte New PortraitThat question is difficult because there’s no good answer. For example, players really wanted the Player Behavior team to work on Team Builder, matchmaking, penalty systems, Honor, Tribunal, Team Builder Ranked, Team Builder Co-op vs AI… lots of really cool, awesome features. At the end of the day, we can’t do everything at the same time. We have to prioritize, and try to figure out what’s the biggest impact feature at any given point in time.

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Feedback from a LoL community member manager

  • Chatrooms need to be variable in size. While a chatroom with 50 people just chatting with each other is spammed with lots of text, a chatroom to find people to play with (like the one we use in the LdG) could easily stand 500 people. Especially at peak hours, a limit to 200 members is just not enough for bigger communities.

 

We can and will raise the channel caps over time, as requested here and by many others. We’ll just have to make sure that any new tools and improvements are there to improve the usability – both for being a participant and a moderator.

 

  • Chatrooms need basic moderation tools. The owner (and chosen moderators) has to be able to kick and ban people temporarily and permanently from the chatroom. These bans have to be revoceable.

 

There’s a couple of different ways we can approach this but generally the ability to control who stays and goes (or control who is allowed to join in the first place) is a very basic necessity. This is also where we get started on the improvements. Ban lists might not be the best or the only solution as they’re easy enough to work around but the ease of community self-management is key.

 

  • It would be good to be able to decide whether a chatroom is open for everyone or just for people you invite.

 

We quite agree. Having both in the end would be preferable.

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Feedback from the Community Manager of The Gentlemen's Club chat room

Chat Room Visibility – In their current state, chat rooms are strictly word of mouth. Promote their use in various ways. A searchable list of chat rooms would be a good start, with one-click-buttons for joining or reading the chat room profile. You could also allow players to list their favorite chat rooms as part of their information on post game screens, as a sort of “guild tag”.

 

Being able to discover chatrooms, and be discovered if you so choose does sound pretty important! We have some ideas about how we’d like to approach this but as it’s not the first thing to be worked on we’ll talk about the specifics a bit later.

This is something that we quite want to get to as soon as we’ve first nailed the most essential functionality. Being able to discover, and be discovered

 

Chat Room LFG – A LFG/private game creation tool. Allow users to create community games that are automatically broadcast in the chat room, with one-click-join functionality for other players.

 

This is quite high on our own list of things to get to as well.

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Context: Summoner LMC Froyo has created a visual representation for a complete redesign of LoL, from client, to loading screens, even gameplay! Here’s a comprehensive infographic.

 

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Saberprivateer New PortraitHi LMC Froyo,

Thanks for your post! It is clear you put a lot of time and passion into your design. Since I’m on the Unlock team I’ll keep my comments focused to that area.

 



1) I like having a button on the main page that says “On Sale”. One of the first things many players do when they log-in is check the store to see what is on sale. I don’t want to be your face but can imagine this streamlining that process for those players interested with a summarized pop-up.

2) Gifting has some issues. While I’m a lonely summoner with only a few friends I know there are some with MANY. Having a list will help find that special someone.

3) I like the icons in step 2. In fact, we’ve been working on updating some of the icons in the store to make it easier for players to quickly identify a purchase. Have you seen those chevrons for battle boosts? Its a start.

Thanks for the ideas!

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Reminder More interactive forums are currently in testing

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We’re working on an improvement of the forums from many different aspects! The Community Beta it is called I believe right now. We have it for PBE and a test version is up as well!

http://community.pbe.leagueoflegends.com

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